iMac to Come in Both Dual-Core and Quad-Core Configs?

[Yamcha]

Dell sucks! They rip you off like Apple lol

 

[Theophany]

That isn't true and you know it.

The first thing is, I can keep up with video card changes instead of having to upgrade the whole machine to keep pace. I can replace my monitor to the latest and greatest without buying a new machine. DAMHIK but I can still use it when the screen goes dark.

The current pc bottlenecks have been the same for many years... and only until last year did Intel acknowledge what AMD did by integrating the memory controller with the chip.

As for the costs adding up, I think I can update twice before I run into the same original cost of going the other way.

Yes, and latest & greatest = more money, so it's a false economy, hence the reason iMacs are built with 24" screens - because the market shrinks passing that size. Plus, there are only so many upgrades you can make before you reach a stage where the expensive components are performing at a reduced capacity because of the older components. It's NEVER as simple as 'ave-a-go 'enthusiasts' make it sound.

I am in no way disputing the fact that it is possible to build a better computer for less, but there is so much that you clearly aren't accounting into cost here. The man hours spent building it, the fact that you have no warranty for the machine as a whole, only the individual parts (which means testing each part when something goes kaput) and the fact that you'll have to run Windows on it, which is a double whammy for the anti-virus costs and the fact that it is an overpriced OS.

I fail to see how you get a better economy from not buying a Mac, unless of course you're buying a budget PC, in which case, you can easily do better by not buying a Mac mini.

 

[Yamcha]

Yes, and latest & greatest = more money, so it's a false economy, hence the reason iMacs are built with 24" screens - because the market shrinks passing that size. Plus, there are only so many upgrades you can make before you reach a stage where the expensive components are performing at a reduced capacity because of the older components. It's NEVER as simple as 'ave-a-go 'enthusiasts' make it sound.

I am in no way disputing the fact that it is possible to build a better computer for less, but there is so much that you clearly aren't accounting into cost here. The man hours spent building it, the fact that you have no warranty for the machine as a whole, only the individual parts (which means testing each part when something goes kaput) and the fact that you'll have to run Windows on it, which is a double whammy for the anti-virus costs and the fact that it is an overpriced OS.

I fail to see how you get a better economy from not buying a Mac, unless of course you're buying a budget PC, in which case, you can easily do better by not buying a Mac mini.

Building a PC takes about 15-30min (I built mines myself) , or you could have it built for you at the stores with extra cost usually $25, you get 1yr warranty if you buy or build a system from a store for example @ ncix.com.. and of course u get 3yrs warranty on the individual parts aswell, Vista costs $140CAD (Leopard Costs $129CAD), there are free anti-virus software's around, or if your like me you don't buy Operating Systems or anti-virus, you download them , even if you were to buy an anti-virus and Windows Vista, you still save money in comparison to buying an Apple machine..

PS: Im not an Apple hater, Im waiting to buy an iMac MAYBE of course, depending on what specs the new iMac will have, but im just pointing out that Apple products are overpriced.

 

[Theophany]

or if your like me you don't buy Operating Systems or anti-virus, you download them

I now cease to take you seriously.

'Price' is one aspect of the debate. 'Value' is entirely another. Yes, Macs are higher priced, but in terms of value? I get a shedload more with my Mac than I ever have done with a PC.

 

[Yamcha]

I now cease to take you seriously.

'Price' is one aspect of the debate. 'Value' is entirely another. Yes, Macs are higher priced, but in terms of value? I get a shedload more with my Mac than I ever have done with a PC.

I don't know if you mean in terms of performance or resale value? Yeah sure, your iMac's price won't go down that much.. But the PC will last you longer and its going to be faster.. the i7 LGA 1366 platform supports up to 24GB of memory! up to 3XPCI-E Cards. And plus if something in your iMac dies, then ultimately your going to have to replace the whole thing eventually.. Its a no brainier that buying a PC is the smarter move imo.

If you meant you get more out of your Mac then your PC, I don't see why because you can virtually do the exact same thing with PC, install OSX run any application just like you would on a Mac, infact you can dual boot to Windows & Mac or even Linux..

 

[dwl017]

I don't know if you mean in terms of performance or resale value? Yeah sure, your iMac's price won't go down that much.. But the PC will last you longer and its going to be faster.. the i7 LGA 1366 platform supports up to 24GB of memory! up to 3XPCI-E Cards. And plus if something in your iMac dies, then ultimately your going to have to replace the whole thing eventually.. Its a no brainier that buying a PC is the smarter move imo.

If you meant you get more out of your Mac then your PC, I don't see why because you can virtually do the exact same thing with PC, install OSX run any application just like you would on a Mac, infact you can dual boot to Windows & Mac or even Linux..

I agree with you 100% since making the switch back to Windows I can honestly say the only app I miss is iMovie. Can anyone else honestly tell me what I am missing by not using an OS X box? modern day computers use all the same components, there is no such thing as Apple only or Dell only components.

I bought two XPS boxes for myself one of which I use as my video editing work station and the other for surfing and playing both are maxed out with 8GB of ram and fully loaded both have dual hard drives 1TB each. I bought a Dell Hybird for the family room which is also fully loaded and all three cost me less then one Mac Pro. By the way both XPS boxes have Quad Core Processors running Vista and are solid as a rock! average up time is 20 days before reboot just to refresh.

 

[Drag'nGT]

This would be very nice but it's seems hard enough just to get Apple to give more standard ram and hard drive space. I won't give too much thought to the idea of a quad until I see the price.

 

[macmee]

Building a PC takes about 15-30min (I built mines myself) , or you could have it built for you at the stores with extra cost usually $25, you get 1yr warranty if you buy or build a system from a store for example @ ncix.com.. and of course u get 3yrs warranty on the individual parts aswell, Vista costs $140CAD (Leopard Costs $129CAD), there are free anti-virus software's around, or if your like me you don't buy Operating Systems or anti-virus, you download them , even if you were to buy an anti-virus and Windows Vista, you still save money in comparison to buying an Apple machine..

PS: Im not an Apple hater, Im waiting to buy an iMac MAYBE of course, depending on what specs the new iMac will have, but im just pointing out that Apple products are overpriced.

I think Apple's overpriced too...I just wanted an iMac and didn't care.

 

[Yamcha]

I think Apple's overpriced too...I just wanted an iMac and didn't care.

lol , thats fine, I'm also thinking of getting one, but only if the specs are decent in the upcoming iMacs :].

 

[Yamcha]

Currently the maximum you could install into a LGA 1366 Platform would be 12GB of Memory (6 dimm sockets), but I meant later on if you wanted more memory you could install up to 24GB without upgrading motherboard/system. As for the chipset X58 is extremely fast, and a great overclocker it can get your i7 920(2.66GHZ) @ 4.2Ghz+!! If you compared it to the current iMacs it would outperform every single one! And you can get one priced at $1299($1199US) same as the low end iMac, or even cheaper if you choose slightly different specs..

Anyway about the OS, you could always go for Linux Ubuntu or OSX. But personally I haven't had any issues with Windows in the recent years, Im using Windows 7 currently, truly an improvement over Vista, even Windows Vista wasn't all that bad. In the end it depends on the person using Windows, if you know how to surf safe then you won't have any issues with viruses, I no longer have any problems with viruses, I don't even use anti-virus, I just keep the firewall on, and thats it. I download constantly, but I know what sites to go to.. My PC is 2 yrs old! It runs Windows 7 extremely fast.. my $80 processor C2D @ 3.2GHZ

 

[-hh]

Building a PC takes about 15-30min (I built mines myself)

Does that include the time to research, buy & unpack all the components, as well as do a format of the drives and install the OS?

No, I didn't think so. As such, you've grossly under-estimated your labor on your DIY.

My DIY experience has been that it is generally best to plan for a half-day, and be happy if it takes less. Doing it right and including all the steps, its virtually never less than 2-3 hours, depending on the complexity of the build. From there, the first OS install takes an hour (much more if you have to do a low level format), but this step doesn't require full-time attention; I'd typically run it during a lunch break.

Of course, if one runs into trouble somewhere, or if you're transferring a bunch of data, the afternoon's easily shot too. For example, across USB2, it takes a couple of hours to ghost (or CCC) or otherwise transfer the contents of a standard 80GB laptop drive.

...or you could have it built for you at the stores with extra cost usually $25 ...

A buddy of mine who used to run just such a business charged $100-$200 for the assembly. And he shut down a few years ago because he couldn't turn a good enough profit to be worth his time.

PS: Im not an Apple hater, Im waiting to buy an iMac MAYBE of course, depending on what specs the new iMac will have, but im just pointing out that Apple products are overpriced.

Why don't you save all that money and just go to your local Apple store after they've closed with a brick to throw through their front window? Don't worry about the security cameras...they're fakes. Probably.


-hh

 

[AidenShaw]

24 GiB is supported by at least one vendor

By the time 24Gb of RAM is the norm, that mobo and chip will be so slow, it wouldn't be worth wasting the money.

Yes currently the maximum you could install into a LGA 1366 Platform would be 12GB of Memory (6 dimm sockets), but I meant later on if you wanted more memory you could install up to 24GB without upgrading motherboard/system.

Asus is listing 4 GiB DIMMs in its supported memory list, and showing 24 GiB max for its motherboards.

That gives you the option of 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, and 24 GiB at full triple-channel performance - it's not just 12 GiB or 24 GiB.

And, there's no need to wait for 24 GiB to become "the norm". Some people can use much more than 8 GiB today. (Running a couple of x64 virtual machines, running 64-bit Photoshop on large images without needing work files, ....)

Clearly the laptop chip limit of 4 GiB or 8 GiB will restrict some people who want an affordable desktop Apple.

 

[AidenShaw]

Price check

To add a quad-core price point comparison, here's today's good deal at Fry's:

• 2.5 GHz Core 2 Quad, 1333 MHz bus
• 8 GiB RAM
• 750 GB hard drive
• Nvidia 9600 GS with 768 MiB VRAM, DVI + HDMI
• Blu-ray reader, DVD-DL writer w/ LightScribe
• TV Tuner
• 802.11b/g/n
• 15-in-1 media card reader
• Front and back 1394a ports

Just add monitor....

http://shop2.frys.com/product/5802103?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

 

[Shanpdx]

feb 06th, still no sign of imac or apple special event ...

apple going to skip all the 65W quad core and go with Core i7 based mobile CPUs? another six months wait!

 

[jasondono]

This wait is killing me. I bought my MBP a month before the switch to C2D. I have been dying to upgrade to a desktop. At this point I am considering going back to a PC. There is a guy on ebay building systems and getting great reviews:

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor OVERCLOCKED TO 3.320GHz

MSI X58 Platinum LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATI Crossfire ATX Intel Motherboard

6GB (3 X 2GB) DDR3 1333MHz SDRAM

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s

SAMSUNG SH-S223Q/BEBN LightScribe SATA 22X DVD Burner

MSI N260GTX-T2D896 OC GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Antec EA650 650W ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

MICROSOFT WINDOWS VISTA HOME PREMIUM 64BIT

$1,408 delivered
I priced the parts and it would cost me more to build it myself.

Add in a Refurbished Gateway 24" for $250

I'm finding it very hard to resist.

 

[Yamcha]

Does that include the time to research, buy & unpack all the components, as well as do a format of the drives and install the OS?

No, I didn't think so. As such, you've grossly under-estimated your labor on your DIY.

My DIY experience has been that it is generally best to plan for a half-day, and be happy if it takes less. Doing it right and including all the steps, its virtually never less than 2-3 hours, depending on the complexity of the build. From there, the first OS install takes an hour (much more if you have to do a low level format), but this step doesn't require full-time attention; I'd typically run it during a lunch break.

Of course, if one runs into trouble somewhere, or if you're transferring a bunch of data, the afternoon's easily shot too. For example, across USB2, it takes a couple of hours to ghost (or CCC) or otherwise transfer the contents of a standard 80GB laptop drive.

You obviously no nothing about hardware & installing an OS takes about 20 minutes, we aren't taking about Apple, I remember formatting and installing OSX fresh when I sold my Macbook, took 45Minutes =/. PC's are much faster, as for labour I haven't lied Ncix.com takes $25. A format takes about 15 seconds. Btw I know because I build PC's myself.. It takes about 15-30min to build a PC! if your experienced..

A buddy of mine who used to run just such a business charged $100-$200 for the assembly. And he shut down a few years ago because he couldn't turn a good enough profit to be worth his time.

Yeah thats what they charge if you should go to a PC repair person I suppose, but in Canada on Ncix.com, they charge $25, so I guess it vary's depending on company.

Windows Vista Home Premium is priced at $145CAD, when its on sale price goes lower.. XP Home Edition goes for $115..

The facts are facts, PC's are faster, cheaper! and the smarter choice if buying a system. Unlike you I'm not rich, Im a student, and a designer, I couldn't possibly afford Adobe Creative Suite, If i do download it, I do it for the intention of learning something, and eventually when I do open up a business I'll have to buy it regardless.. I do buy albums, and clear reason is because I can afford it. I mean I don't know you, maybe you download songs online like most of us and don't realize your doing something illegal. But as for me as I said I do what I can, i don't have the money to buy software/games constantly, and don't point your finger at me, because there are millions of people who do it... And thats the exact reason I've never actually bought an Apple system because of the price, unlike many people here, the rest of us don't really have the money to invest on an Apple, and when we do save up its a question of getting an Amazing performing PC or a overpriced Apple with specs much lower.. I mean if you think about it isn't Apple taking advantage of people too? you point the finger at me? what about how overpriced Apple systems are?? In my family we get by literally just barely, luckily thanks to credit cards... My family isn't rich, my parents aren't educated enough in Canadian standards because they aren't from here.. I was raised here, but even then I haven't finished or started college yet.. Again as I've mentioned I try my best..
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It doesn't take 1-2 hrs putting a system together, unless your new at building PC's. And as for antivirus it is free http://free.avg.com/. There are many other free anti viruses aswell. Even if you wanted office on Windows, you could get Open Office free.. Do your research!!

I think its more then clear that your simply just angry because Im right, PC's are faster & cheaper, and even if you hate Windows and like to bash it, you have alternatives on a PC you could go for Linux Ubuntu, OSX, and even other available operating systems which are free.. Slowly im beginning to feel like perhaps I should just buy a PC because I don't want to end up like an Apple fan boy in denial. Some of you here find as many excuses as possible to put down PC's.. sure PC's do have there negatives, but there are a lot of positives in owning a PC even more so then an Apple system..

EDIT: Oh and yeah its true it would probably take a new person longer to build a PC perhaps an hour or two including installing OS, but just because it takes two hours doesn't mean you should go ahead and buy Apple =/, in the end result you still get much more out of a PC then you ever will an Apple.

 

[macmee]

To add a quad-core price point comparison, here's today's good deal at Fry's:

• 2.5 GHz Core 2 Quad, 1333 MHz bus
• 8 GiB RAM
• 750 GB hard drive
• Nvidia 9600 GS with 768 MiB VRAM, DVI + HDMI
• Blu-ray reader, DVD-DL writer w/ LightScribe
• TV Tuner
• 802.11b/g/n
• 15-in-1 media card reader
• Front and back 1394a ports

Just add monitor....

http://shop2.frys.com/product/5802103?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

I bought my first Mac several months ago. The reason I got it is because I got sick of Windows. Getting that would put me back where I started.

 

[BLewisMaltz]

To add a quad-core price point comparison, here's today's good deal at Fry's:

• 2.5 GHz Core 2 Quad, 1333 MHz bus
• 8 GiB RAM
• 750 GB hard drive
• Nvidia 9600 GS with 768 MiB VRAM, DVI + HDMI
• Blu-ray reader, DVD-DL writer w/ LightScribe
• TV Tuner
• 802.11b/g/n
• 15-in-1 media card reader
• Front and back 1394a ports

Just add monitor....

http://shop2.frys.com/product/5802103?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

I've actually been showing this off to a lot of friends of mine that are on the edge of converting. A very good deal indeed. I think I convinced my brother-in-law (finally).

 

[-hh]

A "Tough Love" rant

You obviously no nothing about hardware & installing an OS takes about 20 minutes, we aren't taking about Apple,..

We're not talking about Apple? Did I somehow wander over to "DELL-Rumors.com"?

...as for labour I haven't lied Ncix.com takes $25.

I believe you. However, I'm also not lying when I said that my buddy charged much more and that he wasn't making money on the deal, so he shut down his business.

A format takes about 15 seconds.

A basic one, more or less. But if you need a low level format, its going to burn an hour, easy, per drive being installed. Some DIY'ers insist on doing a low level format as part of their SOP (Standard Operating Procedures).

In any event, if you're revising an existing system (eg, Hard Drive upgrade), you're a fool if you're not going to run a diskcheck and back up the data first. Depending on the size of the drives and how much data you have (and the bandwidth of the protocol being used to do the data transfer), that can easily be 10-15 minutes for a full check, and 1-6 hours for the data transfer.

Btw I know because I build PC's myself..

I don't disbelieve you - - my disagreement is in how you're assessing your time for the whole job, because I've probably have worked on probably ... a couple of hundred PC's and Macs ?? ... over the years.

FYI, the last time that I've torn apart a machine was this past November. One was a tower which received a 2TB bump in storage; the second was a laptop which I upgraded its 2.5" HD from 80GB to 250GB. With all of the data copying and backups and OS installs, it took an entire weekend, working on & off. Direct "touch" labor was around 1.5 hours for the tower and ~3 hours for the laptop, since the ghosting didn't work quite right the first time. These numbers include unboxing and checking out the drives before installation, all the pre- and post- work ... the time to throw the drive into the case once it was all nicely arranged on a proverbial silver platter was negligible.

I didn't take any pictures of the work, since I wasn't trying to prove anything to anyone, although I believe that I did take a photo of the drives, since I've learned that taking photos is a very easy way to document things like model#'s and serial#'s in case I need them later on.

What you can't take me seriously because your an Apple fanboy?

Because I'm not. If you did have a clue, you might know that I'm running both OS X and Windows XP systems. I freely admit that each system has its strengths and weaknesses.

The total job consists of more than merely slapping a few PC parts together. If honest and include all of the necessary steps to go from "nothing" to a fully running system , it always takes more than your claimed "15-30 minutes".

You can say absolutely what you like, but the facts are facts, PC's are faster, cheaper! and the smarter choice if buying a system.

The whole PC-Mac debate is merely one of the trade-off of individual priorities. Using a broad brush, a PC generally has a lower upfront purchase price, but that doesn't make it a better value over its entire product lifespan.

Think of it like buying an SUV for half the price of a small car, but then the SUV costs you twice as much for gas each week: at some point, the total cost of operation is going to make the SUV more expensive ... its not a question of "if", but "when".

Unlike you I'm not rich, Im a student,..

And I used to be a student too. However, I didn't steal my way through school, nor did I cheat on exams.

Instead of stealing, I did without, and otherwise scrimped. To pay for my books, I ate hundreds of bland meals of soup and macaroni/cheese while also simultanously holding down a job (and in the summer, two jobs).

I do buy albums, and clear reason is because I can afford it. I mean I don't know you, maybe you download songs online like most of us and don't realize your doing something illegal.

If you can afford albums, then you could have bought a legal student license of Adobe by doing without said albums. Catch-22, little buddy.

Sorry to disappoint, but I do know that downloading stuff that isn't mine is illegal, and I recognize that Copyright Law covers software as well as music, so unlike you, I steal neither. If I can't afford it, I do without. And that includes the days back when I was a penniless student: I didn't buy (or steal) any music when I was working through school.

...because there are millions of people who do it...

And a billion flies eat tons of poop every day, so that means that poop must taste good, right?

And thats the exact reason I've never actually bought an Apple system because of the price,

Perhaps some day you'll learn the difference between "price" and "value".

...and when we do save up its a question of getting an Amazing performing PC or a overpriced Apple with specs much lower..

"Value" isn't measured exclusively by the hardware specifications. Another method of measuring value is how much you're able accomplish - - basic concepts of productivity.

I mean if you think about it isn't Apple taking advantage of people too?

And Microsoft isn't doing the same? Try waking up and smelling the coffee.

what about how overpriced Apple systems are??

Apples tend to cost more upfront, but they can still be a better value. If you learn the difference between price and value, you'll understand.

In my family we get by literally just barely, luckily thanks to credit cards...

Thanks to credit cards? If you're paying them any interest, you're in a heap of financial trouble ... instead of wasting your time posting here, you should go get a 2nd (or 3rd) job ASAP so as to get those suckers paid off, because their interest rates are far far far far worse than anything you can even imagine from Apple.

It doesn't take 1-2 hrs putting a system together, unless your new at building PC's.

The question is simply accounting for all of the time required to build a PC from scratch. That means every extra minute of time required to research each individual component + time to go make 10 purchases (vs 1) + time to receive 10 boxes (vs 1) + time to unpack 10 boxes (vs 1) + time to go get your toolbox + time to clear the workspace + time to do the assembly + time to format + install OS + update drives + install basic Apps + troubleshoot + cleanup + put away tools + etc + etc + etc.

Do your research!!

Yes, please do!

I think its more then clear that your simply just angry because Im right, PC's are faster & cheaper, and even if you hate Windows and like to bash it, you have alternatives on a PC you could go for Linux Ubuntu, OSX, and even other available operating systems which are free.. Slowly im beginning to feel like perhaps I should just buy a PC because I don't want to end up like an Apple fan boy in denial. Some of you here find as many excuses as possible to put down PC's.. sure PC's do have there negatives, but there are a lot of positives in owning a PC even more so then an Apple system..

Nice rant. You're wrong because I'm an equal-opportunity basher: both Apple and the rest do do things that I disagree with and/or don't like. However, at the end of the day, I do need to have some sort of computer on my desk for various tasks, and invariably the decision is predicated upon what I personally consider to be the "least bad" trade-off for my individual needs.

And guess what ... your needs are different!

As such, you're free to come to a different conclusion as to what you want, based on your priorities and perceptions.

The only input that I have at all is when you share your perceptions with the rest of the world, which is an invitation for said "rest of the world" to offer a critique as to how realistic we think you're being.

In this case, you were simply advocating a DIY assembly of a PC, and your claimed time-to-build was out of line with the reality that I've repeatedly experienced in that realm, so I said as much. This has utterly nothing to do with the Mac-vs-PC debate at all, except for the very minor fact that one can't DIY a Mac, and this is minor because one can't DIY a Dell or HP either.

As I've said a thousand times before on the DIY-vs-OEM question, if you consider your time to be worthless, I have some yardwork that I want you to stop by to do for me.

EDIT: Oh and yeah its true it would probably take a new person longer to build a PC perhaps an hour or two including installing OS...

Gosh! Just how should we characterize the typical home PC buyer? Might it be a guy who buys a replacement PC every 3-4 years?

As such, if he does choose to try to save a few bucks by DIY'ing, since its been 3-4 years since he bought his last PC, just how long do you think it will take him to do this time?

Hint: Google "Learning Curve".

... but just because it takes two hours doesn't mean you should go ahead and buy Apple =/, in the end result you still get much more out of a PC then you ever will an Apple.

Macs & PCs are simply tools in the toolbox. Each has their strengths & weaknesses. The claim that one will always "get more" out of either platform is flat out wrong, because "what's best" depends on what kind of work you're going.

The right tool for the job is the right tool for the job. Nothing more and nothing less. When all you have is a hammer (PC), every problem looks like a nail, even when they're really not.

...and please don't steal from the jobsite when I'm around. I might go a bit Biblical and cut your theiving hands off

-hh

 

[Yamcha]

Your not hardware smart , thats all I can say. You still think that Apple is a better value? I don't know how you Apple fans come up with this?

You can run OSX, Windows, Linux on both these machines, but with the PC you get the up to date specs, with the iMac you get much lower specs, and even then the PC is $200 cheaper =/, ok lets add Microsoft Vista $145.. its still cheaper, its gonna last you longer, you can upgrade it when needed, you get three years manufacturer warranty on individual parts, you get one year warranty with ncix.. And as you said before "Value", your able to accomplish the same with a PC, like I said run OSX on a PC, you can run the exact same applications you would on a normal Mac.. It will perform faster, because the hardware is up to date.. Fact is you can do the exact same with the PC that you could on a Mac, but without the heft price, without having to pay extra for warranty, without worrying about upgrades later on, getting the best you can for the amount u pay. I remember buying a Mini Dvi to VGA for my Macbook, I went to futureshop and saw Apple has it for $52.99, i was surprised, I see a different branded one that looks very similar for $15.99 it does the exact same thing =/

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Western Digital WD10EADS Caviar Green 1TB SATA 32MB Cache
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250GB hard drive
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ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT
with 128MB memory

$1299CAD ($1,060.91 USD)


I don't have a problem with Apple, I just have a problem with people who claim that the "Mac is better", or "You get more out of your Mac", "You can get more done"... WTF? You can the exact same things done with a PC machine, you get even more out of a PC, you can overclock it, u get a faster machine without paying extra?? thats my definition of getting more out of a system.. How can you get more done from an iMac its slower and looks pretty? will the looks of the iMac make you work harder?? or if its OSX, well again you can use it in a PC aswell, so I don't see how I would get more out of a Mac... I understand if your referring to dealing with viruses, but with all honestly in my humble opinion if your not an idiot you wont have any virus issues with Windows, and if you aren't smart enough to avoid them then simply install OSX or Linux, I don't know if Mac users know this but LINUX is the most stable operating system made period.

And the saddest thing is, Apple has to take shots at PC to sell there own products, and they over exaggerate it every time!

 

[jcosmide]

Thanks for the info guys, these last few posts have been really integral in the community's assessment of and predictions for the number of cores in the imminent iMac update, having discussed the epynomous topic so thoroughly. [/sarcasm]

 

[Eric S.]

Thanks for the info guys, these last few posts have been really integral in the community's assessment of and predictions for the number of cores in the imminent iMac update, having discussed the epynomous topic so thoroughly. [/sarcasm]

I think a lot of us are cranky lately from staying up too late waiting for any real news out of Apple.

 

[macmee]

Your not hardware smart , thats all I can say. You still think that Apple is a better value? I don't know how you Apple fans come up with this?

You can run OSX, Windows, Linux on both these machines, but with the PC you get the up to date specs, with the iMac you get much lower specs, and even then the PC is $200 cheaper =/, ok lets add Microsoft Vista $145.. its still cheaper, its gonna last you longer, you can upgrade it when needed, you get three years manufacturer warranty on individual parts, you get one year warranty with ncix.. And as you said before "Value", your able to accomplish the same with a PC, like I said run OSX on a PC, you can run the exact same applications you would on a normal Mac.. It will perform faster, because the hardware is up to date.. Fact is you can do the exact same with the PC that you could on a Mac, but without the heft price, without having to pay extra for warranty, without worrying about upgrades later on, getting the best you can for the amount u pay. I remember buying a Mini Dvi to VGA for my Macbook, I went to futureshop and saw Apple has it for $52.99, i was surprised, I see a different branded one that looks very similar for $15.99 it does the exact same thing =/

ASUS P5QL Pro ATX LGA775 P43
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB
Patriot Viper Extreme Performance 4GB DDR2 2X2GB PC2-6400
EVGA E-GEFORCE 9800GT Superclocked 650MHZ 512MB 1.9GHZ
Western Digital WD10EADS Caviar Green 1TB SATA 32MB Cache
LG GH22NP20 Black DVD+RW 22X8X16 DVD-RW 22X6X16
LG W2242TQ-BF 22IN Widescreen LCD
Antec Three Hundred Mini Tower Gaming Case
Arctic Cooling Fusion 550 550W ATX 12V

$1012CAD ($826.607 USD)

20-inch: 2.4GHz
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
250GB hard drive
8x double-layer SuperDrive
ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT
with 128MB memory

$1299CAD ($1,060.91 USD)


I don't have a problem with Apple, I just have a problem with people who claim that the "Mac is better", or "You get more out of your Mac", "You can get more done"... WTF? You can the exact same things done with a PC machine, you get even more out of a PC, you can overclock it, u get a faster machine without paying extra?? thats my definition of getting more out of a system.. How can you get more done from an iMac its slower and looks pretty? will the looks of the iMac make you work harder?? or if its OSX, well again you can use it in a PC aswell, so I don't see how I would get more out of a Mac... I understand if your referring to dealing with viruses, but with all honestly in my humble opinion if your not an idiot you wont have any virus issues with Windows, and if you aren't smart enough to avoid them then simply install OSX or Linux, I don't know if Mac users know this but LINUX is the most stable operating system made period.

You've got to understand that when people make statements like "PCs are superior" or "Macs are better" that it's just their opinion. I couldn't go back to using Vista after the experience I've had with OSX, however I do think Macs are pricey.

Something to consider with iMacs is that they're AIOs. HP sells an AIO of similar specifications to a 20" iMac http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...&cpncode=19-2593641&cmp=KA14525&ref=16&loc=01

They're both the same price and somewhat similar specifications. The deal breaker for me is that the HP runs Vista mad where as the iMac runs OSX .

 

[-hh]

Your not hardware smart , thats all I can say.

Irrelevant, since Hardware is merely one small piece of the whole.

You still think that Apple is a better value? I don't know how you Apple fans come up with this?

For some things it is. For other things its not. Gosh, it depends.

My point is that it also depends on how you choose to measure: by one means of measure, my home desktop has cost me <$50/month.

If you don't want to use that measure, that's your business...but perhaps the fact that I'm not barely scraping by should be a clue that just maybe there's some merit to how I approach my life & business...its not because I had rich parents, or hit the Lottery: its basic fundimentals.

You can run OSX, Windows, Linux on both these machines...

Not legally. End of story, end of debate.

I don't have a problem with Apple...

Actually, it is quite clear that you do have a problem with Apple. Otherwise you wouldn't be constaintly railing about price, price, price and all the rest of this nonsense.

I just have a problem with people who claim that the "Mac is better", or "You get more out of your Mac", "You can get more done"... WTF? You can the exact same things done with a PC machine...

No they're not "exactly" the same. And I can say that because I use both platforms.

And as I've already said, its not that either one is "better": they're different with different strenghts/weaknesses, so 'better' depends on the individual application.

thats my definition of getting more out of a system..

As the saying goes, "Who died and left you King?".

How can you get more done from an iMac its slower and looks pretty?

The answer lies in user productivity.

Your focus on raw hardware horsepower isn't absolutely incorrect, but it is nevertheless not correct, either.

Think of it through this lame automotive analogy: what good does it do you to have tons of horsepower if your car has a bad steering wheel, so you struggle constantly in keeping the car pointed in the direction that you want it to go?

Its not about having "Power", but about how what you have gets Productivity employed.


-hh

 

[Yamcha]

"Psystar believes Apple's prohibition against third-party installations will not hold up in court: "What if Honda said that, after you buy their car, you could only drive it on the roads they said you could?" Psystar says it will continue to sell the Open system, adding "We're not breaking any laws."

The suit was filed in 2008, its 2009 and Psystar continues to sell Open systems with OSX.


"Irrelevant, since Hardware is merely one small piece of the whole. "

Hardware is extremely important, just as important as OS, so its not irrelevant, would you buy a Mac if they only had Atom processors??

Windows is just as productive as OSX.

You totally deny that hardware is of any importance, you obviously don't know hardware, it has tremendous affect on how your OS is going to perform.

The point I want to get across is that PC's are cheaper & faster, and you can get just as much done as a Mac.. I've used both, Ive had a Macbook for 5months, I can do the exact same thing in both, I see no differences, except in the price & performance..

If you actually take the time and see benchmarks of X58 1366 Platform, you'll truly realize the differences, and how productive it really is in comparison to an Mac and the older LGA 775 Platform.. and thats because of hardware changes..


Heres me using Windows 7, its 1min clip you get to see how bad windows is .

Windows 7
theres a bit of lag, but its cuz of camtasia 6.0.. oh and my pc is 2yrs old