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I'm honestly thinking of getting the Vision Pro

k995 said:
IF you can replace all those with 1 device it would still depend on you situation. The iphone replaced a device that was for 1 person, you want to replace devices that are for multiple users in most cases like a TV.
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What's a TV? Seriously so last decade...
 
I want to know how washable the headband and light seal are. Some of us have heads that produce surprising amounts of skin oil, even in just several hours after a shower. The headband might be fine, but the light seal appears to have moving mechanical parts inside.
 
Is there a box that will allow you to stream something to it? Like, use it as a display for any device? My buddy will want to use one with Visual Studio on his PC.
 
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masotime said:
I'm curious - this seems reason enough, no need any additional reasons. There's simply no other VR headset currently available or in the pipeline will be better than the Vision Pro in terms of VR specs, and Apple's strong developer ecosystem means apps will be readily available.

As long as you believe in VR, the Vision Pro is a no-brainer. As for the $3,500 price tag... it's not more expensive than the Mac Pro, the solid gold Apple Watches or even the Pro Display XDR. I don't see the problem. If it were like $35,000 then yes the price really is a problem.
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With all the techs in there, I surprise Apple didn't price it $35,000. That price, regardless of affordability, makes more sense to me for the value and quality it will provide. But still I won't complain for the cheaper $3500. Waiting for the pre-order open, I am ready, my wallet is ready.
 
Night Spring said:
Yeah, it's expensive being disabled. Look up how much wheelchairs cost. Or hearing aids, not the recent over the counter kind, but ones that are prescribed by audiologists. Or how much it takes to train and keep a guiding eye dog. Etc, etc.
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Hearing aids are expensive because of the testing and certification needed
 
Jensend said:
Lower resolutions work fine for gaming, fitness, and even movie watching, but won’t cut it for the “floating app windows” use case that Apple is focused on. Maybe they could use LCD or standard OLED to save on cost, but that would need a bulkier headset. You need the cameras for passthrough and hand tracking, so reducing the quality for photos and videos isn’t really an option.
Removing the outer screen seems like the best option for cost savings. But even that probably won’t cut more than a couple hundred from the price.
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Night Spring said:
I'm wondering if it's possible to make the flame out of plastic, or some kind of composite material. And I really don't think you need the eye display to show people around you that you are paying attention.
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I don’t think getting rid of the eye display (EyeSight) is a possibility either. The Apple Execs being interviewed by Gruber seemed to say that it was an integral part of the VP, because of Apple’s core value of not isolating people.

It seems like it will be really difficult to find things to cut out because all the technologies seem bare bones necessary to create the natural spatial computing experience that they are striving for.

The only thing I can see downgrading is just the materials. They could probably use more plastic instead of aluminum and glass, which would also make it lighter.
And then of course just the cost of materials and manufacturing coming down over time.
But these don’t seem like they will allow a significantly lower price in the immediate future, so I’m very curious if and how Apple will do it.
 
iregret said:
Is there a box that will allow you to stream something to it? Like, use it as a display for any device? My buddy will want to use one with Visual Studio on his PC.
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As it stands no. If you wanna stream a PC to a VR HMD, get a Quest and a copy of Virtual Desktop
 
I consistently go back and forth. I guess it is good that we have so much time to think about it. I just know I need to use it at least 5+ hours a week for it to be worthwhile. It's a pricey toy if it ends up getting minimal use after the initial wow factor wears off. With that said, it probably would be pretty easy to offload.

Obviously very different that a quest, but I haven't fired up that thing in 6+ months.
 
mattopotamus said:
I consistently go back and forth. I guess it is good that we have so much time to think about it. I just know I need to use it at least 5+ hours a week for it to be worthwhile. It's a pricey toy if it ends up getting minimal use after the initial wow factor wears off. With that said, it probably would be pretty easy to offload.

Obviously very different that a quest, but I haven't fired up that thing in 6+ months.
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Well I guarantee I'd get a lot more use out of it than I do my iPad currently. It's why I'm considering forgoing the plan for an iPad Pro and just getting the Vision Pro instead.

While it may not be as useful now, getting the first one you're helping shape the future of the new Apple Vision product category going forward, just like the Apple Watch first adopters did, and the first Apple Silicon Mac adopters (which I happened to have been too.)
 
Spaceboi Scaphandre said:
Well I guarantee I'd get a lot more use out of it than I do my iPad currently. It's why I'm considering forgoing the plan for an iPad Pro and just getting the Vision Pro instead.

While it may not be as useful now, getting the first one you're helping shape the future of the new Apple Vision product category going forward, just like the Apple Watch first adopters did, and the first Apple Silicon Mac adopters (which I happened to have been too.)
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Sure but that’s not saying much. My iPad barely gets used. So it’ll easily replace that. But it’ll need to offer much more than an iPad. And so far that would be screens for mac. And even iPad apps that need lots of presses or swipes will suck with this hand gesture only ui.

Any vision app itself will be iPad level. So not expecting much there. The ui doesn’t seem promising with no haptic feedback of any kind.

If this thing can’t seamlessly work with a Mac, back it goes. Working with bt devices such as kb and mouse or controller but being immersed otherwise seems tricky.

What apple has shown us has been very limited.
 
cardfan said:
Working with bt devices such as kb and mouse or controller but being immersed otherwise seems tricky.

What apple has shown us has been very limited.
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Yes, I’m waiting to see exactly how it will work with a Mac.
If we get just one resizable mirrored screen, then that’s probably a dud for me.
I believe when fully immersed, hands are visible, so I would hope anything my hands are holding or connected to would be visible as well. If not, I suppose I’d have to dial down the immersion a tad to be able to see my immediate surroundings.
We’ll see how all this works.
 
Spaceboi Scaphandre said:
Originally I was thinking of waiting for the consumer model Vision Pro since $3500 for a first gen headset is absolutely insane, but then I started thinking.

See, a little backstory: I love VR. If you've followed me from my posts in all the rumor articles I was explaining my VR background and things about the VR industry, so I'm one of the only people in this forum who was excited about an Apple HMD even if it was expensive.

I have a Quest 2 as my headset, but to be fully honest...the Quest 2 is awful. AR Passthrough is black and white and low quality since it was made for VR in mind and it's passthrough is meant for utility so you could step out of your playspace for a moment to do something without taking the headset off. The Quest 3 and Pro have proper passthrough but even then it's not ideal as the image quality is horrible. And that's the biggest issue with the Quest HMDs: The image quality. For games, it's perfect, but for any other kind of media consumption or even doing work on it, it's too poor. It's why people pretty much only use the Quest as a gaming headset.

Which brings me to why I'm genuinely thinking of getting the Vision Pro: To replace my iPad. You see, the iPad used to be my favorite Apple product since the iPad 2. I used it constantly and always, sometimes over my PC. But recently Apple's kinda caused the iPad to languish. iPadOS has been the second banana in terms of OS features, always getting last year's iOS features, and lately I've been using my iPad less and less. Then last year I got a 14 inch Macbook Pro, and that had essentially replaced all my iPad's functions since the display and OS is better than my iPad's.

I was thinking of getting an iPad Pro, used or new...but then I had a thought: Why should I get a iPad I would barely use, potentially spending over a thousand dollars, when I could get the Vision Pro, a new OS with a new control layout that I love, that I could do more with than an iPad, and could also replace my Quest 2 for non-gaming stuff. I barely use my iPad anymore, pretty much only using it in the bathroom and on the bed. But seeing the Vision Pro, I can see using it a lot more than my iPad, since I don't have to carry a tablet with me. I just wear the headset and I have the OS with me.

And that's the big thing that has my attention on the headset: The display. A 4K Micro-OLED display with me that's easily transportable. Essentially a mini Pro Display XDR for less the cost. The content consumption I can do with this thing would be incredible, to the point it could potentially replace my traditional monitor with how good it is

I'll have to try it on at the Apple Store in January before I make the decision, and if I do get it, I'd probably have to do monthly payments using my Apple Card. But right now, I'm looking at this, and gears are turning in my head.
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You can go for it, if you really like VR I think it's ideal for you despite the price I'm sure you won't regret your choice.
 
cardfan said:
What apple has shown us has been very limited.
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Normally, a company like Apple does not show a product when there are basically pre-production demo products only, they wait until it is ready... but to get it ready they have to basically expand the number who have it available and it won't be able to be private anymore. So basically, now that it is public they can allow the device out of the compartmentalized security and some senior developers will be able to take it home. Production prototypes for manufacturing can be given/leased to trusted developers at major 3rd party companies. And it can be given to many many more developers in Apple. What was shown was what was stable enough to demo without worrying about it blowing up... They now have 8 or 9 months to basically buckle down and finish the software for the device... that includes probably porting of more included apps to the 'desktop' and QA testing, and fixing things that are not working. This was not a demo done when a product is released, this is basically getting ahead of what would have become a torrent of uncontrolled leaks and observations.
 
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k995 said:
LOL sure only 200 million get sold every year, so nobody has them right?
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How many of those 200 million TVs are used to receive broadcast TV? I think most people use them as monitors for streaming devices, or use apps that come preinstalled. The days of using TVs for broadcast television are over.
 
wrcousert said:
How many of those 200 million TVs are used to receive broadcast TV? I think most people use them as monitors for streaming devices, or use apps that come preinstalled. The days of using TVs for broadcast television are over.
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I do. Uncompressed HD streams come over the air and look better than the compressed stream provided by your cable company. Antennas are cheap too, unless you want a 10’ aerial or something.
 
So I'm thinking of some stuff I'll do with my Vision Pro if I get it, and I got a list so far:

  • It'll become my Mac's desktop display. Currently my display is an Acer Nitro 27 inch monitor. It's 1440p144hz and pretty decent, but this monitor is clearly meant for games and sometimes has had issues on macOS. Plus it's an IPS monitor, while the Vision Pro is OLED. I'd essentially be wearing a Pro Display XDR on my face while not paying the insane costs of the Pro Display XDR, and not having to remove my existing monitor. Plus that frees up a HDMI port on my monitor to plug in something else, and I wouldn't have to hotswap the cable between devices anymore.
  • My own personal theater. A personal IMAX theater in my bedroom. Would be even better if we get confirmation we can watch 3D movies from it. I hope Bigscreen gets a visionOS port so I wouldn't need to use my Quest 2 for that anymore
  • It's essentially replacing my iPad. I really, really, really do not like iPadOS and have been using iPads less and less over the years, and the final nail was when I got my 14 inch Macbook Pro that was just better than anything the iPads could offer me, so I have no interest in replacing my aging 8th gen iPad. The Vision Pro while it's battery isn't high, tbh my iPad's wasn't high either, so good on me. I'd just be able to do a lot more with a Vision Pro than an iPad Pro
  • We have confirmation Rec Room is coming to visionOS, so there's the possibility VRChat does too. if it does, the Vision Pro would be a preferable headset for VRChat, since AR passthrough on it is better, the hardware on it is better, the display is better, the tracking is better, just all around better.
  • DJay is getting a visionOS port, so having my own full virtual turntable will be fun
  • First person vlogging. Those cameras would be very useful for me to do POV filming without every having to show my face
 
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