I'm honestly thinking of getting the Vision Pro

[bkkcanuck8]

Who doesn’t want to relieve themselves on the moon?

Me, I don't want a frozen wee wee... extremely painful...

 

[bkkcanuck8]

Disabled persons who can afford $3499.

If the device has significant medical benefits over what is available now -- then they would likely get something like a disability rebate at time of filing taxes etc. Or in the US the insurance company might cover it -- instead of pretty much anything created specifically for disabilities... since it is cheap in comparison to what is created for medical purposes only.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Sorry but the thought of you in the bathroom with the Vision Pro is just too much to bear.

Admit it, you'd use it in the restroom too.

If it's portable, it's gonna be used in the bathroom. The Game Boy, the iPhone, the Nintendo DS, the iPad, the Nintendo 3DS, the PSP, the PS Vita, the Nintendo Switch, the Steam Deck, and next year the Vision Pro. The tools to make potty time, party time. (And I am not apologizing for that rhyme)

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

Disabled persons who can afford $3499.

Or if they got an Apple Card they can opt into monthly payments of $300 a month for 12 months.

 

[thegerman]

Great idea! It is the best eyephone Apple ever created

 

[klasma]

Who doesn’t want to relieve themselves on the moon?

Too little gravity for my comfort.

 

[dumastudetto]

I think pretty much all of us are going to fighting to get our pre-orders in the moment they go live.

Vision Pro is the future of everything. I genuinely believe it's the most exciting product created by all of mankind.

 

[thatguywill]

I’m gona wait a few years for the ‘refined versions’. As a rule I never buy the first iteration of any Apple product.

 

[Mr. Dee]

I’ll be carrying sani-wipes to clean it before testing at the Apple store next year.

 

[teknikal90]

Originally I was thinking of waiting for the consumer model Vision Pro since $3500 for a first gen headset is absolutely insane, but then I started thinking.

See, a little backstory: I love VR. If you've followed me from my posts in all the rumor articles I was explaining my VR background and things about the VR industry, so I'm one of the only people in this forum who was excited about an Apple HMD even if it was expensive.

I have a Quest 2 as my headset, but to be fully honest...the Quest 2 is awful. AR Passthrough is black and white and low quality since it was made for VR in mind and it's passthrough is meant for utility so you could step out of your playspace for a moment to do something without taking the headset off. The Quest 3 and Pro have proper passthrough but even then it's not ideal as the image quality is horrible. And that's the biggest issue with the Quest HMDs: The image quality. For games, it's perfect, but for any other kind of media consumption or even doing work on it, it's too poor. It's why people pretty much only use the Quest as a gaming headset.

Which brings me to why I'm genuinely thinking of getting the Vision Pro: To replace my iPad. You see, the iPad used to be my favorite Apple product since the iPad 2. I used it constantly and always, sometimes over my PC. But recently Apple's kinda caused the iPad to languish. iPadOS has been the second banana in terms of OS features, always getting last year's iOS features, and lately I've been using my iPad less and less. Then last year I got a 14 inch Macbook Pro, and that had essentially replaced all my iPad's functions since the display and OS is better than my iPad's.

I was thinking of getting an iPad Pro, used or new...but then I had a thought: Why should I get a iPad I would barely use, potentially spending over a thousand dollars, when I could get the Vision Pro, a new OS with a new control layout that I love, that I could do more with than an iPad, and could also replace my Quest 2 for non-gaming stuff. I barely use my iPad anymore, pretty much only using it in the bathroom and on the bed. But seeing the Vision Pro, I can see using it a lot more than my iPad, since I don't have to carry a tablet with me. I just wear the headset and I have the OS with me.

And that's the big thing that has my attention on the headset: The display. A 4K Micro-OLED display with me that's easily transportable. Essentially a mini Pro Display XDR for less the cost. The content consumption I can do with this thing would be incredible, to the point it could potentially replace my traditional monitor with how good it is

I'll have to try it on at the Apple Store in January before I make the decision, and if I do get it, I'd probably have to do monthly payments using my Apple Card. But right now, I'm looking at this, and gears are turning in my head.

if you have to do monthly payment to get this thing... should you?

 

[Allen_Wentz]

I'd wait for the reviews from those who try to use it all day long. I don't think it will be comfortable to wear for extended periods of time, and to the eyes due to VAC, compared to lounging around with an iPad.

I doubt that "try to use it all day long" is any kind of important use case for v1 AVP. IMO anyone who used the v1 device for even two hours a day would be using it quite a lot. I just do not see usage for extended periods of time with v1.

But that is just a personal guess.

 

[Wanted797]

The demand's rather strong for something costing half that of a Mac Pro.

All those YouTubers need to buy and send back!

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Damn. The only other practical thing I can think of them doing is instead of an M2 using an A17 for the SoC. How the hell are they gonna get this thing affordable? If the consumer model isn't under $1800, it's dead.

You might be right about "If the consumer model isn't under $1800, it's dead." But I for one do not consider consumer usage essential anyway. The AVP has absolutely huge potential as a commercial device. As an engineer I struggle to think of an engineering specialty where it would not likely become an invaluable tool.

IMO the engineering applications alone guarantee the long term success of the AVP effort. If, as is likely IMO, consumer usages and price points also develop that is good too.

 

[Longplays]

Damn. The only other practical thing I can think of them doing is instead of an M2 using an A17 for the SoC. How the hell are they gonna get this thing affordable? If the consumer model isn't under $1800, it's dead.

The demand for the $3499 AVP outstrips the <500 thousand units supply they'll have on hand for the whole of 2024.

It is also likely Apple will use the 3nm M3 chip as a pre-planned "free upgrade" to improve battery life to more than 2hrs, good PR move in 2024 and not cause an Osbourne Effect for any M2 product that is being sold for the next 6-9 months.

I doubt the 2023 A17 Bionic coming out in 3 months will be beefy enough to run it.

It is likely that in less than a decade prices will drop to near $429-1599 iPhone pricing. Hopefully it includes an Apple 5G modem so that telcos could subsidize/amortize it on a 24/36/48 month contract.

 

[Night Spring]

You might be right about "If the consumer model isn't under $1800, it's dead." But I for one do not consider consumer usage essential anyway. The AVP has absolutely huge potential as a commercial device. As an engineer I struggle to think of an engineering specialty where it would not likely become an invaluable tool.

IMO the engineering applications alone guarantee the long term success of the AVP effort. If, as is likely IMO, consumer usages and price points also develop that is good too.

I tend to agree with this. If the price comes down to under $2000, it will sell more, obviously, but Apple currently sells Pro computers in the $3500 and above price range, and they have a market. Not every product needs to sell in iPhone numbers in order to be considered a success.

 

[ouruniverse06131986]

WAIT! I just realized another use case for the Vision Pro for me: The cameras. And no, I'm not talking about that disturbing Black Mirror crap that they had in the presentation, I'm talking about POV shots. The Vision Pro could replace a GoPro, and offer better POV angles than a GoPro, since it's literally where your eyes are.

I could do POV filming of unboxings, I could start a vlog and never have to show my face.

Okay now I'm getting even more excited.

Thanks for the idea. COPYRIGHT…

 

[Abazigal]

WAIT! I just realized another use case for the Vision Pro for me: The cameras. And no, I'm not talking about that disturbing Black Mirror crap that they had in the presentation, I'm talking about POV shots. The Vision Pro could replace a GoPro, and offer better POV angles than a GoPro, since it's literally where your eyes are.

I could do POV filming of unboxings, I could start a vlog and never have to show my face.

Okay now I'm getting even more excited.

That's one possibility as well. It would be pretty handy to film without having to hold up your camera, while also knowing that whatever you see is whatever ends up being recorded.

 

[klasma]

I doubt that "try to use it all day long" is any kind of important use case for v1 AVP. IMO anyone who used the v1 device for even two hours a day would be using it quite a lot. I just do not see usage for extended periods of time with v1.l

Right, but the thread starter is saying: The Vision Pro would replace so many of my devices. TV, computer monitors, iPad, VR HMD, all consolidated into just the Vision Pro. That's why I'm saying better wait for the reviews.

 

[ThunderSkunk]

The real highlight of this headset is just how many devices it can replace and how it's a better iPadOS than god damn iPadOS lmaooooo.

Yeah as soon as I did the math I realized this purchase is actually justifiable. It also means that due to not wearing it out & about, or wearing it for 14 hours straight, trading all the other displays for just VP + a workstation means I’ll finally be able to cut down on screen time.

 

[AL2TEACH]

I think pretty much all of us are going to fighting to get our pre-orders in the moment they go live.

That is the truth and the one coming will be improved and probably not the demo/beta version.

if you have to do monthly payment to get this thing... should you?

If they are around for a monthly payment heck ya!!!!!! Better to not go into any debt if possible.

As an engineer I struggle to think of an engineering specialty where it would not likely become an invaluable tool.

I can understand people thinking about "consumer apps" but I think the real eh beauty of this device will be in the other apps. Of course, this means developers will have to get a move on lol. The potential of this tech is thru the roof. If I'm able to get one, I will want those consumer apps, lol.

It is likely that in less than a decade prices will drop to near $429-1599 iPhone pricing

Optimistic if you think in a decade the iPhone prices will drop or stay the same. The only certainty in our economic system is the price of everything will increase, until we stop buying for whatever reason(s).

 

[Longplays]

Optimistic if you think in a decade the iPhone prices will drop or stay the same. The only certainty in our economic system is the price of everything will increase, until we stop buying for whatever reason(s).

I was saying that the AVP will have to drop to near iPhone pricing range to be "iPhone successful"

 

[AL2TEACH]

I was saying that the AVP will have to drop to near iPhone pricing range to be "iPhone successful"

Too many other factors will depend on that statement to be possible. This tech makes the iPhone look eh normal/meh, lol. Don't we all wish that statement comes to be a reality.

 

[Longplays]

Too many other factors will depend on that statement to be possible. This tech makes the iPhone look eh normal/meh, lol. Don't we all wish that statement comes to be a reality.

For most people the price point of Apple devices prevents them from buying.

 

[bkkcanuck8]

For most people the price point of Apple devices prevents them from buying.

The price point and the devices in general make up a majority of the revenue. The goal is not selling to everyone and going bankrupt or not making a profit, it is to balance the two. If you want crap for a low price... buy Meta Quest.

 

[k995]

And GoPro is a separate device that has to be mounted to something, then afterwards you gotta import the footage to a Mac or PC. The Vision Pro I just wear and go. It's just like with phone cameras.

And you are going to upload it unedited? Or are you going to edit it in the VP?
Of course not, so yeah gopro uploading takes no time compared to how long actual editing takes.

You can make the case a dedicated camera is better (and in a lot of situations they are) but they're not convenient. The Vision Pro is, since I'm already wearing the headset, I can see what is being recorded since it literally sees what I see, and after done recording I could instantly get to work editing the footage, not even needing to take the headset off.

Editing takes some precision you asume the VP is that acurate and has decent software ready to be used for it.

A go pro also can be detached and set in a fixed place when you dont want it to move all over the place, imho thats even more convenient and for a fraction of the price.

Just like the iPhone the Vision Pro is a jack of all trades and being a first person photo and video camera is just one of them, especially since unlike the GoPro, you can shoot 3D videos.

If that is your thing sure, but that "jack of all trades" seem for the moment a real stretch.

My guy you're talking to a avid VR user who sends upwards of 5 hours in VR in a single sitting. It's not a *strain on the eyes like you think it is. The only strain is the same strain you'd get from staring at a phone screen or a standard computer monitor.

Its been tested and yes VR causes a lot more and a lot faster eye strain compared to regular screen.

Have you seen the fertility trend of the top 20% income bracket countries and individuals for the past 1-2 decades?

So? Be it a family off 2 you would still need 2 , or are you going to claim just about everyone is single?

The Vision Pro may not as quickly eat into those devices Steve pointed to in 2006 but it is the device that will stay with us after Tim passes.

I have little doubt about that as VR has been around for quite a time now.

Before the 2024 Vision Pro I wanted to replace from my decade old

- 2011 MBP 13" 32nm > 2021 MBP 16" 5nm
- 2012 iMac 27" 22nm > 2023 iMac 27" 5nm
- 2016 LG OLED 4k TV > 2026 LG OLED 8K TV
- 2018 iPad Pro 11" A12X Bionic 7nm > 2028 iPad Pro 11" M4 1nm (A10)

But entering the 2030s will I replace the laptop, desktop, TV and tablet with their refreshed SKUs or go AR?

This was why I was saying that for Vision Pro to get iPhone success it needs to reach $429-1599 price band for it to move ~333 million units annually worldwide.

IF you can replace all those with 1 device it would still depend on you situation. The iphone replaced a device that was for 1 person, you want to replace devices that are for multiple users in most cases like a TV.