I'm honestly thinking of getting the Vision Pro

[bkkcanuck8]

So I'm thinking of some stuff I'll do with my Vision Pro if I get it, and I got a list so far:

• It'll become my Mac's desktop display. Currently my display is an Acer Nitro 27 inch monitor. It's 1440p144hz and pretty decent, but this monitor is clearly meant for games and sometimes has had issues on macOS. Plus it's an IPS monitor, while the Vision Pro is OLED. I'd essentially be wearing a Pro Display XDR on my face while not paying the insane costs of the Pro Display XDR, and not having to remove my existing monitor. Plus that frees up a HDMI port on my monitor to plug in something else, and I wouldn't have to hotswap the cable between devices anymore.
• My own personal theater. A personal IMAX theater in my bedroom. Would be even better if we get confirmation we can watch 3D movies from it. I hope Bigscreen gets a visionOS port so I wouldn't need to use my Quest 2 for that anymore
• It's essentially replacing my iPad. I really, really, really do not like iPadOS and have been using iPads less and less over the years, and the final nail was when I got my 14 inch Macbook Pro that was just better than anything the iPads could offer me, so I have no interest in replacing my aging 8th gen iPad. The Vision Pro while it's battery isn't high, tbh my iPad's wasn't high either, so good on me. I'd just be able to do a lot more with a Vision Pro than an iPad Pro
• We have confirmation Rec Room is coming to visionOS, so there's the possibility VRChat does too. if it does, the Vision Pro would be a preferable headset for VRChat, since AR passthrough on it is better, the hardware on it is better, the display is better, the tracking is better, just all around better.
• DJay is getting a visionOS port, so having my own full virtual turntable will be fun
• First person vlogging. Those cameras would be very useful for me to do POV filming without every having to show my face

The Vision cannot replace a good monitor as even at it's best it will be like working through an optimized version of Remote Desktop over wifi with limited bandwidth.
The rest is probably fine. I actually hope that even if it is locked down (i.e. apps from app store) that they still have the ability to have a terminal etc. and that it can be used for software development while using it without having to use the mac itself.... or it will run that cut down macos that is rumoured to be for the iPad and within macOS you can load Mac software the same way as Mac (basically light version of MacOS VM which would use the underlying Vision OS version of Darwin).

 

[PBG4 Dude]

The Vision cannot replace a good monitor as even at it's best it will be like working through an optimized version of Remote Desktop over wifi with limited bandwidth.
The rest is probably fine. I actually hope that even if it is locked down (i.e. apps from app store) that they still have the ability to have a terminal etc. and that it can be used for software development while using it without having to use the mac itself.... or it will run that cut down macos that is rumoured to be for the iPad and within macOS you can load Mac software the same way as Mac (basically light version of MacOS VM which would use the underlying Vision OS version of Darwin).

Apple has Sidecar tech as well for sharing screens with iPads.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

The Vision cannot replace a good monitor as even at it's best it will be like working through an optimized version of Remote Desktop over wifi with limited bandwidth.

You've never seen Guy Godin's Virtual Desktop in action then.

The software for a HMD to replace a good monitor has been around for a while. It's just the headsets to actually replace a good monitor cost $8000...until now. So for me, a Vision Pro would definitely be that replacement, especially since it means I can take said display with me without any setup. I just bring the Macbook Pro and the Vision Pro and boom I got a portable 4K display.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

You've never seen Guy Godin's Virtual Desktop in action then.

The software for a HMD to replace a good monitor has been around for a while. It's just the headsets to actually replace a good monitor cost $8000...until now. So for me, a Vision Pro would definitely be that replacement, especially since it means I can take said display with me without any setup. I just bring the Macbook Pro and the Vision Pro and boom I got a portable 4K display.

It can be the replacement for 4K displays but not if there is a high framerate that is using significant bandwidth.

 

[kkee]

It can be the replacement for 4K displays but not if there is a high framerate that is using significant bandwidth.

Probably typing in Word document is fine, or coding, or doing complex spreadsheets from 6 different windows, but playing game like Horizon directly from Mac to VisionPro would not be advised.

 

[wrcousert]

Probably typing in Word document is fine, or coding, or doing complex spreadsheets from 6 different windows, but playing game like Horizon directly from Mac to VisionPro would not be advised.

I hope once the developers start playing with it, that they'll be able to comment on stuff like this, assuming that they aren't required to sign NDA's first.

 

[AL2TEACH]

The days of using TVs for broadcast television are over.

that's what they want you to think so they can charge you what use to be free

 

[throAU]

Originally I was thinking of waiting for the consumer model Vision Pro since $3500 for a first gen headset is absolutely insane, but then I started thinking.

See, a little backstory: I love VR. If you've followed me from my posts in all the rumor articles I was explaining my VR background and things about the VR industry, so I'm one of the only people in this forum who was excited about an Apple HMD even if it was expensive.

I have a Quest 2 as my headset, but to be fully honest...the Quest 2 is awful. AR Passthrough is black and white and low quality since it was made for VR in mind and it's passthrough is meant for utility so you could step out of your playspace for a moment to do something without taking the headset off. The Quest 3 and Pro have proper passthrough but even then it's not ideal as the image quality is horrible. And that's the biggest issue with the Quest HMDs: The image quality. For games, it's perfect, but for any other kind of media consumption or even doing work on it, it's too poor. It's why people pretty much only use the Quest as a gaming headset.

Which brings me to why I'm genuinely thinking of getting the Vision Pro: To replace my iPad. You see, the iPad used to be my favorite Apple product since the iPad 2. I used it constantly and always, sometimes over my PC. But recently Apple's kinda caused the iPad to languish. iPadOS has been the second banana in terms of OS features, always getting last year's iOS features, and lately I've been using my iPad less and less. Then last year I got a 14 inch Macbook Pro, and that had essentially replaced all my iPad's functions since the display and OS is better than my iPad's.

I was thinking of getting an iPad Pro, used or new...but then I had a thought: Why should I get a iPad I would barely use, potentially spending over a thousand dollars, when I could get the Vision Pro, a new OS with a new control layout that I love, that I could do more with than an iPad, and could also replace my Quest 2 for non-gaming stuff. I barely use my iPad anymore, pretty much only using it in the bathroom and on the bed. But seeing the Vision Pro, I can see using it a lot more than my iPad, since I don't have to carry a tablet with me. I just wear the headset and I have the OS with me.

And that's the big thing that has my attention on the headset: The display. A 4K Micro-OLED display with me that's easily transportable. Essentially a mini Pro Display XDR for less the cost. The content consumption I can do with this thing would be incredible, to the point it could potentially replace my traditional monitor with how good it is

I'll have to try it on at the Apple Store in January before I make the decision, and if I do get it, I'd probably have to do monthly payments using my Apple Card. But right now, I'm looking at this, and gears are turning in my head.

I‘m interested too for two reasons:

AR and to replace my monitors. When you compare the cost to a pro display or cinema display its not bad at all.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

that's what they want you to think so they can charge you what use to be free

I think I watch YouTube (premium to get rid of adds - costs about $4.50USD a month - Thailand) more than shows that would be 'free to air'... The only 'TV Show' I am watching right is Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Every year there is less and less on 'free to air' TV even during prime time that has caught any of my attention - and I cannot think of anything I watched consistently or regularly that was from 'free to air' last year. Given that I was a TV junkie when I was younger... that is a major change in habit over the last 2 decades. YouTube I watch things like shows done by physicists, etc.

 

[AL2TEACH]

Every year there is less and less on 'free to air' TV

That is by design. The stations put shows that would've been on free tv now to their pay outlets because they know they can and people will pay.
Granted, some shows like Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, could not be on free tv because of production costs.

 

[k995]

How many of those 200 million TVs are used to receive broadcast TV? I think most people use them as monitors for streaming devices, or use apps that come preinstalled. The days of using TVs for broadcast television are over.

So? Doesnt matter in the slightest. People still overwhelmingly buy and have TV's in their homes. That it is for gaming on the xbox or watching via antenna doesnt really matter.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

So? Doesnt matter in the slightest. People still overwhelmingly buy and have TV's in their homes. That it is for gaming on the xbox or watching via antenna doesnt really matter.

TVs sell because you cannot buy a large monitor that size without it built in... You can take the tuner out but a TV still won't necessarily be any good compared to monitors for what monitors are currently used for, but monitors can be used for TV streaming devices... i.e. they don't as much buy TVs for TVs, but TVs as a streaming monitor these days (or with a cable box).

 

[k995]

TVs sell because you cannot buy a large monitor that size without it built in... You can take the tuner out but a TV still won't necessarily be any good compared to monitors for what monitors are currently used for, but monitors can be used for TV streaming devices... i.e. they don't as much buy TVs for TVs, but TVs as a streaming monitor these days (or with a cable box).

Tv's sell because people use them, thinking tv's are a thing of the passed is ignoring reality.
Wether they are used to actually watch TV, or just movies/series/streaming or gaming or as a monitor doesnt really matter.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

Tv's sell because people use them, thinking tv's are a thing of the passed is ignoring reality.
Wether they are used to actually watch TV, or just movies/series/streaming or gaming or as a monitor doesnt really matter.

No, they use them as a monitor (because the powers at be don't make reasonably priced ones without the tuner), but an annoying one since they don't use it as a TV.... but then have to deal with crap like another remote to turn on/off... and sometimes accidentally changed to tv input that has nothing on it -- then they have to get that other useless remote and fix it...

 

[k995]

No, they use them as a monitor (because the powers at be don't make reasonably priced ones without the tuner), but an annoying one since they don't use it as a TV.... but then have to deal with crap like another remote to turn on/off... and sometimes accidentally changed to tv input that has nothing on it -- then they have to get that other useless remote and fix it...

Again that doesnt matter how they use, they have it. So pretending they dont is just dumb.

 

[jimbobb24]

Lucky! Who do you work for?

My work has a very liberal policy for our choice of electronics we need to do our job. If the vision pro can run citric...or has a chance of eventually running citrix then it should be no problem. Citrix runs on iPad now so expect this will not be a problem.

 

[klasma]

No, they use them as a monitor (because the powers at be don't make reasonably priced ones without the tuner), but an annoying one since they don't use it as a TV....

A TV is not the same as a monitor plus tuner. TVs implement a large amount of picture processing options designed in close relationship with the panels, related to SDR/HDR, different frame rates (stuff like playing back 24 fps movies at 96 fps) , motion handling, etc., that monitors don't. You'd need specialized video playback software to do the equivalent on a monitor, and there are features like Black Frame Insertion that simply don't exist on regular monitors. Most people don’t consciously buy TVs for those reasons (movie enthusiasts do), but still.