I’m just slightly creeped out on a conceptual level about this whole thing

[Surf Monkey]

While I'm sure many people will feel that way, I'd argue that many introverts won't (as well as others, of course). Introverts are already isolated to varying degrees, and most will likely not care about the "idiotic looking hardware" if they only wear it at home. The big question is, "How many introverts can afford the Vision Pro?" I'm not sure if that qualifies as "niche".

I’d say that definition absolutely renders it niche. You’ve eliminated 1/2 (at least) of the population before the game even begins.

 

[Jensend]

I’d say that definition absolutely renders it niche. You’ve eliminated 1/2 (at least) of the population before the game even begins.

Is there anything you like about this device or any plausible AR/VR device in the next 10 years? Obviously the downsides outweigh any possible upsides for you, but are there any upsides? If not, I don't understand why you spend so much time commenting on these threads while telling everybody that's interested in the product how antisocial they are and how they'll look like dweebs if they use it.

 

[subjonas]

So ultra niche. That’s my point. This will never be ubiquitous like iPhone and it may fail completely due to the high resistance to its imposed isolation and idiotic looking hardware.

Use for mainly home and office makes it niche? That’s where people spend probably 80% of their lives. It is niche, but not because of that. It’s mainly because of price, and then battery life and comfort.

And I mean niche compared to a laptop, or more accurately an iPad/external monitors, because that’s what it shares functionality with so that’s what it should be compared to.

I’m not sure why you’re comparing it to an iPhone. It’s a totally different animal. No way any headset in any foreseeable would be as ubiquitous as a phone. It would have to be AR (not MR) glasses (not headset)—thin, light, affordable, good battery life. And even then it would require a phone for tether, so it would still probably be less ubiquitous.

I said it’s as isolating as a scuba mask, and you again said it’s isolating, so does that mean you disagree with the comparison, or you think a scuba mask is also isolating (ie. blocks your senses and blocks others from seeing you)? Because that might be where we disagree (tentatively, I’ll make up my final mind when I use it). From what I’ve seen with EyeSight, it essentially looks like a scuba mask from the outside, but with slightly off perspective on the eyes—but otherwise all the information is present, anything else can theoretically be gotten used to. From the inside, it might actually have better field of vision than a scuba mask, not sure.
And if you mean it’s isolating because the user probably has a some app(s)/window(s) open, then it’s just as isolating as a monitor, phone, book, or any personal object that you’re looking at, which is a necessity of life.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Is there anything you like about this device or any plausible AR/VR device in the next 10 years? Obviously the downsides outweigh any possible upsides for you, but are there any upsides? If not, I don't understand why you spend so much time commenting on these threads while telling everybody that's interested in the product how antisocial they are and how they'll look like dweebs if they use it.

If someone identifies a valid use case, maybe.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Use for mainly home and office makes it niche? That’s where people spend probably 80% of their lives. It is niche, but not because of that. It’s mainly because of price, and then battery life and comfort.

And I mean niche compared to a laptop, or more accurately an iPad/external monitors, because that’s what it shares functionality with so that’s what it should be compared to.

I’m not sure why you’re comparing it to an iPhone. It’s a totally different animal. No way any headset in any foreseeable would be as ubiquitous as a phone. It would have to be AR (not MR) glasses (not headset)—thin, light, affordable, good battery life. And even then it would require a phone for tether, so it would still probably be less ubiquitous.

I said it’s as isolating as a scuba mask, and you again said it’s isolating, so does that mean you disagree with the comparison, or you think a scuba mask is also isolating (ie. blocks your senses and blocks others from seeing you)? Because that might be where we disagree (tentatively, I’ll make up my final mind when I use it). From what I’ve seen with EyeSight, it essentially looks like a scuba mask from the outside, but with slightly off perspective on the eyes—but otherwise all the information is present, anything else can theoretically be gotten used to. From the inside, it might actually have better field of vision than a scuba mask, not sure.
And if you mean it’s isolating because the user probably has a some app(s)/window(s) open, then it’s just as isolating as a monitor, phone, book, or any personal object that you’re looking at, which is a necessity of life.

The assertion was that it would appeal to INTROVERTS. That’s only 1/2 of the population at most.

As far as the isolation argument goes, feel free to read the voluminous reporting on the device. Reporting that almost universally notes that the device’s primary quality is isolation.

 

[Tagbert]

I think the scariest thing about this new computing paradigm is the unknown directions companies will go to maximize profit.

I don’t think Apple wanted the iPhone App Store to be in the business of delivering glorified gambling to kids but they can’t do much about it on their platform besides bandaids. Apple shareholders cannot abide by more draconian solutions.

What are the new, bad things the come along with the new, good things? Does the ledger work out such that the good is worth the bad?

“Many were increasingly of the opinion that they’d all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.” ― Douglas Adams

 

[AL2TEACH]

Because you know.

eh yeah, it's just another program designed for a purpose. In this case, the user talks to the machine a certain way. Not trying to do battle here or see who's junk is bigger but yeah, I do know.

 

[subjonas]

As far as the isolation argument goes, feel free to read the voluminous reporting on the device. Reporting that almost universally notes that the device’s primary quality is isolation.

All the first hand reviews I read and watched (probably over a dozen) said nothing of the sort.
And I don’t believe the reviewers should be able to comment much on isolation anyway, since they only had a guided tour with only one Apple rep with them, as far as I know. They could maybe say they felt isolated from the Apple rep (though again, none did, that I know of), but none should be able speak of others feeling isolated from them since no one else was around. If they did, it would be speculation.

 

[subjonas]

The assertion was that it would appeal to INTROVERTS. That’s only 1/2 of the population at most.

I’m not an introvert and it appeals to me. 🤷‍♂️
To me it’s simply a tool with much potential.

 

[rgwebb]

“Many were increasingly of the opinion that they’d all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.” ― Douglas Adams

For whatever its worth, I did not immediately dismiss vision pro as not worth the sociological cost. Despite all the bad affordable personal computing in your pocket has done for the world, it is outweighed by the good things it has done. The smartphone phablet was often the first computing device for many in the developing world. Sure it has created a world with almost hyper-personalized deluges of misinformation but that has less to do with the device and more to do with the people utilizing them for this means.

Just because the printing press led to the Protestant Reformation that led to the 30 and 100 Years Wars, English Revolution, and a variety of other deadly conflicts does not mean that broad availability of literature and literacy itself was a bad thing. It was simply conflict that could only exist once that paradigm shift for regularly and broadly connecting people's thoughts came into being.

 

[Surf Monkey]

All the first hand reviews I read and watched (probably over a dozen) said nothing of the sort.
And I don’t believe the reviewers should be able to comment much on isolation anyway, since they only had a guided tour with only one Apple rep with them, as far as I know. They could maybe say they felt isolated from the Apple rep (though again, none did, that I know of), but none should be able speak of others feeling isolated from them since no one else was around. If they did, it would be speculation.

I linked to nearly a dozen from reputable sources. My comments stands.