Apple can have major flaws too, the dGPU in the 2011 model is a prime example.
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I'm officially done with MacBooks
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I have a young friend who drove over her MBP with her car. Its bent, but it works fine.
Op complained and then disappeared. Would have really liked to see a pic of the damage and more details.
The Osborne I and II. Owned a II for a brief period of time. Someone we knew owned the Kaypro Color. Brings back some fun memories.
It's naive to think ThinkPads don't have any issues. Wobbly screens, mushy keyboards, awful displays, etc. These are all common issues ThinkPad users are complaining about.
Well, I have my own experience to back up what I say about the MBP.
Go for it, give me some owner experiences to prove your point too?
And umm.. didn't say that had NO problems, just that the TP doesn't have Apples lousy policies for parts and is designed with user servicing in mind. Facts.
It much depends on the ThinkPad model. For example, I was the owner of a ThinkPad Yoga 14, but after 3 month the logic board was defect. Support at the local Reseller was awful, they changed the board, but I got it back with a broken bottom-piece and scratches all over it. After 2 month of discuss with the reseller about the responsibility for this, I contacted Lenovo directly. They agreed, that the responsibility for this wasn't on my side.
They offered me the successor the Thinkpad Yoga 460.
Sound good you would think?
Now the facts: The Yoga 14 had a dGPU, the Yoga 460 had no option for a dGPU... Tried to change the model to a T-series, but Lenovo said no... Now I spent 1300 Euros on a Laptop that has less performance than an iPhone!
Furthermore, the performance of the Yoga 460 is worse than I expected. It has a dual-core CPU and can't run a simple Linux VM with windows as Host? Indeed Windows it self has the worst performance I have ever seen. I don't know what Lenovo put into these models, but it seems that they did a pretty bad job on them. Driver-problems (fingerprint not working properly using windows) and the CPU jumps to 100% while opening Chrome or even the Task-Manager?
About four weeks ago I discovered that the build in mini-DP is only VGA-compatible... They use Displayport and then it gets such a small bandwidth, that it can only be used as a VGA-Port? What the hell?
I know many people are just fine with their ThinkPad, but I would say there is a reason more and more professors and their assistants at my university are using MBPs. For People switching often between Windows and a Linux OS, this machines are sometimes just awful. To much proprietary Hardware and drivers. Yes there is a big Linux-Community using ThinkPads and they will love their machines, but if you want that your machine runs without building your OS from scratch, ThinkPads aren't a good choice in my opinion (too much self-compiling and searching to get simple features as fingerprint to work properly).
I stillt don't know why a i5 6200U with 8GB RAM can't run a VM properly...
This is just my opinion with the mentioned machines, so take this subjective statement with a grain of salt
If you want a reliable Windows machine with a good price/performance ratio, I would give the Dell XPSs a try. The current Lenovo lineup is IMO garbage. Spending over 2500 euros on a machine and what you get is a dual-core and only a Intel HD graphics? Really Lenovo? The only models with a really good performance would be the P-series, but their weight is far away from "portable". Desktops PCs with a battery in my opinion.
It much depends on the ThinkPad model. For example, I was the owner of a ThinkPad Yoga 14, but after 3 month the logic board was defect. Support at the local Reseller was awful, they changed the board, but I got it back with a broken bottom-piece and scratches all over it. After 2 month of discuss with the reseller about the responsibility for this, I contacted Lenovo directly. They agreed, that the responsibility for this wasn't on my side.
They offered me the successor the Thinkpad Yoga 460.
Sound good you would think?
Now the facts: The Yoga 14 had a dGPU, the Yoga 460 had no option for a dGPU... Tried to change the model to a T-series, but Lenovo said no... Now I spent 1300 Euros on a Laptop that has less performance than an iPhone!
Furthermore, the performance of the Yoga 460 is worse than I expected. It has a dual-core CPU and can't run a simple Linux VM with windows as Host? Indeed Windows it self has the worst performance I have ever seen. I don't know what Lenovo put into these models, but it seems that they did a pretty bad job on them. Driver-problems (fingerprint not working properly using windows) and the CPU jumps to 100% while opening Chrome or even the Task-Manager?
About four weeks ago I discovered that the build in mini-DP is only VGA-compatible... They use Displayport and then it gets such a small bandwidth, that it can only be used as a VGA-Port? What the hell?
I know many people are just fine with their ThinkPad, but I would say there is a reason more and more professors and their assistants at my university are using MBPs. For People switching often between Windows and a Linux OS, this machines are sometimes just awful. To much proprietary Hardware and drivers. Yes there is a big Linux-Community using ThinkPads and they will love their machines, but if you want that your machine runs without building your OS from scratch, ThinkPads aren't a good choice in my opinion (too much self-compiling and searching to get simple features as fingerprint to work properly).
I stillt don't know why a i5 6200U with 8GB RAM can't run a VM properly...
This is just my opinion with the mentioned machines, so take this subjective statement with a grain of salt
If you want a reliable Windows machine with a good price/performance ratio, I would give the Dell XPSs a try. The current Lenovo lineup is IMO garbage. Spending over 2500 euros on a machine and what you get is a dual-core and only a Intel HD graphics? Really Lenovo? The only models with a really good performance would be the P-series, but their weight is far away from "portable". Desktops PCs with a battery in my opinion.
Well you've had a bad experience and I don't have the right to say you're wrong or question your views. Sounds fair to me. Hopefully I won't have a bad experience like that! After all, I had a bad experience with my Mac and lots of others here haven't so there you go. Though personally if Dell doesn't sell aftermarket parts then they're no good to me regardless of their products, that was my problem with the Mac. Device is fantastic but the policies at Apple don't suit me personally. I did consider the XPS tho! (Refurbished at my price budget though)
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Yes, it's called Opportity Cost. The benefits sacrificed for the chosen alternative.
To me, user servicing and availability of parts are quite important!
I LOVED that Mac. I always thought when something fell off I'd be able to replace it no problem. But Apple wont let that be the case sadly.
But then be prepared to pay some very respectable $ for quite outdated hardware
Those things are literally indestructible thoughWhat a funny thing to say on an Apple forum...But then be prepared to pay some very respectable $ for quite outdated hardware
I'm not looking at the roughbooks. There are milspec laptops which aren't literal tanks that can be dropped a few times.
An an alternate reality we have the option of buying 17" TiMacBooks
I think you mean to say "MS Surface forums"
True, titanium models don't bend on fall. They just shatter.
Titanium is a very resilient and flexible material. Just because it's stiff doesn't mean it's brittle. Anyone who has ever ridden a titanium bicycle will know this.
The worst I've ever seen with a TiPB was separation between the halves .
I am certainly not questioning the mechanical properties of titanium — its an amazing material and certainly very resilient. But the old titanium Macs were prone to exactly what you mention — separation of chassis parts, which would often occur even without any mechanical stress, from old age only. Virtually every older titanium Mac I have ever had in my hands was falling apart. While aluminium on the newer Macs might be softer, the unibody construction as well as shock-absormant properties of the aluminium makes them much more sturdier in practice.