iMovie '08 Was Originally Called 'First Cut', Ubillos on Final Cut Pro X

[ksgant]

The only thing that bugs me is that they stopped selling Final Cut Pro Studio. If they had kept that and then released FCPX, people could still buy the old one while learning the new one...and waiting for it to become more robust with updates and features added as they went.

Burning bridges behind you may work for some things, but for others I think Apple should have at least kept the old version around until more people got updated with the new one.

I'm not even talking about support with updates to the old version, but just keep it for sale in case there are installations that need another seat for whatever reason. Naturally, ones that already have the old version can keep using it, but you're stuck with it and can't buy additional seats if you need them.

 

[Oletros]

What opinion? As i said you can't say the product sucks when it's at version 1.0 and then be taken seriously. People throwing the Pro argument here a lot, but as i said no one will just jump to use it even if it has all the features in verion 1.0.


You do realize that it will have those features in a year or so?

No, it's not version 1 or, better said, Apple doesn't say it's version 1, they say it's the version after FC 7 and that replaces FC7

 

[Michael Scrip]

I remember all the "oohs and aahs" at the Final Cut Supermeet in April when Apple first unveiled FCPX. I watched that entire video. There were so many new time-saving features. And the people in the audience were going crazy.

What they didn't talk about was... well... all the stuff you can't do anymore.

It's now a complete 180 from the joy people had back in April...

 

[TiggsPanther]

The real tragedy here is if Apple thinks all the anger over FCP X is just about that particular software, and not the growing fear over the last few years that pro apps and gear are a fading priority for Apple. For instance:

Not forgetting the Xserve getting discontinued and OS X Server being rolled into the mail OS as a small-priced bolt-on upgrade.

Not encouraging for anyone who administers (or plans to) a fleet of Macs in the workplace.

I know it's business sense to cater for your primary market, and home users really are the pretty major part of that these days. But it seems more and more like they're completely turning away form what they used to make.
Which is a shame if what they used to make was the best fit for something.

 

[StephenCampbell]

I am deeply disturbed by these trends that have been happening at Apple lately. QuickTime 7, iMovie 06 and Final Cut Pro 6 (or 7) were Perfect. They were perfect. Apple had reached a level of perfection unprecedented in the world of technology, and then they went and ruined every single one of those applications.

I still use iMovie 06 myself, as well as QuickTime 7. But I know a day will come when they will no longer run on the latest machines, and the thought of that day frightens me, and makes me think I might have to buy a PC.

What are they thinking!? Seriously, what are they thinking? They're taking excellent programs and replacing them with programs that DON'T HAVE ANY FEATURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pika2000]

No, it's not version 1 or, better said, Apple doesn't say it's version 1, they say it's the version after FC 7 and that replaces FC7

Sure, and as a"pro," you would immediately buy a brand new software to replace a mission critical one.

 

[Jerome Morrow]

No, it's not version 1 or, better said, Apple doesn't say it's version 1, they say it's the version after FC 7 and that replaces FC7

It has a different name and it's done from scratch i think it's safe to say that it's at version 1 now.

 

[TiggsPanther]

I remember all the "oohs and aahs" at the Final Cut Supermeet in April when Apple first unveiled FCPX. I watched that entire video. There were so many new time-saving features. And the people in the audience were going crazy.

What they didn't talk about was... well... all the stuff you can't do anymore.

It's now a complete 180 from the joy people had back in April...

This is a problem I see with Apple's secrecy about upcoming products. There are definitely times when it works perfectly. Leave people wondering and speculating and drive the hype up to near-Religious levels. Generate free buzz and augment your marketing budget by word of mouth.

Tends to work phenomenally with purely consumer products.

They go the same track with their professional products, too, and this is where I see it falter at times. The hype, the buzz, the excitement. It's all still there. Then there's the nervousness of the pro user who wonders if the new product will do what the old one will, as well as if the old product will be avilaable afterwards to aid transition in case it's not.
(Sudden discontinuation of a tried and tested product when it's replacement isn't a guaranteed fit can play merry hell with budget scheduling)

Then there's the big negative. Uncontrolled expectations. Dropping a "surprise, here's a new product that will be the only version aviliable from now on" is not very good on release day. It generate negative buzz.
If this information had been slowly released between April and now, the vitriol would proably be a lot less severe. People would still be disappointed, but there would have been the time to adjust. And, most importantly, the initial upsets would not be right in the middle of the new-product marketing and reviewing cycle.

I've heard one positive on it, from a colleague who got a copy. And even he will be sticking with the old Studio for a bit, owing to missing features.
The rest is nothing but complaints about FCP X on various websites and podcasts. This doesn't necessarily mean it's a rubbish product. But right now there's more negative buzz than positive. It will die down, as the product will improve. But as first impresions go, this one should have been handled better.

 

[res1233]

I am deeply disturbed by these trends that have been happening at Apple lately. QuickTime 7, iMovie 06 and Final Cut Pro 6 (or 7) were Perfect. They were perfect. Apple had reached a level of perfection unprecedented in the world of technology, and then they went and ruined every single one of those applications.

I still use iMovie 06 myself, as well as QuickTime 7. But I know a day will come when they will no longer run on the latest machines, and the thought of that day frightens me, and makes me think I might have to buy a PC.

What are they thinking!? Seriously, what are they thinking? They're taking excellent programs and replacing them with programs that DON'T HAVE ANY FEATURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apple likes to start from scratch now and then. It's what they did with Mac OS X, and I'm sure we can all agree that it was a much needed change. I remember OS 9 freezing all the time from poorly written Apps. Now, the only thing that freezes is that poorly written app, as it should be. Then there's the Unix underpinnings. Overall, I'd say that was a good change, although, as many of us remember, OS X version 1.0 was barely usable. It was missing many features, some of which didn't even come back till snow leopard (put back trash feature). I think the same will happen with FCPX. They did a complete rewrite, and I think they never intended the majority of pros to be happy with this initial version. I expect a wave of new features to come in either an update or an upgrade (Hopefully an update.)

 

[arn]

I am deeply disturbed by these trends that have been happening at Apple lately. QuickTime 7, iMovie 06 and Final Cut Pro 6 (or 7) were Perfect. They were perfect. Apple had reached a level of perfection unprecedented in the world of technology, and then they went and ruined every single one of those applications.

It's bold, certainly.

Taking it in such a dramatic new direction is risky. But I respect that Apple's willing to take the risk.

There's a reason that Blackberry or Palm didn't come out with an iPhone. Or that Sony didn't come out the the iPod. Those technologies would be too disruptive to their current existence.

A great example of a company that is doing this is Netflix. They invented the mail-order DVD. And yet they invested heavily in streaming, hurting their own DVD-mail order business. But they knew that DVD-mail order was doomed, so they helped kill it.

arn

 

[Oletros]

Sure, and as a"pro," you would immediately buy a brand new software to replace a mission critical one.

Can you show me where I have said anything like that?

Thanks.

 

[StephenCampbell]

Apple likes to start from scratch now and then. It's what they did with Mac OS X, and I'm sure we can all agree that it was a much needed change. I remember OS 9 freezing all the time from poorly written Apps. Now, the only thing that freezes is that poorly written app, as it should be. Then there's the Unix underpinnings. Overall, I'd say that was a good change, although, as many of us remember, OS X version 1.0 was barely usable. It was missing many features, some of which didn't even come back till snow leopard (put back trash feature). I think the same will happen with FCPX. They did a complete rewrite, and I think they never intended the majority of pros to be happy with this initial version. I expect a wave of new features to come in either an update or an upgrade (Hopefully an update.)

These are good points and observations. Thanks for your insight! It's calmed me down some.

 

[Jerome Morrow]

The only thing that bugs me is that they stopped selling Final Cut Pro Studio. If they had kept that and then released FCPX, people could still buy the old one while learning the new one...and waiting for it to become more robust with updates and features added as they went.

Burning bridges behind you may work for some things, but for others I think Apple should have at least kept the old version around until more people got updated with the new one.

I'm not even talking about support with updates to the old version, but just keep it for sale in case there are installations that need another seat for whatever reason. Naturally, ones that already have the old version can keep using it, but you're stuck with it and can't buy additional seats if you need them.

Maybe they are actually very serious about new FCPX and it will have all required features very soon.

 

[Oletros]

It has a different name and it's done from scratch i think it's safe to say that it's at version 1 now.

No, it doesn't have a different name, it has a different version suffix

 

[res1233]

It's bold, certainly.

Taking it in such a dramatic new direction is risky. But I respect that Apple's willing to take the risk.

There's a reason that Blackberry or Palm didn't come out with an iPhone. Or that Sony didn't come out the the iPod. Those technologies would be too disruptive to their current existence.

A great example of a company that is doing this is Netflix. They invented the mail-order DVD. And yet they invested heavily in streaming, hurting their own DVD-mail order business. But they knew that DVD-mail order was doomed, so they helped kill it.

arn

So true. I don't even have DVDs on my netflix subscription as I find streaming far more convenient, and they have quite a decent selection of titles at this point. It's the forward-thinking companies that last, or the ones who are good at copying the forward thinkers.

 

[the vj]

First off all....

I am sick of the stupid kids who has no idea of video editing posting their useless garbage in here.

Final Cut Pro X IS GARBAGE!!!!

I work in a TV station, we had no less than 900 projects in FCP 7 and is just no tolerable not having FCP X not reading those projects 100%. We are not exporting in any other stinky format, WE JUST CAN NOT! WE HAVE NO TIME!

Compressor 3 was mediocre enough, Final Cut Server was a complete lie already.

By the end of the year we are going to switch the entire platform to Adobe Premiere and that is going to cost our shareholders some good money and time and training but better safe than depending on Steve Jobs

There are not excuses, we have been left alone on the wild with FCP X. It is a lame joke that has no excuses.

It is just like changing every single gas station to hydrogen overnight. What do I do with my car now? you ask, well we are not supporting it anymore.

I mean, the bunch of kids doesn't get it.

If I had a gun with one bullet and had Fidel Castro in front of me or Randi Ubillos... wow... I would be pointing back and forth.

Steve Balmer must be shocked and laughing at this and you bet FCP X will end up in the Guinness Book of Records as the biggest software flaw ever!

 

[pika2000]

Can you show me where I have said anything like that?

Thanks.

If you didn't do that, then what's your complaint about Apple "replacing" FCP7? Your existing FCP7 didn't magically break when FCPX was released, did it?

 

[res1233]

I am sick of the stupid kids who has no idea of video editing posting their useless garbage in here.

Final Cut Pro X IS GARBAGE!!!!

I work in a TV station, we had no less than 900 projects in FCP 7 and is just no tolerable not having FCP X not reading those projects 100%. We are not exporting in any other stinky format, WE JUST CAN NOT! WE HAVE NO TIME!

Compressor 3 was mediocre enough, Final Cut Server was a complete lie already.

By the end of the year we are going to switch the entire platform to Adobe Premiere and that is going to cost our shareholders some good money and time and training but better safe than depending on Steve Jobs.

There are not excuses, we have been left alone on the wild with FCP X. It is a lame joke that has no excuses.

It is just like changing every single gas station to hydrogen overnight. What do I do with my car now? you ask, well we are not supporting it anymore.

I mean, the bunch of kids doesn't get it.

If I had a gun with one bullet and had Fidel Castro in front of me or Randi Ubillos... wow... I would be pointing back and forth.

Steve Balmer must be shocked and laughing at this and you bet FCP X will end up in the Guinness Book of Records as the biggest software flaw ever!

A perfect example of someone who doesn't look to the future. Someday, once FCPX is fully featured, we should return to this forum for a few chuckles. Also, if you're so quick to dump a perfectly fine product (Final cut pro 7) because the latest revision isn't up to snuff, causing so many other issues along the way, perhaps you should consider another line of work...

 

[Jerome Morrow]

No, it doesn't have a different name, it has a different version suffix

Well then as a complete rewrite from scratch it surely is at version 1 even if it says 10 (just to continue old versioning).

 

[ghost187]

Don't you guys get it? Apple is changing as a company from Pro to consumer. This year alone they discontinued their server hardware and now they are dumbing down Final Cut. They didn't release a new iWork either. I think from now on, they will just make small upgrades more consistently to their softwares which is better for us consumers because we won't have to keep paying for the same software. Apple is trying to push MBA more than MBPs or any other Macs right now is just another proof. You can't blame them for focusing on what makes them money. Wouldn't be too surprised if Logic Studio was simplified too. I think they are preparing their Pro applications for iPad in the future.

 

[Oletros]

If you didn't do that, then what's your complaint about Apple "replacing" FCP7? Your existing FCP7 didn't magically break when FCPX was released, did it?

And now can you show me where I complained about FCPX replacing anything?

I just said that it wasn't version 1 and Apple doesn't say it is version 1, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[pika2000]

I am sick of the stupid kids who has no idea of video editing posting their useless garbage in here.

Final Cut Pro X IS GARBAGE!!!!

I work in a TV station, we had no less than 900 projects in FCP 7 and is just no tolerable not having FCP X not reading those projects 100%. We are not exporting in any other stinky format, WE JUST CAN NOT! WE HAVE NO TIME!

Riiiight, because as a "pro," you would immediately replace your mission critical software with a brand new untested one, despite you having "no time."

 

[Jerome Morrow]

Don't you guys get it? Apple is changing as a company from Pro to consumer. This year alone they discontinued their server hardware and now they are dumbing down Final Cut.

No, we don't get it. Obviously.

 

[pika2000]

And now can you show me where I complained about FCPX replacing anything?

I just said that it wasn't version 1 and Apple doesn't say it is version 1, nothing more, nothing less.

they say it's the version after FC 7 and that replaces FC7

But good to know that you were not complaining. Let's move on then.

 

[JesterJJZ]

These are good points and observations. Thanks for your insight! It's calmed me down some.

Most of our files that worked in OS9 still worked on OSX though. They even had Classic mode, and then Rosetta for the PPC-Intel transition. Here they just cut off our heads and left us bleeding...