Exactly. While I think this will be a successful product, the current version is probably limited to something like home/office/hotel/airplane use. Elsewhere, you're just wearing a target on your head. I'm wondering how many hours it'll be after release before someone whines that their Vision Pro was ripped off their head and stolen.
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I’m just slightly creeped out on a conceptual level about this whole thing
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A product doesn't have to be usable in the street to be useful. I've never walked down the street using my Macbook, but its still very useful to me. Horses for courses.
You're almost certainly right, but AR/VR will be right up there alongside those. The Mac/iPad product lines might have merged by then, but the result will still be around.
If you go back and watch Star Trek Voyager's "Equinox" episodes, there's a smaller version of Vision Pro being put to exactly that use.
Personally, I'm excited for this technology and the avenues it opens up. I did find one thing creepy, and that's the guy wearing Vision Pro at a family event. That had dystopian vibes. But many of us survived the era of dads walking around with a VHS or DV camera glued to their eye for an entire childhood. This isn't a whole lot worse than that.
Everything is a dystopia... big surprise.If you go back and watch Star Trek Voyager's "Equinox" episodes, there's a smaller version of Vision Pro being put to exactly that use.
Personally, I'm excited for this technology and the avenues it opens up. I did find one thing creepy, and that's the guy wearing Vision Pro at a family event. That had dystopian vibes. But many of us survived the era of dads walking around with a VHS or DV camera glued to their eye for an entire childhood. This isn't a whole lot worse than that.
But has it ever been an actual dystopia that isn't hyped up by Hollywood?
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Everyone's threshold is different, just like with "uncanny valley." Some people found spatial personas firmly in "uncanny valley" while others did not. Each person experiences things their own way.
The more I rewatch the 90s Trek shows, the more I think its a significant source of ideas for Apple. First the IPad, which I'd be very suprised if not only the idea but the name came from Star Trek (PADD and IPad are too similar to be a coincidence) and now the Vision Pro, similar not only to the headset in Equinox, but also to the Dominion headsets in DS9 seen for instance in Call to Arms and A Time to Stand.If you go back and watch Star Trek Voyager's "Equinox" episodes, there's a smaller version of Vision Pro being put to exactly that use.
Yes. While most people will feel the Vision Pro is fine, not everyone is the same, and I'm sure there will be a significant number who'll dislike or be creeped out by one thing or another.
As for me, I don't think I'll be creeped out by anything, although I'm still on the fence about the virtual eyes. I do dislike the virtual persona, though. I think an animated 3D cartoony character would be better, but Apple appears to be making the Vision Pro attractive to business users, too. I imagine Apple will make this some much-touted feature in a future VisionOS release.
Yeah I think the Personas are the only thing that I am not a fan of (so far). From what I saw it didn’t look like it was capturing/relaying all of a person’s movements. It looked like it was capturing a lot of it but then trying to combine them with computer generated movements—and I think it’s probably because they’re trying to sort of anchor all the movement to that floating bust. They don’t want the bust to be moving around dramatically. If so, I can understand why, but that’s already an unnatural confinement, which affects the believability of the movement.
I don’t know what the solution is. I agree I’d probably prefer to see an Animoji, but like you said that’s not always appropriate. I’d prefer a regular 2D video over both of those, but that’s obviously not possible if they’re wearing the VP.
But maybe an option would be to have an external camera set up, maybe Continuity Camera, that would show the user wearing the VP as a regular 2D video. I don’t know if EyeSight is good enough for that though. I think it’s just meant to allow for shorter interactions while wearing the headset, not full on conversations. It might be possible people can get used to it enough, but I have doubts. But I think I would prefer that over Personas or Animojis.
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I strongly think that this device won't have any significant impact on healthcare costs long term. One could argue that there may be an increase in health care costs as long-term use may have a negative impact on your vision care.
I'm a retired (we really quit no retirement lol) healthcare worker and it won't have any impact.
I remember this young woman that due to her illness, she could move her head a little, her eyes and speak though it could be a chore for a length of time.
She had a remarkable device. It was like a laptop and she had a piece she wore around her head and had a little device that went around her eye. She could look at something on on the laptop and interact with it by using her eye. She played games with it. This was awhile back(years). The Apple Vision Pro and what comes from this tech will be remarkable for some people especially laid up in hospitals. Don't underestimate stress.
Sure. But a device that allows disabled and injured people to do things they couldn’t before isn’t necessarily a good idea for rank and file consumers. That was the point. We don’t know what negative health impacts may be in play with this device for average people who use them.
See, this is what I'm talking about. Imagine this as seen through the VPro. https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/5114
It’s certainly true that you rarely see people sitting in public transport who aren’t interacting with a smartphone. The whole world has become very much about the screens you use.
But in the end I think it’s just another computing platform, and we will have to see whether it inspires people and allows them to complete tasks efficiently.
But in the end I think it’s just another computing platform, and we will have to see whether it inspires people and allows them to complete tasks efficiently.
Well, to the original poster's point, this is something that takes the weirdness out of the concept. Data visualization is a powerful tool. Imagine being immersed in an environment where the water level is rising, except it's gameified such that you can take action in the game to reduce water levels. This works two fold: first, it gets people to deeply understand the profound implications of water level increases, and second, it gets people thinking about solutions. Suddenly now the VPro isn't some creepy and isolating device that causes people to ignore the problems of the real world, but rather becomes an interactive tool for engaging with data and improvising solutions for the real world.
Sounds like a reach to me. Certainly not a universal use case. And this doesn’t make the hardware any less creepy looking and isolating.
I think it’s silly-looking for social situations, but it’s main use case is alone (maybe with housemates around), or at work (maybe with coworkers around), both places where looks doesn’t matter nearly as much as function. But also what people consider silly/creepy is always changing. And it’s as isolating as a scuba mask, which isn’t so much isolating as it is just silly-looking in the wrong context.
So ultra niche. That’s my point. This will never be ubiquitous like iPhone and it may fail completely due to the high resistance to its imposed isolation and idiotic looking hardware.
While I'm sure many people will feel that way, I'd argue that many introverts won't (as well as others, of course). Introverts are already isolated to varying degrees, and most will likely not care about the "idiotic looking hardware" if they only wear it at home. The big question is, "How many introverts can afford the Vision Pro?" I'm not sure if that qualifies as "niche".