iMessage problems

[Surrix]

Doesn't matter. This is mainly a forum for average consumers to discuss Apple products, get help, etc. If there was a large amount of registered developers, how come there isn't a Developer forum where only Developers can talk about betas, etc?

Are you seriously positing that there aren't a ton of developers here?

Wrong! There are plenty of people who pay to have their UDID registered for only a couple of dollars so they can use iOS betas without having to hack through the activation. Just so you know, it's called "piracy". People are getting the beta for only a mere few dollars (because they payed a few dollars to have their UDID registered instead of paying 99 dollars to be in the Dev Program).

You obviously don't understand the dev program, which is understandable since you're not a part of it, but you oughtn't talk about what you don't understand (see below).

No, I watched the demo at the WWDC presentation when Scott Forstall was demoing iMessage. The other guy he was messaging had an iPhone. It automatically sent it as an iMessage because he had an iPhone and Scott had an iPad.

1) It didn't fail so I wouldn't know what happens if the iMessage fails

and 2) I'm not a registered developer, nor do I have the beta on my device so I wouldn't know what happens if the iMessage fails to send.

I only said I knew what happened, for example, between the iPhone and iPad at WWDC.

Therefore you were WRONG. You tried to sling poo ("I'm not even a registered developer and I know this. Seriously.") but the poo's on your face now.

 

[rmead001]

Doesn't matter. This is mainly a forum for average consumers to discuss Apple products, get help, etc. If there was a large amount of registered developers, how come there isn't a Developer forum where only Developers can talk about betas, etc?



Wrong! There are plenty of people who pay to have their UDID registered for only a couple of dollars so they can use iOS betas without having to hack through the activation. Just so you know, it's called "piracy". People are getting the beta for only a mere few dollars (because they payed a few dollars to have their UDID registered instead of paying 99 dollars to be in the Dev Program).

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No, I watched the demo at the WWDC presentation when Scott Forstall was demoing iMessage. The other guy he was messaging had an iPhone. It automatically sent it as an iMessage because he had an iPhone and Scott had an iPad.

1) It didn't fail so I wouldn't know what happens if the iMessage fails

and 2) I'm not a registered developer, nor do I have the beta on my device so I wouldn't know what happens if the iMessage fails to send.

I only said I knew what happened, for example, between the iPhone and iPad at WWDC.

I didn't buy my UDID slot from anyone and have and use Xcode, sorry for not explaining my whole situation. I may not have crazy apps but I play around with the development.

Also, you were wrong. Just because you watched the keynote doesn't mean you know jack about how anything works in the beta. You stated that iMessage will not send a text as a backup when in fact it does and always has. There is even an option in the message settings to send it as a text if iMessage fails.

It didn't fail so I wouldn't know what happens if the iMessage fails

Then you should have not said a word about it since you didn't know what happens but claimed to know.

I know this for a fact as I watched WWDC 2011; it doesn't "offer" to send as a text. It only sends as a text message if the user you are texting either A) doesn't have an iMessage capable device or B) the user you are trying to text doesn't have an iOS device period, which I guess is apart of "A".

I'm not even a registered developer and I know this. Seriously.

 

[shandyman]

No, I watched the demo at the WWDC presentation when Scott Forstall was demoing iMessage. The other guy he was messaging had an iPhone. It automatically sent it as an iMessage because he had an iPhone and Scott had an iPad.

1) It didn't fail so I wouldn't know what happens if the iMessage fails

and 2) I'm not a registered developer, nor do I have the beta on my device so I wouldn't know what happens if the iMessage fails to send.

I only said I knew what happened, for example, between the iPhone and iPad at WWDC.

lol you really can't comprehend can you, i was talking about me using beta 1, re-read what i said....

wrong, in beta 1 after 5 minutes of trying to send, it popped up asking if i wanted to send as SMS instead. others had it too, there's even a screenshot of it on the forum. i've not had any fail since, so dunno if that has changed

I've used it, therefore i think i would know what i am talking about.... lol in beta 1 it came up asking if you want to send as a text if it can't send after 5 minutes. FACT

 

[jonrando]

I never said it doesn't come up asking you if you wanted to send it as a text or iMessage. I was simply regurgitating what was said at WWDC about iMessage and how it worked.

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of developers here, I'm simply saying there are most likely more average consumers here than developers. Apple had a reason for creating their own private dev forums, y'know, and you guys are not using them. Instead, you're posting beta issues on a PUBLIC forum where ANYONE can reply, even non developers like myself, then you expect not to get chewed up for it. I know for a fact that not everyone on this site is a developer so posting beta issues on a forum with SOME (not all) developers on it is counter productive. Yes, you'd probably expect only developers to respond, but then again, there a those who have pirated copies of the OS (ones who are not in the dev program, therefore do not have the right to be using the software).

I'm not arguing about how iMessage works, I just think it's plain stupid to post beta software problems on a public forum where you have access to developer forums that only developers have access to.

 

[shandyman]

I never said it doesn't come up asking you if you wanted to send it as a text or iMessage. I was simply regurgitating what was said at WWDC about iMessage and how it worked.

Actually, you did:

I know this for a fact as I watched WWDC 2011; it doesn't "offer" to send as a text. It only sends as a text message if the user you are texting either A) doesn't have an iMessage capable device or B) the user you are trying to text doesn't have an iOS device period, which I guess is apart of "A".

I'm not even a registered developer and I know this. Seriously.

 

[jonrando]

Ah, I see. No counter argument for the rest of my post.

But anyway, yes, I new it for a fact from watching WWDC and the demo of iMessage. I'm not a developer so I don't know about all the other tiny features. All I know is that it wasn't shown in the demo.

Again, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER SO I'M GOING OFF WHAT AN AVERGAGE WOULD KNOW. Thank you.

 

[rmead001]

I never said it doesn't come up asking you if you wanted to send it as a text or iMessage. I was simply regurgitating what was said at WWDC about iMessage and how it worked.

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of developers here, I'm simply saying there are most likely more average consumers here than developers. Apple had a reason for creating their own private dev forums, y'know, and you guys are not using them. Instead, you're posting beta issues on a PUBLIC forum where ANYONE can reply, even non developers like myself, then you expect not to get chewed up for it. I know for a fact that not everyone on this site is a developer so posting beta issues on a forum with SOME (not all) developers on it is counter productive. Yes, you'd probably expect only developers to respond, but then again, there a those who have pirated copies of the OS (ones who are not in the dev program, therefore do not have the right to be using the software).

I'm not arguing about how iMessage works, I just think it's plain stupid to post beta software problems on a public forum where you have access to developer forums that only developers have access to.

So because I know there are a ton of people here using beta software I shouldn't reach out to them to see if they are experiencing any of the same issues I am? I can't use this as a resource? You said it yourself that there are a ton of people here on beta whether they should be or not. Why can't I poll them as well?

Honestly, if you have a problem with it, don't post and move on. It really is as simple as that.

 

[shandyman]

Ah, I see. No counter argument for the rest of my post.

But anyway, yes, I new it for a fact from watching WWDC and the demo of iMessage. I'm not a developer so I don't know about all the other tiny features. All I know is that it wasn't shown in the demo.

Again, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER SO I'M GOING OFF WHAT AN AVERGAGE WOULD KNOW. Thank you.

But you didn't know for a fact. you knew from your limited knowledge without thoroughly looking into it and then you challenged someone who's actually using the beta and actually knows what happens....

there are tons of people that aren't devs that are using the beta and are on here, you just can tell by all the threads on here!

this forum used to be well known for it's help, now you just get people like you here spouting insults and that. big whoop that non-devs use the betas. ignore it and move on. it makes sense for non-devs using the beta to discuss it here as they don't have anywhere else to do it and the forum has no rules against it.....

 

[kleinias]

Yes, but if he's really a developer, he has a private forum where he can discuss it among people who are the only ones who should really be using the software; developers. This is a public forum and isn't really a development / developer forum. He should be checking to see if it's "widespread" between developers, not average consumers.

As an example, I'd say I have a pretty advanced knowledge of iOS and Apples products, but as I'm not a developer and don't have access to the beta software, I really wouldn't be able to help out with his beta problems.

Developers are the onlys who have legal access to the beta software so it'd be counter-productive to discuss a beta issue with a forum populated mostly by average consumers. I think Apples intention with the private developer forums were exactly that; a place where developers can discuss developer / privately distributed software.

I know it's tough to admit you're wrong after digging in your heels, but you are contradicting yourself left and right in your posts. There are tons of developers and regular users on this forum (using the beta) and that makes it a pretty good place to discuss these things. Again, it makes perfect sense to find out if others that are using the same OS as you, are having any of the same issues that you are seeing. Since Macrumors is a forum with a lot of reasonably experienced iOS users (you claim to be one yourself), and quite a few developers on here are obviously using the beta, one would think it would be acceptable to discuss the aforementioned beta on a forum devoted to the maker of that operating system.

 

[mattdo93]

OP: I don't have any iMessage problems at all. So maybe you should do a restore?

 

[shandyman]

I know it's tough to admit you're wrong after digging in your heels, but you are contradicting yourself left and right in your posts. There are tons of developers and regular users on this forum (using the beta) and that makes it a pretty good place to discuss these things. Again, it makes perfect sense to find out if others that are using the same OS as you, are having any of the same issues that you are seeing. Since Macrumors is a forum with a lot of reasonably experienced iOS users (you claim to be one yourself), and quite a few developers on here are obviously using the beta, one would think it would be acceptable to discuss the aforementioned beta on a forum devoted to the maker of that operating system.

Exactly, he's contradicted himself quite a bit, its slightly entertaining.

like you said, lots of people are using the beta without being a dev, so can't use the dev forum. personally i test apps for my mate as a favour, so i can't access dev forum, so i come here where i know lots of other people are doing similar to discuss and just help out.

it's not against macrumors forum rules to discuss betas here so we've down nothing wrong. just a shame that some people are ruining the atmosphere of the forum.

OP: i've not had an issue so far on beta 4 yet

 

[jonrando]

I could really care less if I'm wrong, tbh. I was just stating what I heard and saw at WWDC and you guys are looking way into it.

I'm not gonna argue anymore because we're just gonna go in circles. I just think it's pointless to poll a public forum on BETA software when there's a private dev forum to do so. You probably really aren't a developer, because most developers would go to the dev forum before a public forum where they are less likely to get help. I haven't seen one person really come this thread to help you out with the problem at hand, mayb2 or 3 people say they've had or haven't had the issue you're stating you have. You've all just come here to argue with me.

Bye!

 

[shandyman]

I could really care less if I'm wrong, tbh. I was just stating what I heard and saw at WWDC and you guys are looking way into it.

I'm not gonna argue anymore because we're just gonna go in circles. I just think it's pointless to poll a public forum on BETA software when there's a private dev forum to do so. You probably really aren't a developer, because most developers would go to the dev forum before a public forum where they are less likely to get help. I haven't seen one person really come this thread to help you out with the problem at hand, mayb2 or 3 people say they've had or haven't had the issue you're stating you have. You've all just come here to argue with me.

Bye!

Nice to see that you STILL haven't read what has been said.... people who aren't devs will install the BETA software and they will come here to talk.

You have no point to argue as you were wrong and just cannot admit it...

as i said, i'm not a dev, but my friend is and i test for him. so i validly have the beta and can't access the dev forum. I know for a fact he uses this forum, and so do many others, like JASApplications of the top of my head.

there are many threads by people using the beta talking on this forum, but not everyone reads every thread. there was a thread about the Facebook app being broken in beta 3, some people said about it, came up with a workaround to help out, so really, this forum can help people out using the beta.

if you don't like people using beta's when not being a dev, thats your issue, ignore beta threads and do something productive with your time rather than just hating on people.....

 

[jonrando]

Cool beans.

 

[rmead001]

OP: I don't have any iMessage problems at all. So maybe you should do a restore?

Ya that's about the only thing left to do. I'm not going full restore for a beta so I'll wait until official comes out and if I still have problems perform the restore then. Not a huge fan of losing my app data and resetting my camera roll.

I like how this guy just assumes everyone with a proper beta installed HAS TO HAVE ACCESS TO DEV FORUMS. Has it occurred to you that my friend gave me access because I install his apps to test for him? It probably hasn't. Beta access was just a perk. I was actually going to wait but the new notification system is hard to resist once you see it in action.

 

[shandyman]

Ya that's about the only thing left to do. I'm not going full restore for a beta so I'll wait until official comes out and if I still have problems perform the restore then. Not a huge fan of losing my app data and resetting my camera roll.

I like how this guy just assumes everyone with a proper beta installed HAS TO HAVE ACCESS TO DEV FORUMS. Has it occurred to you that my friend gave me access because I install his apps to test for him? It probably hasn't. Beta access was just a perk. I was actually going to wait but the new notification system is hard to resist once you see it in action.

well you could try a full restore, test out to see if you still have the problem, if still got it, the just restore your backup so no harm no foul.

he's just being plain ignorant and immature, i'm in the same boat as you, testing apps for a mate, beta is a perk. i already said this in a reply to him, but he chose to ignore it and just ranted about us not being developers, even though i said it, i've never claimed to be one myself

 

[mattdo93]

Ya that's about the only thing left to do. I'm not going full restore for a beta so I'll wait until official comes out and if I still have problems perform the restore then. Not a huge fan of losing my app data and resetting my camera roll.

You can always restore from a backup.

 

[rmead001]

You can always restore from a backup.

good call. I'll get with my buddy and see if he's up for it. Thanks for the hope guys.

 

[shandyman]

good call. I'll get with my buddy and see if he's up for it. Thanks for the hope guys.

yea that's what i suggested above him.

should be easy to do, just do a backup on itunes now, then do the restore from beta 4 ipsw, test it, if no joy, then just do the restore from backup and no loss let us know what happens.

 

[rmead001]

yea that's what i suggested above him.

should be easy to do, just do a backup on itunes now, then do the restore from beta 4 ipsw, test it, if no joy, then just do the restore from backup and no loss let us know what happens.

Will do. Might be a few days but I'll report back. The downside is going to be if it works and I have to start fresh. Ugh

 

[shandyman]

Will do. Might be a few days but I'll report back. The downside is going to be if it works and I have to start fresh. Ugh

yea that sucks, but to be expected in beta sadly

 

[Surrix]

The downside is going to be if it works and I have to start fresh. Ugh

Not necessarily. It's possible the final release would still fix the issue being presented in the beta.

I would suggest not permanently starting fresh until the final release (should it prove to fix the issue by starting fresh, that is).

 

[shandyman]

Not necessarily. It's possible the final release would still fix the issue being presented in the beta.

I would suggest not permanently starting fresh until the final release (should it prove to fix the issue by starting fresh, that is).

he means to use beta 4 final release should deffo fix it

 

[iMrNiceGuy0023]

i dont have access to iOS 5 beta, so I have an iMessage question.

does iMessage give you PIN like BBM to give out to users?

 

[Munchkinsdad]

No there is no pin. The iPhone automatically uses iMessage if the person you are texting has it