I'm sick and tired of macrumors forum…

[icanhazmac]

Sometimes I wish there was more of an upvote/downvote system like Ars Technica uses. Posts that get a lot of downvotes get hidden (but not deleted), and anecdotally I think it tends to bury a lot of the less useful and most inflammatory stuff.

Ug, please no!

In a perfect world, where people can behave like civilized beings, I might agree with you but in todays polarized world I would hate to see every single Tesla post buried in virtue signaling disagree hell. In this scenario, little mobs of as few as 10 members, could try and control what gets seen. In most threads 5-10 disagree votes could bury otherwise completely valid posts that don't fit certain narratives.

I think the way we have it now works well. Emoji reactions act as unofficial polls for each post. The virtue signalers are easy to spot along with people that simply disagree (or angry) certain members posts as a troll. Otherwise, one is able to register their opinion in a way that doesn't really mean anything.

 

[avro707]

Sometimes I wish there was more of an upvote/downvote system like Ars Technica uses. Posts that get a lot of downvotes get hidden (but not deleted), and anecdotally I think it tends to bury a lot of the less useful and most inflammatory stuff.

That could be misused to get useful posts hidden if someone wanted to stir up trouble.

Say someone dislikes classic Mac Pros and goes and gets people to downvote the Opencore topic and it is hidden.

 

[TechRunner]

I've only had one interaction with a moderator, and that was when a handful of us effectively hijacked a thread by wandering off-topic. The mod very politely explained why our comments were being removed and encouraged us to launch a new thread.

I found that response perfectly even-handed, and I agreed with the moderator 100%.

 

[svenmany]

You are not your work product. Don't be traumatized if someone doesn't like your post.

Just to be sure I was clear...I wouldn't be bothered if a moderator removed a post of mine. It's happened to me and every time it has, it made sense to me. But, I would be bothered if I were suspended.

I exaggerated when I said I would be traumatized if suspended. I should have said that if I were suspended then I'd be worried that I wasn't a good fit for a community that I enjoy.

 

[spunkybart]

Reddit.

Definitely Reddit! I was banned from 1 subreddit...I don't usually view the sub's rules before I post since I'm pretty polite. But I did something wrong and whack -- suspended permanently from that sub!

Of course I was able to pick up the pieces and move on with my life, but it did surprise me! 😁

 

[xJustxMegx]

Reddit sucks to be honest. I was banned somehow from a subreddit which I didn't know and interacted with my other account, both accounts banned.

 

[lovehateapple]

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

I feel your pain.

 

[seek3r]

…and its moderators suspending me for breaking the forum rules. For stupid, silly little reasons that I won't go into here, because I post this not to argue about it, I just want to explain why you won't be seeing me much on the forums from now on. If you're a moderator, I'm sure you will be able to find the reasons for my suspensions, and what posts triggered them.

I feel I'm being treated like a child and I feel unwelcome. Anyone who has seen my posts in the forums I'm sure will agree with me that I have always been polite, positive and constructive. I have many years of experience and knowledge that I've tried to share with the community, but this last suspension was the last straw.

I will no longer participate in the forums like I have before. IMO, it's macrumors and its forum users' loss, not mine.

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

I’ve been here for nearly a decade longer than you, my account is coming up on 15 years old now, I’ve gotten maybe 3 or 4 posts swatted by modmins in that time, all of which I’ll freely admit were legit, the two I can recall were me getting a bit heated in a politics thread, what the hell are you posting to be getting smacked by the mods a lot?

 

[seek3r]

Ug, please no!

In a perfect world, where people can behave like civilized beings, I might agree with you but in todays polarized world I would hate to see every single Tesla post buried in virtue signaling disagree hell. In this scenario, little mobs of as few as 10 members, could try and control what gets seen. In most threads 5-10 disagree votes could bury otherwise completely valid posts that don't fit certain narratives.

I think the way we have it now works well. Emoji reactions act as unofficial polls for each post. The virtue signalers are easy to spot along with people that simply disagree (or angry) certain members posts as a troll. Otherwise, one is able to register their opinion in a way that doesn't really mean anything.

That’s where a meta-moderation system like /. uses comes in handy (or it did before /. became mostly a ghost town anyway), it’s too bad that’s never caught on anywhere else

 

[TheGenerous]

I'd like to propose an iJustine section where we can all of us fans post threads about iJustine related content. Please make it easy to monetize

 

[2024]

Ben, you were helpful to me in my first year with a Mac, and I for one am sad to see you go. Thanks again for your patient explanations to a newb.

 

[krull1015]

…and its moderators suspending me for breaking the forum rules. For stupid, silly little reasons that I won't go into here, because I post this not to argue about it, I just want to explain why you won't be seeing me much on the forums from now on. If you're a moderator, I'm sure you will be able to find the reasons for my suspensions, and what posts triggered them.

I feel I'm being treated like a child and I feel unwelcome. Anyone who has seen my posts in the forums I'm sure will agree with me that I have always been polite, positive and constructive. I have many years of experience and knowledge that I've tried to share with the community, but this last suspension was the last straw.

I will no longer participate in the forums like I have before. IMO, it's macrumors and its forum users' loss, not mine.

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

I agree 👍🏻👍🏻
If MacRumors is a technology news website focused primarily on Apple products then why are they reporting on “political” topics and then limiting who can comment on the topic. Absolutely makes no sense except “control” which limits discussions and prevents people from exercising freedom of speech.

 

[krull1015]

I've been suspended once - what I learned was: don't post anything from any emotional view, whatsoever.
If you are emotional when writing a post, fine, leave it, but don't post it.
Go do something else, and if you in the next few days still feel you want to post what you wrote, go ahead. But usually you don't.
Some people think that's an accomplishment to post more on MR - it isn't - it's about your mind, and how you use it to navigate in life.
You are not your mind, you are the consciousness behind it - that is a lot more interesting to explore, then definding the little mind.

Very stoic - well said 👍🏻

 

[seek3r]

I agree 👍🏻👍🏻
If MacRumors is a technology news website focused primarily on Apple products then why are they reporting on “political” topics and then limiting who can comment on the topic.

This might shock you but politics and the tech world dont exist in separate vacuums, they both deeply affect and are intertwined with the other, especially when the core topic is the most valuable company in the world, and when MR reports on those intersections if they dont moderate it it turns into a garbage fire flame war (which, unless you’re like 12, you should already know, welcome to the internet). In particular new accounts without a posting history are ripe options for astroturfing and trolling.

Absolutely makes no sense except “control” which limits discussions and prevents people from exercising freedom of speech.

Dude, “free speech” is about the government not restricting speech, MR can stop people from starting massive flame wars and keep people from being massive dicks (yes, including me) to their heart’s content. And if you hate it so much here no one is forcing you to be here.

 

[icanhazmac]

I agree 👍🏻👍🏻
If MacRumors is a technology news website focused primarily on Apple products then why are they reporting on “political” topics and then limiting who can comment on the topic. Absolutely makes no sense except “control” which limits discussions and prevents people from exercising freedom of speech.

Perhaps if you were a more active member of the community.......

You have to see the logic behind this choice? Do we really need waves of fake accounts being created only to spam certain threads/topics?

 

[Lioness~]

I also put a lot of people on ignore, and it's nothing personal.
Sometimes they stays there, sometimes I unignore them after some time, but mostly they go back to my ignore list.
As it goes, in a world of ignorance, we need to ignore the ignorant.

I've meditaded a long time - it doesn't by any means that I reached any perfection - I'm still walking this earth and are very much a human. But awareness grows.
But, there's people that just want to trigger folks, to involve them, to get their own garbage out.
Don't, absolutely don't, forget the bezzerwizzer's, they also love to drag people into their discussions, to show how much they think they know to belittle other's.

 

[kpluck]

…and its moderators suspending me for breaking the forum rules. For stupid, silly little reasons that I won't go into here,

So what I am reading here indicates you were breaking forum rules but you consider these particular rules stupid and they shouldn't be enforced.

Life is full of rules. Your choices are to obey the rules or violate the rules and suffer the consequences. In some cases, like this forum, you can also choose to not participate and find something else more to your liking.

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

Then you should probably head to the forums that are run the way you think they should be run.

All you are doing now is causing yourself more frustration/aggravation and making more work for the moderators.

-kp

 

[seek3r]

Then you should probably head to the forums that are run the way you think they should be run.

All you are doing now is causing yourself more frustration/aggravation and making more work for the moderators.

-kp

It’s like walking into someone else’s house, getting grumpy that they dont want you to smoke inside, and then yelling at them.

There’s also nothing stopping the OP from creating their own forum too for that matter. If people like their rules and content they’ll get folks to use it (I personally doubt they’d succeed but they’re welcome to try).

MR’s forums, with its rules and the community here, have survived the rise of social media dominating the web with a huge amount of engagement, a period when a lot of the forum based internet withered and died, the majority it by far really, I think the staff is doing something right.

 

[svenmany]

It's OK for the OP to vent. In an ideal world they would step back, reevaluate their style in light of what's expected by the moderators, and hopefully decide to adjust so that they can continue to provide positive contributions. Advice to go elsewhere works against that outcome.

There’s also nothing stopping the OP from creating their own forum too for that matter. If people like their rules and content they’ll get folks to use it (I personally doubt they’d succeed but they’re welcome to try).

Tons of things stop most people from creating their own forum. The first things that come to mind are time, money, and technical competence.

 

[seggy]

I feel I'm being treated like a child and I feel unwelcome.

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

The two go pretty much together. There's a very " " safe space " " - and it really isn't that in most cases - aspect of certainly perceived-Apple-demographic-leaning-type forums, but also the polar opposite of them (i.e. among those with, shall we say, a Tateist outlook) that I don't like. It *is* infantile.

But of course there are also the mods from a purely workflow aspect, especially in such a forum. I'm pretty sure they don't need more work than necessary, and often it's a shorter path to warn/ban the party who has "disturbed the harmony" than making the effort to fully parse the entire convo (would you if you were a mod?).

One of the reasons I hang out more on Discord these days for general chat / co-op, among people who can not only dish it, but have the minimum level of groundedness to take it. I occasionally forget where I am though, that's on me.

 

[pauljbax]

…and its moderators suspending me for breaking the forum rules. For stupid, silly little reasons that I won't go into here, because I post this not to argue about it, I just want to explain why you won't be seeing me much on the forums from now on. If you're a moderator, I'm sure you will be able to find the reasons for my suspensions, and what posts triggered them.

I feel I'm being treated like a child and I feel unwelcome. Anyone who has seen my posts in the forums I'm sure will agree with me that I have always been polite, positive and constructive. I have many years of experience and knowledge that I've tried to share with the community, but this last suspension was the last straw.

I will no longer participate in the forums like I have before. IMO, it's macrumors and its forum users' loss, not mine.

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

You'd think it was 2021 on FaceBook sometimes... Speaking of which, there are some great Groups to join to discuss Mac stuff. I have never had an issue here but I post very rarely, however I had a friend from the UK who always got into trouble. Lighten up guys. We are talking techie stuff.

 

[bousozoku]

It's interesting to me to see this thread since the moderators seem so much less aggressive than we were but I've been nudged a couple of times.

The rules are clear and everyone agreed to them in order to join the forums.

If someone has been suspended multiple times, they're not paying attention.

 

[eyoungren]

Sometimes I wish there was more of an upvote/downvote system like Ars Technica uses. Posts that get a lot of downvotes get hidden (but not deleted), and anecdotally I think it tends to bury a lot of the less useful and most inflammatory stuff.

Ug, please no!

In a perfect world, where people can behave like civilized beings, I might agree with you but in todays polarized world I would hate to see every single Tesla post buried in virtue signaling disagree hell. In this scenario, little mobs of as few as 10 members, could try and control what gets seen. In most threads 5-10 disagree votes could bury otherwise completely valid posts that don't fit certain narratives.

I think the way we have it now works well. Emoji reactions act as unofficial polls for each post. The virtue signalers are easy to spot along with people that simply disagree (or angry) certain members posts as a troll. Otherwise, one is able to register their opinion in a way that doesn't really mean anything.

That could be misused to get useful posts hidden if someone wanted to stir up trouble.

Say someone dislikes classic Mac Pros and goes and gets people to downvote the Opencore topic and it is hidden.

Speaking solely to an upvote/downvote system…

When I joined here (August 2011) there was an upvote button, but no downvote button. About a year later, after outcry, the downvote button was enabled.

What resulted was upvote/downvote wars. You had groups competing to defend a post by upvote and destroy the same post by downvote.

After a short while, the downvote button was again disabled. Most people were spending their time, not in replying, but in pushing buttons.

Three forum software changes later, the downvote button has still not made a return and I highly doubt it ever will.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Three forum software changes later, the downvote button has still not made a return and I highly doubt it ever will.

Down votes are definitely still here in certain forum areas

 

[Ben J.]

Please stay on-topic or create a new thread. I thought my opening post was pretty clear that my gripe is with the mods' execution of their power to suspend users, not with the rules themselves. And that they should use more common sense when doing their moderating.