Images of New MacBook Pro With Magic Toolbar Leaked in macOS Sierra 10.12.1

[junkw]

Please tell me how removing the iPhone's headphone jack is proof that they're going to force all of their users to use Apple Pay

well

 

[cerberusss]

Why should I, as a user, adapt and change my ways?

You only have to do so, if you a) buy that particular new MacBook and b) use its keyboard.

 

[ccurzio]

Okay everybody stop it. Professionals do not use Function keys. Not ever, never.

Can the clueless people who keep claiming their idiotic contributions are an accurate reflection of "professionals" please just go ahead and exit stage left and stop replying in this thread (or anywhere else)? Thanks.

Professionals don't use Apple Pay or Touch ID.
Professionals don't use function keys.
Professionals don't need expanded connectivity options.

You people are ridiculous with this crap.

 

[cerberusss]

Okay everybody stop it. Professionals do not use Function keys.

Well actually.... Even Apple's own Xcode uses the F-keys during debugging...

I checked the latest 8.1 beta, but still it has these shortcut keys

 

[macpanzer]

If the dev box is a laptop without a 5 pound power supply? That's not a use case Apple ever intended. Dell didn't intend it for XPS line, Lenovo wouldn't recommend you do that on a Yoga... etc. I mean it might work, but you can't really complain if it doesn't.

ANY mobile chip would be underpowered and you probably can't run the RAM you would need and have a decent battery life.

You can't seriously be comparing a Yoga to a MBP?

 

[\-V-/]

Okay everybody stop it. Professionals do not use Function keys. Not ever, never. F-keys are a failed concept from 1965 and were replaced with Shortcuts a long time ago. At least ⌘C gives you a little hint on [C]opying. Nobody knows what his F4 and F8 keys do in each application. It's way harder to memorize a number with an action and it's almost impossible when the commands differ from application to application. That's why Media keys replaced the useless F-keys and made them a secondary option for backward compatibility purposes. Now the Magic Toolbar is finally a working attempt to offer a row of programmable app-specific soft keys. It's certainly a massive improvement to read the whole name of a command out loud, like [Cancel]. Especially for non-english speakers, who will now be able to get buttons in their own language, [キャンセル]. This is what the row of F-keys always should have done, but didn't.

You don't speak for everyone. Sorry to drop the ball.

 

[JPRain]

You can't seriously be comparing a Yoga to a MBP?

No, I'm not.

 

[nasa25]

my body.....it's ready

 

[kissmo]

Oh Great! That red message looks.... pfff.....
Maybe a tampon will reduce the saturation...

Jesus!

Nice design and Apple has to vomit again oversaturated colouring on everything....

Anyway - I need to upgrade - my MBP 17 inch died - GPU failure.....

I have the feeling that J. Ive has discovered the Saturation slider in PS and LR and now pulls that max to the right on every element in the interface.

 

[Gudi]

Why should I, as a user, adapt and change my ways? ... For over a decade, I've been doing things a certain way. Instead, now, I'm forced to update my muscle memory, update the workflow I do, update key mapping, etc.

That's an easy to answer question. Look computers aren't perfect and workflows aren't perfect either. To achieve any improvement on the it-just-works™ front, which goes beyond a faster processor, things have to change. You will eventually die and your muscle memory will die with you. Future generations are born every day and they don't care how computers used to work in the old days, like yesterday. The only thing that matters in the long run is the better workflow, not eternal backward compatibility. You've probably already dumped half of your computer knowledge when you switched from PC to Mac, because somebody told you Macs are easier to use. Now guess how Macs arrived at this point? Apple has a decades long history of breaking everybodies workflow and abandoning features and ports people heavily relied upon. The future will do fine without these things you regard as indispensable now. The Mac survived without a floppy drive and it will survive without F-keys and without pesky USB-A ports. People will buy Macs, because they don't have these ancient things on them.

You don't speak for everyone. Sorry to drop the ball.

I do however, speak the truth. And the truth is singular. Only one of us can be true and you offered no argument to support your view.

You people are ridiculous with this crap.

Welcome to the forum, newbie.

 

[jhudgins]

RIP my lovely esc button

I'm sure it will still be there. My guess is you can swipe through multiple function rows. One of them - probably the default - will be similar to what's on the current MacBook function row.

 

[cerberusss]

I'm sure it will still be there. My guess is you can swipe through multiple function rows.

That's a clever idea. If it does support swiping, I'm curious if we get some sort of volume slider.

 

[Gudi]

Even Apple's own Xcode uses the F-keys during debugging...

And? Have you yourself managed to memorize what F8 does in this context? People use Xcode, professionals use Xcode. People use shortcuts, even professionals don't use shortcuts they can't remember.

 

[TurboPGT!]

I've yet to meet someone, that doesn't hate the rMB keyboard, in the flesh. Have several customers, and acquaintances, that hate it, and regret their rMB purchases, because of it.

The majority of people having issues w/ the rMB KB grew up before schools stopped teaching typing, and also use their keyboards for quite a bit of data entry. (Invoices, Purchase Orders, call reports, scientific papers, etc)

I'm glad the Magic KB works for you, I know a few that use it, but dislike it, and only put off replacing it with a 3rd party KB due to the lack of better wireless options. (quite a few superior USB options, that I've found for customers willing to give up the wireless KB) Please understand that the Magic KB does have a bit more key travel then the KB on the rMB. They aren't entirely the same. I know people that hate the rMB KB, but are ok with the Magic KB. To someone that types a lot, even that slight difference can seem like allot, in daily use.

The point though, is that this is Apple's supposedly "Pro" laptop, that will only come with a KB that many users, that actually type, will hate.

And, yes, I'm sorry, but I call that, not giving a damn.

I don't really take your experience to mean anything. Typing on these lower profile/less travel keyboards is simply different. It is not inherently better or worse.

Someone that goes from the skyscraper keys that ship with a Dell desktop to a rMB are in for a huge adjustment to muscle memory. But as always change =/= bad, unless you're commenting in a forum where change is always bad.

 

[Xrayspectacles]

Wow. It looks so good. And the 13" model has the speakers at either side.

I can't wait for this event now!

Funny about the speakers. First thing that jumped out at me, but not in a positive way... I think the speakers look like an afterthought. I think they could have been more refined, playing off the keyboard bevel shape (see my image). Don't really care, but just thought I'd share

 

[macpanzer]

As the rumors say, Apple doesn't have a new iMac yet. Looks like Microsoft decided to fill the gap
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio

Oops, there's already another thread with over 400 posts about MS hardware...

 

[smacrumon]

Don't take criticism well do you? Imagine all the palm prints on it for starters. It would get so buggered up you'd have to clean it before each use. It is NOT a good idea. That one idea would send me to Lenovo in an instant.

I encourage criticism. What I don't accept is pointless comments that don't give explanations. Thanks for your view, but I disagree that it would get mucky.
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Funny about the speakers. First thing that jumped out at me, but not in a positive way... I think the speakers look like an afterthought. I think they could have been more refined, playing off the keyboard bevel shape (see my image). Don't really care, but just thought I'd share

They should have run speakers across the top like on MacBook. Some consistently wouldn't go down badly.

 

[\-V-/]

I do however, speak the truth. And the truth is singular. Only one of us can be true and you offered no argument to support your view.

You're speaking of preference and opinion, neither of which are truth. I don't need an argument to support my view. I simply disagree with you in that other people have different needs and uses than you and that's not some crazy idea. You spoke for everyone ... and you're not everyone. "Only one of us can be true" is ridiculous. If I made the statement "everyone only likes red cars" that would hold as much truth as your statement. Again, you don't speak for everyone. Everyone has different needs and use-cases. This isn't complicated.

 

[ilovenewjersey]

And? Have you yourself managed to memorize what F8 does in this context? People use Xcode, professionals use Xcode. People use shortcuts, even professionals don't use shortcuts they can't remember.

Lol! Of course we've memorized what F8 does in this context. I'm guessing you're not a developer.

 

[halfloaf]

Interesting looking device. I don't think it looks as good as the outgoing rMBPs. The speaker grilles on the 13" model and the "MacBook Pro" text on the front look tacky. The keyboard is likely the "butterfly" style keyboard, which, while posing certain advantages such as quietness and thinness, doesn't feel quite as good as the older chiclet keyboard.

Agreed, I think it's starting to look like a cheap Dell or Asus laptop. Those speaker grilles look manky as hell, they'll get full of dust and grime in no time. I call crappy design, sorry.

 

[Xrayspectacles]

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They should have run speakers across the top like on MacBook. Some consistently wouldn't go down badly.

Ya, agreed, that'd be nice too. -they should hire us for a day or two to set them straight

 

[Murgatroyd314]

It is actually. There will always be a transitional period. But in 2016 how many USB devices do people actually use? And buying a cheap adapter for a few £ won't do any harm. If you spend £1500 or more on a computer then a few £ for a replacement cable or two and a few adapters shouldn't hurt anyone. I'm all for progress and will happily accept USB-C only hardware.

Three on a regular basis, two more occasionally.

 

[NT1440]

Funny about the speakers. First thing that jumped out at me, but not in a positive way... I think the speakers look like an afterthought. I think they could have been more refined, playing off the keyboard bevel shape (see my image). Don't really care, but just thought I'd share

If you've used the Macbook you'd know Apple has put amazing speakers in for their size (they best the Macbook Pro 13" to begin with), I'm not worried about audio performance out of the new MBP's, hell if they can do what they did in the iPad Pro's just imagine what they're doing with the extra space afforded by the MBP.

 

[halfloaf]

You don't speak for everyone. Sorry to drop the ball.

Yeah agreed, try and tell anybody who uses AutoDesk applications and CAD apps that they don't need function keys..Pfff!

 

[laz232]

It is actually. There will always be a transitional period. But in 2016 how many USB devices do people actually use? And buying a cheap adapter for a few £ won't do any harm. If you spend £1500 or more on a computer then a few £ for a replacement cable or two and a few adapters shouldn't hurt anyone. I'm all for progress and will happily accept USB-C only hardware.

Regular use adapters (home and the 2-3 customers I work with):
Power supplys (3)
Ethernet to USB2 (2 of)
HDMI (is there a USB-C to HMDI/DisplayPort/DVI?, well I'll need 3 of those...)
USB3 and USB2 memory sticks (because 100k USD test equipment is not getting replaced to a USB-C equivalent)
GPIB-USB2 adapter (1k USD)

So now when I travel I'll need to take the adapters with me *and* adapters for the adapters (to USB-C).

In addition I will *always* have to carry 2xUSB2 to USB-C adapters in my pocket, for when I need to share some files (latest VHDL compilation, or getting some traces from an SA)

Of course I can spend 200 GBP buying USB adapters, or new adapters. Apart from that creating more e-waste (really *green* of you Tim Cook) - who wants to carry a pocket full of adapters?
Apple could have mounted 2x USB-C, Magsafe, HDMI and 2-USB3 SS ports, which would have not been any kind of compromise...