iMac Pro and 2018 MacBook Pro Systems Must Pass Apple Diagnostics to Function After Certain Repairs [Updated]

[DeepIn2U]

https://ifixit.org/blog/11673/t2-mac-repairs-test/

A MUST read for those in this thread or who own the 2018 MBP models!! Much appreciated for this link.

Then we disassembled it and traded displays with our teardown unit from this summer. To our surprise, the displays and MacBooks functioned normally in every combination we tried. We also updated to Mojave and swapped logic boards with the same results.

That’s a promising sign, and it means the sky isn’t quite falling—yet. But as we’ve learned, nothing is certain. Apple has a string of software-blocked repair scandals under its belt, including the device-disabling Error 53, a functionality-throttling Batterygate, and repeated feature-disabling incidents. It’s very possible that a future software update could render these “incomplete repairs” inoperative,

Honestly I don’t see the TP2 as an alarming issue nor Apple’s AST2 service software diagnostics. At work I support Windows 10 with Lenovo X1 Carbon 5/6th gen computers that use NMVE gen 4 SSD (speeds comparable to Smasung 960EVO) and High Sierra.

I’ve already run into Windows Bitlocker which rendered an NMVE useless to Windows after a bBIOS/UEFI firmware update direct from Lenovo 3mths ago. Without Lenovo’s branded Drive Erase Tool the NMVE will not be recognized as a drive in Windows 10 ~ including the ISO boot tools. 1TB is a lot to waste and even Lenovo technicians could not restore it - not have Drive Erase on hand - this relaxes the Drive.

Apple’s TP2 is acting just like Bitlocker with on SSD encryption enclave would for Windows computers. The only difference is it’s a logic board lock down. Honestly Apple should allow iCloud to fully lock down a MBP! This would boost corporate ownership of macs due to security.
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It’s not making it “easier”. If its proprietary to only Apple and authorized repair shops and HAS TO BE performed then it should be available to any repair shop to purchase the equipment. That would be like a car manufacturer saying you can’t change your own brake pads without a scan tool that you cannot buy and have to go to the dealer.

No it shouldn’t be available to any repair shop. Those that are NOT authorized should not be messing with your Mac.

How many years have Windows gamer users that build their machines go through support merry-go-rounds in the past with “we don’t support that!” Roadblocks because 1 component in the logic board or part was not supported to be comoatible to work or drivers failing or firmware for a GPU etc ?!!! Trust me you don’t ever want to get that from Apple cause a repair shop used a non authorized third part part to repair your Mac (LCD, chip on Logic Board for LEd backlight, etc) regardless of what “warranty” of 90 days that shop offers.

The link to ifixit supplied earlier specifically states some very high up authorized dealers will get access to AST2 mentioned in this article as those shops are heavily restricted to what parts they can use for repair!!

You cannot support nor fix what is unknown in your computer - this is what’s Apple’s stance is and I’m glad for it. Sure I’m worried for 3-4yr in the future but I may upgrade then who knows.

Apple’s and Windows software is not pushing the cpu any longer and hasn’t for years. Sure cpu usage still goes up yet that’s due to poor coding not performance needs of software. Only some games really push the hardware components which is sad really.

 

[Sedulous]

A MUST read for those in this thread or who own the 2018 MBP models!! Much appreciated for this link.



Honestly I don’t see the TP2 as an alarming issue nor Apple’s AST2 service software diagnostics. At work I support Windows 10 with Lenovo X1 Carbon 5/6th gen computers that use NMVE gen 4 SSD (speeds comparable to Smasung 960EVO) and High Sierra.

I’ve already run into Windows Bitlocker which rendered an NMVE useless to Windows after a bBIOS/UEFI firmware update direct from Lenovo 3mths ago. Without Lenovo’s branded Drive Erase Tool the NMVE will not be recognized as a drive in Windows 10 ~ including the ISO boot tools. 1TB is a lot to waste and even Lenovo technicians could not restore it - not have Drive Erase on hand - this relaxes the Drive.

Apple’s TP2 is acting just like Bitlocker with on SSD encryption enclave would for Windows computers. The only difference is it’s a logic board lock down. Honestly Apple should allow iCloud to fully lock down a MBP! This would boost corporate ownership of macs due to security.
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No it shouldn’t be available to any repair shop. Those that are NOT authorized should not be messing with your Mac.

How many years have Windows gamer users that build their machines go through support merry-go-rounds in the past with “we don’t support that!” Roadblocks because 1 component in the logic board or part was not supported to be comoatible to work or drivers failing or firmware for a GPU etc ?!!! Trust me you don’t ever want to get that from Apple cause a repair shop used a non authorized third part part to repair your Mac (LCD, chip on Logic Board for LEd backlight, etc) regardless of what “warranty” of 90 days that shop offers.

The link to ifixit supplied earlier specifically states some very high up authorized dealers will get access to AST2 mentioned in this article as those shops are heavily restricted to what parts they can use for repair!!

You cannot support nor fix what is unknown in your computer - this is what’s Apple’s stance is and I’m glad for it. Sure I’m worried for 3-4yr in the future but I may upgrade then who knows.

Apple’s and Windows software is not pushing the cpu any longer and hasn’t for years. Sure cpu usage still goes up yet that’s due to poor coding not performance needs of software. Only some games really push the hardware components which is sad really.

Do you really believe what you posted?

 

[luvr]

Why is the richest company in the world being so money grubbing

Because otherwise they would never have become the richest company in the world in the first place, would they?

 

[SkyBell]

Man, I was already not going to buy any new Macs due to all the soldered on and glued in hardware - Now I probably wouldn't even accept one for free unless just to immediately resell it.

I still enjoy macOS Apple - everything else about you, not so much.

 

[mrboult]

Because otherwise they would never have become the richest company in the world in the first place, would they?

Lol. I admit they've never given a crap about ease of repairability or upgradability vs their product vision. But this concept was too far. Been partially debunked at this point I think. . Something about fixit performing replacements with out issue. But I sure hope this step is never made. It's just too malicious

 

[jweinraub]

I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed by the new Mac Pro. It’s not going to be nearly as upgradable as people hope. It will be “modular” - and you’ll have to buy all of your “modules” from Apple. Because, you know, security!!! It’s pretty obvious that Apple is taking the Mac in an extremely closed/proprietary direction.

Such a shame. The exact opposite of what Wozniak wanted. I would be curious to know how different Apple would have been had he stayed, regardless of what happened to Jobs. Though in that itself I wish he didn't eschew western medicine early on as I truly believe he would be still alive.

 

[Martinsen]

Can't wait for Louis Rossmann's rant video on this.

Not sarcasm. That guy is a repair genius and is a huge champion for right-to-repair, and his opinionated rant videos are quite fun to watch because he gets it.

His video came 10 mins ago
[doublepost=1541930146][/doublepost]We are just the consumers. Apple is constantly fighting with police world wide. The Black box FBI uses just got patched by Apple. I think this has to do with adapting to the world. Is it one thing that needs to be secure in the world, it’s computers. Either PC or mobile phones. Security is not a joke either. If your company/firm relies on security, I’d say it’s a 90%+ chance you’re getting an work-iPhone rather than Android. This is Apples triumph-card.

 

[neomorpheus]

Oh apple, you are the best....

I remember a couple of years ago, when our CEO called me and requested to upgrade the SSD on his MBP 13 to 1 TB. This was before OWC had their models.

I called apple, explained my request and their answer was “we dont sell those drives by themselves, next time, plan your purchase better!

Forwarded that response to the CEO and thanks to that, we now have Lenovos and Dells and you have to provide a very good reason why you need a Mac.

Best part of all this is, apple blind followers will still justify and defend apples actions.
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Such a shame. The exact opposite of what Wozniak wanted. I would be curious to know how different Apple would have been had he stayed, regardless of what happened to Jobs. Though in that itself I wish he didn't eschew western medicine early on as I truly believe he would be still alive.

Simple, look at the IIgs.

It was superior and way cheaper than the Macs available at the time, yet Jobs made sure that Woz work didn’t eclipse his and thats why Woz left.

 

[chucker23n1]

Simple, look at the IIgs.

It was superior and way cheaper than the Macs available at the time, yet Jobs made sure that Woz work didn’t eclipse his and thats why Woz left.

Neither Jobs nor Woz worked at Apple when the IIGS shipped.

 

[cmaier]

Neither Jobs nor Woz worked at Apple when the IIGS shipped.

Shhh. Don’t try to bring facts into this.

 

[neomorpheus]

Neither Jobs nor Woz worked at Apple when the IIGS shipped.

Shipped, as you said.

But since all apple products are magical, there was no development time, nor decisions made that took time to be changed or executed.

 

[cmaier]

Shipped, as you said.

But since all apple products are magical, there was no development time, nor decisions made that took time to be changed or executed.

Released September 1986. Wozniak left apple a year and a half earlier. Same with jobs. I’m sure nothing happened on the project in that time.

 

[neomorpheus]

Released September 1986. Wozniak left apple a year and a half earlier. Same with jobs. I’m sure nothing happened on the project in that time.

From http://www.duxburysystems.org/downloads/library/texas/apple/history/history/ah10.html

ARCHITECTURE

Wozniak was quite involved in designing the general layout of the IIGS.

 

[chucker23n1]

From http://www.duxburysystems.org/downloads/library/texas/apple/history/history/ah10.html

“ARCHITECTURE

Wozniak was quite involved in designing the general layout of the IIGS.”

He also developed ADB, which first shipped on it.

But… what is your point? An engineer and a marketing dude got bitter and therefore the Mac is evil 30 years later?

 

[neomorpheus]

But… what is your point?

Good question, since the one that came after me was you, to defend your beloved apple’s honor or something like that.

 

[chucker23n1]

defend your beloved apple’s honor

OK, you have some weird axe to grind, I guess.

 

[VulchR]

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Simple, look at the IIgs.

It was superior ... than the Macs available at the time...

That's certainly not what the computer press was saying at the time.

 

[neomorpheus]

OK, you have some weird axe to grind, I guess.

Lol, bye felicia.

That's certainly not what the computer press was saying at the time.

I seem to recall that the press was indeed impressed, same for the customers, since they sold very well.

A little quote from another site.

Run Deluxe Paint on the IIgs and on the A500. Put the IIgs in 16-color, 640x200 mode, and likewise with the Amiga. Grab a brush that is about 1/4 the screen size on the IIgs and do the same on the Amiga. Now, on the IIgs, drag that brush around the screen, and note how, despite being clocked at 2.8MHz, it's quite capable of keeping up with the Amiga doing the same task at 7MHz.

This is because the 65816 doesn't have to fight the blitter for access to memory, while the Amiga's custom chips, which gleefully allows 60fps HAM animations at 320x400, will cut into the CPU's processing power like a hot knife when driven at higher horizontal resolutions/bandwidths. Also, it doesn't help that the blitter, though clocked at 7MHz, can only touch memory no faster than 3.5 mega-transfers per second, and only during blanking periods at that. Ouch.

The 65816 is not a slow CPU. At 2.8MHz, the IIgs was *faster* at many kinds of graphics updates than the Mac Classic, and Jobs wasn't too happy about that. (Running a IIgs at 8MHz was magical; it felt every bit as fast as an Amiga to me.) GS/OS was, however, written in Pascal and largely based on MacOS System 1 code. I suspect that is where most of its sluggishness comes from. Deluxe Paint had its graphics routines in assembly language, I'm sure.

I say this, BTW, as a die-hard Amiga fan. I still have my Amiga 500 and it still boots today.

Link, if interested: http://forum.6502.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4310&start=105

 

[chucker23n1]

At 2.8MHz, the IIgs was *faster* at many kinds of graphics updates than the Mac Classic, and Jobs wasn't too happy about that.

What?

The Mac Classic shipped in 1990, five years after Jobs left.

"Faster at many kinds of graphics updates" is also some wishy-washy reasoning if I've ever seen one. Yes, and a Commodore 64 is way faster at booting than an iPhone XS. It also does something completely different.

 

[neomorpheus]

What?

The Mac Classic shipped in 1990, five years after Jobs left.

"Faster at many kinds of graphics updates" is also some wishy-washy reasoning if I've ever seen one. Yes, and a Commodore 64 is way faster at booting than an iPhone XS. It also does something completely different.

You are still at it?

Lol