'iMac Pro' Coming in 2022 With M1 Pro/Max Chips, 27-Inch Mini-LED Display, MacBook Pro Ports and More

[Adarna]

In all those chips the same die will be used. So the volume will be relatively great for a high end die. The only thing they would do in small quantities is the stacking of the dies into packages. But I think that's not the problem here.

Just because the old iMac was capable of powering such kinds of chips does not mean the new iMac has to do the same. I just think it would be strange to have (almost) no performance advantage to the iMac with the Mac Pro.
The Mac Pro was always a low volume product. It is not a cash cow for Apple like the iPhone or the MacBook Air or even the MacBook Pro. It is a proof of concept. It is still there because it is the fastest Mac which is almost exclusively in the hands of real pros so they can vouch for Apple products. And it's simply a showcase for Apple where they put all on the line what they have. So the Mac Pro does not need to be high volume. It has just to be fast und useful for pros.

Annually Intel Xeons for all PCs probably ship a conservative 2.75 million of 275 million.

Annually for 22.5 million Macs I expect 0.225 million Jade-2C & Jade-4C. If you want to increase volume then put it into as many form factors as possible.

The product lines I've ID'd have adequate PSU output are candidates for these 2 chips.

There is ~4.5 million of 22.5 million Macs that will get M1 Pro/Max, Jade-2C & Jade-4C

People who buy pro desktops can afford them. No need to have a use case.

 

[quarkysg]

I just think it would be strange to have (almost) no performance advantage to the iMac with the Mac Pro.

I guess that due to all of us being conditioned by what's available before AS that in order to have more computing power, you need big boxes.

Apple may be thinking that computing power should be in classes (e.g. good, better, best) and that each class of computing power should come in various form factors (e.g. mobile, desktop, AIO).

 

[ratkai]

i can not believe that the new iMac pro won't be larger than 27". it seems unfair that the size will be only 24 and 27". it should be 24 and "the new" 30".

 

[262Runnr]

...still loving my '15 27 iMac but will definitely upgrade once it's released....I personally like th 27" size as I use a 27" Thunderbolt monitor as my second monitor it it matches perfectly...

 

[cocoua]

please 16:10 screen ratio ?
let's lead the transition to desktop too!

Goodbye and good riddance to the 16:9 aspect ratio

Hello, more screen space.

www.theverge.com

16:9, cinema ratio, is quite good for… ahem, watching films… but my 20 years old 4:3 21" TFT screen was only 2cms shorter than my super 16:9 27" screen.

crazy nuts.

 

[bluespark]

If Apple really cares about the environment, they'll make this also usable as an external display.

 

[TwoBytes]

so according to the latest news on Apple Silicone

Apple Silicon Roadmap Based on 18-Month Upgrade Cycle, Claims Report

Apple plans to update its Apple silicon chips every 18 months, compared to the annual upgrade cycle of the iPhone and Apple Watch, according to a new...

www.macrumors.com

the iMac refresh in 2022 will get the M2's if the M2 Max will be released in 2023 which the iMac won't have.

I hope this doesn't mean Apple doesn't delay the release of the iMac until 2023!

 

[Juuro]

so according to the latest news on Apple Silicone

Apple Silicon Roadmap Based on 18-Month Upgrade Cycle, Claims Report

Apple plans to update its Apple silicon chips every 18 months, compared to the annual upgrade cycle of the iPhone and Apple Watch, according to a new...

www.macrumors.com

the iMac refresh in 2022 will get the M2's if the M2 Max will be released in 2023 which the iMac won't have.

I hope this doesn't mean Apple doesn't delay the release of the iMac until 2023!

The 24" iMac will maybe get the M2 at the end of 2022. That would be around 18 months after its first release. But that doesn't mean the iMac Pro which gets the Pro and Max chips will be delayed until 2023. It will come out in March or June of 2022 and it's first refresh might come at the end of 2023, so also 18 months later.

 

[ratkai]

any more news/leaks about iMac 27/32 pro??

 

[ratkai]

any more news/leaks about iMac 27/32 pro??

 

[Zdigital2015]

any more news/leaks about iMac 27/32 pro??

We’ll know next week. If it isn’t released next week, it won’t be before WWDC 2022.

 

[WilliamG]

I really hope we get a new Apple Display with ProMotion. Please, Apple.

 

[GyroFX]

Does the MacBook Pro M1 Max's TB4 have enough bandwidth for 4/5k 120 fps?

 

[anthonymoody]

I really hope we get a new Apple Display with ProMotion. Please, Apple.

Seems like the rumors of more Pro Macs for March 8 have somewhat died down with more buzz about an M2 Air. If they don't release a Mini Pro I don't think they'll announce new monitors. Could be wrong but seems like new monitors are going to be a WWDC thing.

 

[Tagbert]

Seems like the rumors of more Pro Macs for March 8 have somewhat died down with more buzz about an M2 Air. If they don't release a Mini Pro I don't think they'll announce new monitors. Could be wrong but seems like new monitors are going to be a WWDC thing.

They won’t release a monitor until they release the large iMacs. It is likely that the monitor would be based on that iMac.

While, yes, mini users would be very interested in a new Apple monitor, the much larger market is all those Apple laptops out there. People using their MBP/MBA for work will usually use an external monitor when at their desk.

 

[anthonymoody]

They won’t release a monitor until they release the large iMacs. It is likely that the monitor would be based on that iMac.

While, yes, mini users would be very interested in a new Apple monitor, the much larger market is all those Apple laptops out there. People using their MBP/MBA for work will usually use an external monitor when at their desk.

Seems like you're contradicting yourself. If the market for monitors consists primarily of "all those Apple laptops out there" then why would the release be tied to the larger iMacs? So what if they have the same screen as the actual monitor.

 

[Tagbert]

Seems like you're contradicting yourself. If the market for monitors consists primarily of "all those Apple laptops out there" then why would the release be tied to the larger iMacs? So what if they have the same screen as the actual monitor.

Apple is unlikely to want to launch their new screen tech and product design on a monitor. They will want to launch that on the iMac and have the monitor come after as a matching accessory. It could happen at the same event, but they won't want the monitor spoil the reveal of the iMac.

Also, we heard a rumor that they started work on the monitors only after they had finished design of the iMacs.

 

[SteveW928]

While, yes, mini users would be very interested in a new Apple monitor, the much larger market is all those Apple laptops out there. People using their MBP/MBA for work will usually use an external monitor when at their desk.

I think the general public just tends to use whatever monitor they find at Best Buy, etc. I suppose some would consider an Apple branded one if it isn't too expensive. Professionals or prosumers doing certain things would probably want an Apple monitor, as I guess most of the 3rd party ones don't get resolutions correct, etc. (for those who care about that).

I think it is actually a fairly big market if they don't botch the pricing. What I'd really like to see is the iMac/iMac Pro have a video input, so I could consider an all-in-one again (now that they might actually be able to cool themselves adequately), while also gaining a better central display. Without video input, I can't be constrained to a single-use display, so an iMac is off the table.

But, I agree, the laptops are a bigger Apple monitor market than the mini. (Which makes it strange they've gone w/o one for so long!)

Apple is unlikely to want to launch their new screen tech and product design on a monitor. They will want to launch that on the iMac and have the monitor come after as a matching accessory. It could happen at the same event, but they won't want the monitor spoil the reveal of the iMac.

Also, we heard a rumor that they started work on the monitors only after they had finished design of the iMacs.

I can see that, but what they need most urgently, isn't some new wiz-bang display, but something closer to the 5k iMac at a reasonable price. Then, also, something in-between that and the Pro XDR.

 

[Tagbert]

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I can see that, but what they need most urgently, isn't some new wiz-bang display, but something closer to the 5k iMac at a reasonable price. Then, also, something in-between that and the Pro XDR.

I agree. A lot of us would be quite happy with the 27" IPS 5K display of the current 27" iMac in a price of no more than $1500. I don't need mini-LED screens if that delays the launch and drives the price up so much.

 

[SteveW928]

I agree. A lot of us would be quite happy with the 27" IPS 5K display of the current 27" iMac in a price of no more than $1500. I don't need mini-LED screens if that delays the launch and drives the price up so much.

Yeah, and that has been the case for many years now.
I'd also hope less than $1500 by a good bit, as you can buy the whole machine for $1800. There's certainly more than $300 worth of computer components in there. Maybe more like $999 (or less), but of course, this is Apple.

 

[TobiasLeRoy]

any more news/leaks about iMac 27/32 pro??

Just a guess here, but my bet is that we won't see the new larger SoC iMac until late spring or early summer. We'll know on Tuesday, but I'm not overly optimistic that it will be available before late spring, at the earliest.

 

[HowardEv]

Why does anyone prefer a 27” iMac over a 27” display and separate Mini?

 

[SteveW928]

Why does anyone prefer a 27” iMac over a 27” display and separate Mini?

*If* the iMac had a video input, it would just be more neat and convenient to have it all in the display (assuming the same thermal capabilities). It's one less thing and wires and such, though if you have a lot of stuff connected to it, maybe it is a toss-up. With a mini, you could just set it at the back of the desk and route the cables right off and down, vs them having to cross the desk, etc.

I had one of the true-quad-core iMacs (when even the entry model was quad-core) years ago, and it was a pretty nice machine. The problem is that w/o video input, it would kind of get in the way, as I'd have to have another monitor to connect PC/other-Mac/PS4/5, etc. to, and then which monitor gets positioned where, etc. The mini + monitor is just way more flexible in that case.

But, if you're buying a machine where you don't need to connect a lot to it, an iMac all-in-one is a pretty nice, clean desk setup.

There is also the possibility of different hardware in one vs the other, which might make one pick one or the other. If the iMac ends up being some kind of 'iMac Pro' with 2x Max chip or something, than obviously I'd rather have that than a mini if it only had a single Pro/Max chip. However, with the mini Studio rumors (I hate that name, if true!), maybe it is more likely the mini will be more powerful.

 

[Tagbert]

Why does anyone prefer a 27” iMac over a 27” display and separate Mini?

Do you mean Apple customers in general or here in the the MR Forum (definitely not typical customers)?

Apple customers seem to prefer the convenience of an all-in-one package. IMac sales are much larger than mini sales.

A lot of people here would prefer a high performance mini with a well built and quality monitor. The problem is that there hasn’t been the right monitor available so far. You need to compromise on smaller than 27” 4K, larger 4K with less than “retina” resolution, Ultra-wides with low resolution, or high-end professional-only like the XDR.

I understand the people who say that Apple has looked at the monitor market and seen that they can’t make the margin or volume that they want to make it a profitable stand-alone product. I do think that they can enhance the experience and value of their other products (Mini, Laptop, and even iMac) by bringing out an Apple-level quality monitor to occupy the role that the old Thunderbolt monitor held. That monitor gave Apple customers a seamless experience even if the Thunderbolt monitor was never a significant profit center for Apple. It is a more strategic product than a pure financial one.

 

[SteveW928]

... The problem is that there hasn’t been the right monitor available so far. You need to compromise on smaller than 27” 4K, larger 4K with less than “retina” resolution, Ultra-wides with low resolution, or high-end professional-only like the XDR.

I understand the people who say that Apple has looked at the monitor market and seen that they can’t make the margin or volume that they want to make it a profitable stand-alone product. I do think that they can enhance the experience and value of their other products (Mini, Laptop, and even iMac) by bringing out an Apple-level quality monitor to occupy the role that the old Thunderbolt monitor held. That monitor gave Apple customers a seamless experience even if the Thunderbolt monitor was never a significant profit center for Apple. It is a more strategic product than a pure financial one.

Exactly! There are a number of products Apple should make, whether they are top-sellers & profit-centers, or not. They are eco-system support devices, in a way. The Airport was another example. I think the only monitor for the 'purists' was the LG UltraFine, which was kind of just bleh, fine. I don't need exact retina, or an exact size, or over 4k, etc. so I suppose a number of monitors would fit my needs, but for a lot of people, they feel they can only buy/use the LG which isn't that great in terms of quality if you've got a desk full of Apple stuff.