I'm scared of buying the rMBP 15 (2016)

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by facemeat, Feb 22, 2017.

  1. facemeat macrumors member

    Mar 19, 2016
    I'm positive that I want this laptop, but quite frankly all the negativity and QC issues are worry me. Bad keys, touch bar problems, cracks, scratched st cetera.
    I want to buy a machine for $4000, I expect it to last for at least 5 years! But, I'm worried it won't.. I just want to hear some users who are happy with their computers. This will be my main machine so I can't have it be sent to the Apple Store every other week.
    I've searched for a 2015 model with the GPU, but haven't found one where I live.

    Please share your positive opinions!
  2. john.simatos macrumors newbie

    Feb 7, 2017
    Tb 2016 or rMBP? I have the tb. No issues at all don't forget forums are places where people come to troubleshoot and not gloat about perfectly working products.
  3. ronaldcastillo macrumors 6502a

    Oct 25, 2009
    I originally ordered the 2.7GHz/512GB/460GPU back in October, but kept having issues with mines (scratch near the keyboard, keyboard clicking, battery issues, clicking noise, etc) I did exchange it twice but those had similar issues as well. Decided to wait it out for a month or two. Placed a new order last week for a 2.6GHz/256GB/460GPU and got it in this morning. Unfortunately, it came with a scratch on the left side grill instead of right. :( Debating if I should just keep it or try one more time.

  4. facemeat thread starter macrumors member

    Mar 19, 2016
    2016 tb MBP 15 (512gb, 460), sorry if that was unclear. Ouch, that scratch looks bad! Things like that have had me looking for the GPU 2015 model, but as I mentioned I haven't found one.
  5. leman macrumors G3

    Oct 14, 2008
    Thats what warranty is for.

    That logic never applied to computers. A laptop is not a wardrobe or a coffee maker, where better craftsmanship ensures longevity. All essential computer components are come from a small number of sources, whether you buy a cheap computer or a premium one. The more expensive price gets you better features and more premium build quality. However, what can and does affect longevity is the quality of the power subsystem (PSU/capacitors etc.) — and this is where Apple traditionally shines, as they use more expensive and higher quality components than some others.
  6. Sanpete macrumors 68020

    Nov 17, 2016
    I'm perfectly happy with mine. I haven't had any of the issues some people are, quite naturally, upset about. The screen is even, no rattles, no scratches, no repeated glitches, no crashes, no noises. I like the keyboard, which isn't loud when I use it. Great screen, quality speakers, stability. No problems with adapters. I don't push it hard, though, mostly browsing, video or audio streaming and word processing for now, pretty much all day everyday this time of year. Battery life for my use when I tested once was over 11 hours. 2.7 455 512 silver, received in early December.

    You can find some other comments in an earlier thread:

  7. ZapNZs, Feb 22, 2017
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    ZapNZs macrumors 68020


    Jan 23, 2017
    If you like the 2016 more than the 2015, I say go for the 2016. If you like the 2015 more, I highly recommend the dGPU refurbs...the mid-level 2015 with the 2.5/512/dGPU for $2,100 is a great price for a great computer. The full package performance of the 2016 can't be overlooked either, especially for those working with higher res videos.

    I'm always personally a little hesitant of premiere models having had some inconsistent experiences with multiple brands. But I'm ready to buy a 2016-13, as a huge portion of the initial quirks appear to be more software related than hardware related (where as the premiere 2012 retinas had some notable hardware-based issues, such as image retention and screen flickering.)

    At the same time, the frequency of these cosmetic flaws that are blatant and should have absolutely been spotted by any of the (likely many) people doing final inspection can ruin the experience of a great design, and would be nearly comical if they weren't so frustrating. A scratch like that is like delivering a brand new Ferrari with key marks on the door handle. If I was charged with handling the final inspection, even if I was drunk, high, missing an eye, nursing several bullet wounds, and dealing with a bad case of botulism, I think I could still probably spot that and say, "yo, this isn't gonna fly." So I don't give Apple a pass here, and feel this is an area they can improve.

    Bear in mind that forums may have more stories of issues than they will of successes, and the higher pricing on the 2016 likely means higher expectations than previous models (and it should, given it's a huge chunk of change.)

    It's also worth pointing out that a huge percentage of Buyers who wound up getting a 2016 that had an individual defect ultimately chose to try again with another (and in some cases, another-another) 2016. Considering how frustrating that can be, if they didn't really like the design, I doubt they would try again (they'd just go for a different year or leave Apple altogether.)
  8. Queen6 macrumors 604


    Dec 11, 2008
    Flying over the rainforest at dawn - Priceless
    Wait on the 2nd Gen, let Apple work out the kinks, unless you have a direct need immediately. For $4K you want a well resolved notebook, right now there are numerous threads with owners concerns, equally I agree forums are a magnet for those with issue. In many respects common sense dictates that Apple will learn a great deal from the 2016 MBP, rectifying & improving for 2017, and all honesty as a longterm owner of the 15" MBP it's always been that way, with the 2nd/3rd Gen models offering the better balance.

  9. Karnicopia macrumors 6502

    Mar 27, 2015
    Haven't had any issues and this is by far the best laptop I ever had. I did have battery issues in the beginning but for me it wasn't spotlight indexing it was photos agent running and then I was getting a lot of usage from my email synching because I have a lot of data in both. After that settled down I'm happy with the battery life. Really like the machine though the screen is the best I've ever seen on a laptop, the speakers are the best I've ever seen on a laptop, the trackpad is the best I've ever seen on a laptop and IMO the keyboard is the best I've ever seen on a laptop. That's pretty much every way I interact with it so it all adds up to some thing really great for me. I know some people have issues with the keyboard but I really love it and the older keyboards feel sloppy in comparison after a while.

    Maybe you don't get desktop performance, or hardcore gaming grunt and the processor may not blow the previous version out of the water but in actual usage as a laptop it's really impressive to me.
  10. Hieveryone macrumors 68040

    Apr 11, 2014
    Well Applecare can extended the warranty I think. But it probably costs a lot.

    I'm sure a lot of people are happy with their Macbooks, but I wouldn't know. I have a 2013 rMBP 13" and it's great (knock on wood)
  11. pocketdoc macrumors 6502a

    Apr 15, 2008
    No problems here.

    It is easy to scratch aluminum. I don't think they advertised this as scratch-proof. Do you have a metal watch on your left wrist?
  12. TofSanity macrumors 6502a


    Oct 29, 2010
    I have a MacBook Pro TB 15" and love it! I am coming from a 2012 15" MacBook Pro. I am not having any issues. The keyboard isn't a problem for me. I feel my typing is becoming better and faster. I don't use the touch bar much just out of no real need at the moment. When I do use it its just for volume control. I also never used the function keys on my other laptops. Don't allow the negativity to push you away from something you want.
  13. jerryk macrumors 601

    Nov 3, 2011
    SF Bay Area
    A number of people reported scratches right out of the box. There are several thread about sending the units back and getting unit with a different defect as a replacement.
  14. SDColorado Contributor


    Nov 6, 2011
    Highlands Ranch, CO
    I love mine. No issues, I found the keyboard easy to adapt to and use. Is it a little on the noisy side? Yes, but not to the point of where it annoys me or is in any way a deal breaker. If you get one with a scratch or a problem, bring it back and get another. Issues are always over-represented on forums. If you ever want to talk yourself out of a purchase, the product forum for that item is the place to visit :)
  15. AppleFanatic10 macrumors 68030


    Nov 2, 2010
    Hawthorne, CA
    I don't have the TB version or the 15" MBP, but I can tell you that not all MacBook Pros are having this problem. I haven't heard anything about cracks. On the forums, you don't usually hear anything about how good a MacBook is working or how much people love them, you'll usually hear about the problems people are having with them because people who aren't having problems stay quiet.
  16. phas3 macrumors 65816

    Oct 5, 2008
    no problems here, love my 15". I might sell this one later down the road for the refresh though...the addiction is real.
  17. Mindinversion macrumors 6502


    Oct 9, 2008
    The bottom line is, one hundred million people could have a positive experience, 10 people could have a horrible experience, and the ONLY ones you're going to hear about are those 10..... because people do not generally review or complain when everything "just works".

    The majority of complaints about the 2016 MbP are from people who are resistant to change. They dislike things they do not understand, and condemn them because, since they have no use for a particular feature, NOBODY should. The world has ended. . no MagSafe! Touch Bar, nobody needs THAT piece of garbage! "Why can't Apple just leave it like it WAS"!!!!

    These are the same people, by the way, who were crying up a storm because it took so long for a MacBook Pro refresh! All these poor people said they wanted change, wanted the "next Generation" . . and then promptly turned salty when things /gasp .. CHANGED!!!!!!

    Now, that's not to say that there haven't been a few isolated QC issues on the 2016 MacBook Pros. It's been the best selling MacBook yet, and no matter how diligent your Quality Control is. . you're going to have a certain percentage of defects. The odds of you getting one of those are minimal, and the reason you keep hearing about them is because of paragraph 1, so don't overthink it. If you want one, BUY ONE. If you're that terrified of defects, get one from your local Brick and Mortar store [Bbuy, Apple, W/e] and test/inspect before leaving the store.

    Mine was a BTO 15" 2.9 1TB Pro 460. The machine has been FLAWLESS since day one. I wouldn't trade her for any other machine out there [exempting my Desktop PC, of course]
  18. AndrewR23 macrumors 68040

    Jun 24, 2010
    QC is poor. And according to macrumors buyers guide, it says neutral. With that, and the poor QC, id stay away. The next MBP which will probably be less than a year away will have fixed the buttons, touch bar lag etc. I owned it for about 10 days before returning.

    Quality did not justify the price.
  19. James.K.Polk macrumors 6502a


    Aug 31, 2015
    Just got one yesterday. In 12h of use, absolutely no issues. Certainly nothing cosmetic. I say go for it; I've never had an issue return or replacing an Apple product if it had a problem, anyway!

    Edit: FWIW, I got the silver 15" base.
  20. axiomatic macrumors newbie


    Jun 21, 2015
    It's overpriced but you can never doubt Apple's QC. A tiny percentage of god knows how many customers have had slight issues, and don't forget you have a warranty. I don't understand the complaints about the keys either, they're so much better than before honestly.
  21. Mindinversion macrumors 6502


    Oct 9, 2008
    Except they can't fix them, because they're not broken...

    I'm starting to suspect that some
    of the complaints about these things are [l]user error...
  22. facemeat thread starter macrumors member

    Mar 19, 2016
    Thanks for some comforting words!
    Will be replacing a desktop and MacBook 2016 with the machine (no room in my apartment) so been eyeing a larger laptop, thus the rMBP 15 appears to be perfect. Some what portable for the academy, yet powerful enough to handle Lightroom and photoshop for some hobby photography (around 500gb of images in raw/jpg).
    I don't mind the MacBooks keyboard for an example, but I haven't experienced any particularly loud clicking noise when under load, apparently a common issue for a lot of people here.

    Will probably be ordering the model in mid march, will definitely report back when I get it!
  23. kbk75 macrumors regular

    Feb 3, 2009
    I've had my 15" 2016 for nearly three weeks, absolutely no problems with it whatsoever, barring a very small dent it came with at the top right-hand edge of the screen. It's really very small and I am now over the disappointment of finding it. It's a nice computer. Far from perfect and too expensive in my opinion but I would not swap this one for any other brand notebook.
  24. deelgeel macrumors newbie


    Feb 23, 2017
    Dallas Texas
    I was worried too before buying mine. I read reviews and everything that was written here by the first people to buy. I really needed a new laptop though and after going into an Apple Store and trying the 2016 15" I decided to take a chance and get one. I ordered online and got the 2.9 processor 512 SSD and 460 G

    I'm glad that I got it, and am extremely happy with how useful the touchbar is. The only issues I have with mine are that it does shut down every now and then while in sleep, but I find that turning off bluetooth before sleep seems to stop that problem for me.

    Hope whatever you do works out in the best possible way.
  25. Samuelsan2001 macrumors 604

    Oct 24, 2013
    Don't be scared it's just a laptop, they aren't known for their homocidal tendencies.

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