You have to open something to get to it. Unless you want to store all your documents on your desktop not in folders.
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I'm sick of iPhoto.... any other suggestions?
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You have to open something to get to it. Unless you want to store all your documents on your desktop not in folders.
What if that photo is one among hundreds? Not only that, but you haven't named the files so they're all IMG_xxxx? All you know is the event that your picture was taken at. Imagine browsing a folder full of pictures; what a time waster. iPhoto sure would've helped.
Nope. Makes no sense whatsoever.
I need to check my emails, but I resent the fact I have to open Mail. Note sarcasm alert.
Why can't Mail and iPhoto just know what I am thinking and do it for me???
wow. you people have a hard time with others not liking your way of doing something? i expect to have to open mail to read mail, duh! but opening iphoto to get at a single photo do use in another application isn't effective. for starters, if i want to use a photo in mail, mail will pull open a finder like window so i can choose the file i want to attach (most applications do this as well). iphoto's way of handling photos makes picking the photo with these finder windows all but impossible. i guess by your reasoning, if i want to attach a document in an email, it makes more sense to open word/pages and drag it into mail? personally, it doesn't make sense with either documents or photos. that is why it doesn't make sense to me to have to open another application to get at a file (no matter the file type) when the application i'm already in is giving me access to the folders/files.
the point is well taken about a file with a lot of photos in it, but i usually name my photos and keep them well organized so this isn't an issue for me.
the point is well taken about a file with a lot of photos in it, but i usually name my photos and keep them well organized so this isn't an issue for me.
Thread Starter, did the camera you use come with any software.
I use a crappy older Cannon Powershot A520.
It came with a pretty good batch of software, and the recent free updates from the cannon website make it all universal binary, so it now is very fast on my mid 2007 iMac.
Their latest version of "ImageBrowser" is quite nice, I personally like it better than iPhoto. It does not take your photos hostage. (a loaded statement, here come the fanboy attacks).
This line of cannon software cannot be purchased by itself, but if you go out and buy their cheapest camera, you get it all for free. Or, do you know anybody with a cannon digital camera (I think we all do)?
ImageBrowser even now comes with basic .avi manipulation abilities, for those little movies one can make with their point and shoot digital cameras.
I really do not get the itunes/iphoto comparisons. I am under the belief that people tend to want to "do" far more things with their photos than with their music: I only listen to songs, I can think of about a dozen things i want to do with a photo. Maybe that is just me, coming form a graphic artist background.
Also, I have used Mac's exclusively my entire life, since 1987. I do not even know how to use Window OS, seriously. so the whole "window's-habits" thing does not apply to me.
I am not an iphoto hater, I am just not a lover of it. Cannon's ImageBrowser does all i need it to.
I use a crappy older Cannon Powershot A520.
It came with a pretty good batch of software, and the recent free updates from the cannon website make it all universal binary, so it now is very fast on my mid 2007 iMac.
Their latest version of "ImageBrowser" is quite nice, I personally like it better than iPhoto. It does not take your photos hostage. (a loaded statement, here come the fanboy attacks).
This line of cannon software cannot be purchased by itself, but if you go out and buy their cheapest camera, you get it all for free. Or, do you know anybody with a cannon digital camera (I think we all do)?
ImageBrowser even now comes with basic .avi manipulation abilities, for those little movies one can make with their point and shoot digital cameras.
I really do not get the itunes/iphoto comparisons. I am under the belief that people tend to want to "do" far more things with their photos than with their music: I only listen to songs, I can think of about a dozen things i want to do with a photo. Maybe that is just me, coming form a graphic artist background.
Also, I have used Mac's exclusively my entire life, since 1987. I do not even know how to use Window OS, seriously. so the whole "window's-habits" thing does not apply to me.
I am not an iphoto hater, I am just not a lover of it. Cannon's ImageBrowser does all i need it to.
I have to agree with the "Why do I have to have iPhoto open to do this?" I've found it fairly inconsistent throughout the OS as to when I'll have access to individual photos. Many times I'll open something, needing to attach a photo or something and I can see the "iPhoto Gallery" (or whatever it's called) icon, but there is no way to dig down into it to get to the photos. This then necessitates opening iPhoto to be able to drag the photo over to it.
I can't remember how mail.app in Leopard handles it, but I'll often start typing an email and decide halfway through I want to attach an image. Having to then open iPhoto to do that is a waste of time, when I should be able to hit the attachment button and properly get to the photo that way. At least make the "iPhoto Gallery" browsable instead of an icon teasing me with the fact that "they're here, but you can't get them, buhahahaaaa".
Other programs DO give you access to the entire gallery outside of iPhoto - namely the other iLife apps like iDVD and iMovie, all of your photos are selectable within those programs.
This is also particularly irritating when I'm browsing a website and want to upload a photo and there isn't an actual file for me to select unless I go into iPhoto and export it to the desktop. I can't believe anyone would argue this is a good and elegant way of doing things.
I can't remember how mail.app in Leopard handles it, but I'll often start typing an email and decide halfway through I want to attach an image. Having to then open iPhoto to do that is a waste of time, when I should be able to hit the attachment button and properly get to the photo that way. At least make the "iPhoto Gallery" browsable instead of an icon teasing me with the fact that "they're here, but you can't get them, buhahahaaaa".
Other programs DO give you access to the entire gallery outside of iPhoto - namely the other iLife apps like iDVD and iMovie, all of your photos are selectable within those programs.
This is also particularly irritating when I'm browsing a website and want to upload a photo and there isn't an actual file for me to select unless I go into iPhoto and export it to the desktop. I can't believe anyone would argue this is a good and elegant way of doing things.
This is one of the things that used to drive me crazy, needing to export a picture to the desktop from iPhoto to upload it. That's one of the things I like about Leopard, that there is a separate "Media" section in the open dialog boxes that gives you have access to the iPhoto library so you no longer have to export the picture to the desktop to upload.
Oh? There is? I hadn't needed to do that since upgrading to Leopard so it's good to know that that at least has been addressed. I can't remember if the times I've run into this issue were pre or post-Leopard, so I'll just have to play around this weekend and make sure.
Out of curiosity (since I'm at work and can't check on my iMac), can you actually use finder to browse photos by clicking the "iPhoto Gallery" icond in Leopard? I can't be sure if I've tried that since installing leopard.
I posted a screen shot so you can see what I was talking about as far as the media part of the dialog box.
From within Finder, though, it's the same as it was before. Double clicking on the iPhoto Library opens iPhoto. You can still right/control click on it and click "Show Package Contents" to see what's in the actual folder.
Attachments
Duh
DRAG TO DESKTOP, OR CLICK E-MAIL BUTTON! SO HARD I KNOW, OR USE BUILT IN MEDIA BROWSERS ON EVERYTHING
DRAG TO DESKTOP, OR CLICK E-MAIL BUTTON! SO HARD I KNOW, OR USE BUILT IN MEDIA BROWSERS ON EVERYTHING
How about Adobe PS Lightroom? Great program i hear, if you are willing to pay for it.
Or if that's a bit more than you need, how about PhotoPresenter - though it is similar to iPhoto, it is quite good for slideshows etc.
do you read??
so please tell me again why i should have to open a seperate app and drag it to the desktop? if you like working this way, do you open pages/word to drag a document to the desktop 1st? i doubt it. so why should i be expected to do that for a photo?? geesh. is it "hard"? no. but why walk thru unnecessary steps when i don't for other types of files??
glad to hear leopard fixes this. now when i get my copy, i can consider using iphoto.
so please tell me again why i should have to open a seperate app and drag it to the desktop? if you like working this way, do you open pages/word to drag a document to the desktop 1st? i doubt it. so why should i be expected to do that for a photo?? geesh. is it "hard"? no. but why walk thru unnecessary steps when i don't for other types of files??
glad to hear leopard fixes this. now when i get my copy, i can consider using iphoto.
Because it is faster!! Try it.
I bet you it takes you a few seconds longer to follow down various folder paths in finder to get to your file, especially when named IMG_XXX. Or do you rename each and every picture file?
I gather you don't have many photos. You analogy breaks down significantly when you consider that most people have 10's of Word documents, but 1000's of photos.
Opening iPhoto (in my case Aperture) and clicking a search is far faster than digging into the hierarchy of folders that would be necessary to be able to find a photo efficiently, not to mention the time that would be required to design and maintain that hierarchy.
Actually I'm not even sure how I would organize that so I would be able to find it efficiently? If I have a Christmas photo of my son -- do you do it by date (now I can't find it if what I'm looking for is kid pictures), by subject ( does it go into the "family" folder or the "Christmas" folder?) or create symlinks and put it everywhere?
do you do this for your document files too? do you seriously start an email, stop, open pages/word, find file, drag it to the desktop, go back to your email, drag it into your email, then send it? no. so why do that to attach a photo when it should be unneccessary.
i don't rename every photo. but i do put them in appropriate folders so finding what i need is easy. much easier than opening a 2nd app, finding it, dragging it to the desktop, then dragging it into my email. but if your way suits you, fine. do it.
You are still misunderstanding. This is a one-step process. Drag the picture from iPhoto into the mail message.
Out of curiosity I just did a count -- I have 40 word processor documents, and 10,000 pictures. Are you seriously suggesting that an efficient system for 40 documents is going to scale and be just as efficient for 10,000?
Currently I am looking into getting a new canon but the pictures I have right now are about 2000 pictures (personal and professional) accumulated over the years. My main annoyance with iphoto is that I have no access to the picture library in the finder (yes, I do know you can open the package and do stuff but no real access like word documents).
Here is where this becomes a problem:
There are many times I wanted to put a photo into a word document, powerpoint file, pdf, webpage, etc. (basically things outside the realm of one-click usability in iphoto like email). I don't have leopard so I didn't know you could media browse with it but it does still seem a little proprietary to do this with these types of documents. Plus, I really dislike having to open iphoto (and wait for it) just to manage a picture file. Windows has this much better with their folder views that allow you to just see snapshots of the image in the folder so you can browse them easily. Either way, I am sticking with iphoto for now (unhappily) until I can find something better - the entire reason for this post.
Okay, maybe I'm still misunderstanding -- If you're looking for a finder layout where you can see previews of the images why isn't a folder in Column View sufficient?
Ever since they cleaned up the iPhoto directory structure, if you *do* want to it is quite easy to find a photo location
iPhoto Library -> Data -> Year -> Roll Name
Once you're in there with column view, you can easiy flip through the pictures and see the preview rendered in the preview column.
Because you can't just view all the pictures in a folder, you have to scroll down and look at each one individually. I have all my pictures from a certain event in a folder called, for example, Sam's 5th Birthday - if I open that folder in windows I can see all the pictures immediately in thumbnail view whereas in finder I have to scroll through each one.
That is because iPhoto is meant to be a replacement for a file viewer for photos. It really works wonderfully in that respect. On the other hand, iTunes complements Finder for finding audio files.
Finally downloaded the latest version.
It has a lot of potential, but it crashes every time I move a picture to another folder. Hopefully it's a bug that will get fixed soon!
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8204
(you have to have an older version to install it though)
It seems illogical to me at this point in computing history to have to open a program to browse photos when it is so easily done by the OS. I love apple but this is one thing that windows xp has over it.
I would recommend iView MediaPro. I can't stand iPhoto and ever since I got iView I haven't looked back - it's got a very good interface for organising and looking through thousands of photos, and when you make any changes to a photo - like renaming it etc - it will change that actual photo, wherever it is on your hard drive, rather than creating a copy of it.