iMovie to Receive Update and Move Online?

[Cormac]

Re: iMovie to Receive Update and Move Online?

I hope not. If true, I wouldn't upgrade until the version that I had on my HD was obsolete and unusable. If everyone had a dedicated T1 line or something like that, this might ok, but since most everyone doesn't, it won't work. Like some others have said, I don't want to sit around waiting for a multi-GB movie or file uploads on a DSL line.

 

[slieu92]

or

These rumors could be for mobileme versions of the programs for apple's iphone/touch side of the market.

 

[0098386]

Please no. Just make a low-level quicktime style video editor where you can cut bits of videos up, replace the sound etc. But to fully move to web app only? No!

Don't do this Apple.

 

[DogcowUK]

I think a few points need emphasizing:

1. Just because the app is in "the cloud" doesn't mean your data has to be too, so forget about having to upload gigabytes of data, your data can be locally stored.

2. Just because the app is in "the cloud" doesn't mean you need an active net connection to use it. Remember SproutCore lets you create web apps that look like desktop apps that can be downloaded and run offline.

If the rumour is true these will have to be some of the most advanced web apps ever seen. Personally I can't see it for iMovie, I can't imagine a fully fledged iMovie running as a web app, especially seeing how much time it's taken to get me.com's Mail app running well. iWork maybe, but fully fledged with all the bobs and whistles...

If the point is taking more Apple apps cross platform then what's easier... porting a Cocoa app to Windows or re-building it completely as a web app?

 

[charlituna]

How about they give me iMovie 06 back since 08 is complete garbage

i disagree. while I hate the audio handling in '08 and would be happy, thrilled even to go back to the HD style, 08's handling of footage is much better. in HD you have multiple copies of the same media if you used it in different projects, which fills up a hard drive every quickly.

and i've heard the same comments from others

something in between the two would make a lot of folks very happy.

as for this whole cloud thing. I don't see it being practical and would be very shocked to see it happen as a replacement for iwork or ilife on one's actual computer. as an alternative perhaps. but I will not be uninstalling either package any time soon.

iTunes already syncs over the cloud.

hardly.

and wifi is not that fast. not enough for movie editing etc. Mobile me won't even accept large files. craps out at like 1gb.

iWork being integrated into the cloud doesnt prevent you from using it on a stationery mac.

not according to the rumors. they are saying that Apple is going to quit work on the current desktop version of iwork and take it web based. which means that any of the very needed improvements you couldn't use on your offline computer.

Weintraub specifically points to several benefits of integrating iMovie into MobileMe's "cloud":

sorry but putting imovie in the cloud isn't what is needed for making watching movies easier. you edit it, you drop it in an iphoto gallery and then you have a method for viewing the gallery from your device. boom. that's all you need.

Have fun uploading 28 GB of home movie footage to MobileMe servers. See you in 2011 when the upload has finished.

have fun getting them clipped to sizes MobileMe will let you upload at all.

 

[markm49uk]

Agreed. I think this is the direction that Apple is heading. Done right, the end user might not even notice the difference between a webapp and an application running locally.

You are joking right ?

Seriously you are suggesting that a web app can be as powerful as native code running locally ?

It's absolute madness - what if the Internet is not available ?

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

Cloud based services, is Apple trying to copy Google services. Lately Apple is lacking vision with they application dept.

Lets get MobileMe perfected then add the rest of the iWork and iLife apps to it.

Then again Open Office works well enough, no need for iWork.

 

[Bonte]

If this happens, where is the intensive for anyone to buy a mac, at all? Any "Joe Six Pack" would just buy a PC, download iTunes and Safari, subscribe to mobile me, and have all of the benefits of having a Mac without buying the hardware... or is this what they want?

Apple has a extra income from iTunes and the AppStore for there mobile devices, they want to extend that to the Mac but thats not so easy. Mobile Me is there latest offering to lure us into a subscription service and they need the Windows crowd to make it work.

If you look at it from a distance we all had this in the '90, Apple had it to soon on the market but it was there in some basic form.

Newton PDA -> iPod touch/iPhone
eMate -> yet to be announced netbook or tablet
Apple Bandai Pippin -> iPod touch / AppleTV
Pippin clones and Mac clones -> to be introduced?
@Home or something like that, Apple had a online service back then but i can't find anything on the web now.

 

[kgraf6]

Has anyone thought of the possibility that maybe the applications are within a web browser, but work with your local data. And then if you access iMovie from a different computer, the data is accessed from over the web. Essentially your computer would be your own server. Only a low quality version would be streamed via the web for editing. You could edit your videos from anywhere, and then when you get home export the final video and you are done. Sounds alright to me.

Anyway, we could co around assuming what Apple might do all day. Best to wait and see their implementation of it.

I think a few points need emphasizing:

1. Just because the app is in "the cloud" doesn't mean your data has to be too, so forget about having to upload gigabytes of data, your data can be locally stored.

You beat me to it.

 

[pomus]

phenomenal idea

As far as I'm concerned, certain technologies i.e. Quicktime X could help make this a reality. Think of the webapp more of a quasi-iMovie, and sproutcore make this possible. I also recall a patent that would allow a video file to contain different video sizes.

Think about it. Pretend you made an 80MB video in iMovie, and that is obviously possible to store on the cloud. Now imagine a 4MB chunk of the file allows you to view and edit the file via web or iPhone. Once edited, that chunk of data is then applied to the 80MB video. Somethink kind of like an xml file affecting a raw file.

Now that would be awesome, to have iLife/iWork on a cloud and on the iPhone . Of course, the cloud would be an implementation to the desktop suite.

 

[Aldaris]

argh...

Is this the cloud?

I'd really just like to have all my Apps locally, so I don't have to have any worry of outside factors, like if my net is down, or stalls... Granted I use Final Cut- but I hope this "Cloude" editing notion is just an enhancement on our local Apps

 

[yoyo5280]

NO!

 

[econoline06]

Holy crap the whole "cloud" rumors are the friggin' dumbest I've ever heard. Even microsoft hasn't moved their crap to the "cloud" yet, and they are all about it. Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid.

Has anyone thought of the possibility that maybe the applications are within a web browser, but work with your local data. And then if you access iMovie from a different computer, the data is accessed from over the web. Essentially your computer would be your own server. Only a low quality version would be streamed via the web for editing. You could edit your videos from anywhere, and then when you get home export the final video and you are done. Sounds alright to me.

Anyway, we could co around assuming what Apple might do all day. Best to wait and see their implementation of it.

Still a friggin' stupid idea.

I hope not. If true, I wouldn't upgrade until the version that I had on my HD was obsolete and unusable. If everyone had a dedicated T1 line or something like that, this might ok, but since most everyone doesn't, it won't work. Like some others have said, I don't want to sit around waiting for a multi-GB movie or file uploads on a DSL line.

Uh NO. Even a T-1 line is CRAP these days, everyone that has broadband has speeds better than T-1. T-2 maybe, T-1? No way. I believe T-1 is maybe 3Mbps. My comcrap connection is 8Mbps.

 

[IlluminatedSage]

sorry, but i don't mind some stuff online. but i am not a fan of web based applications.

they just don't cut it and take real advantage of all the computing power you bought. also if you are not online, it is a huge problem, what kind of work can you do when travelling?

it isn't a real solution, lets hope its only part of it.

i'd rather keep stand alone applications which can publish to online or output files to be used on ipod touch or iphone.

 

[BTW]

I hope they're not trying to compete against Google's Youtube.

Man, I hope these iWork and iLife rumors are false. Ease us into it and two feet in.

 

[CyberBob859]

If this happens, there's really no point in getting a Mac anymore for the average consumer, is there? They'd just get Mobile Me and any Windows PC. Why not?

Safari? I can get that on a PC.
iTunes? Also on PC.
Mail? On Mobile Me.
Address Book? Also on Mobile Me.
iCal? Yup, on mobile me.

and then if this goes through...

iMovie, iPhoto, iWeb, Garageband? All on mobile me.
Along with Pages, Keynote, and Numbers.


If this happens, where is the intensive for anyone to buy a mac, at all? Any "Joe Six Pack" would just buy a PC, download iTunes and Safari, subscribe to mobile me, and have all of the benefits of having a Mac without buying the hardware... or is this what they want?

I think they want to sell services, which is a smart thing to do.

I just took a bunch of pictures over the holidays. I transfered the pictures from my camera to a Windows netbook, started Safari, logged into my MobileMe account, and uploaded the photos to my MobileMe Gallery. Then I sent out the email link to some family members to share.

Didn't use any Mac hardware at all.

 

[Bearxor]

This is definitely in the realm of possibility but, as has been pointed out, the data would be stored on your local machine. You may even have a shortcut in your applications folder to go straight to iMovie Online. The benefits would be easy to share videos and always having the newest version with access to new templates and such all the time. Makes a lot of sense, which leads me in to...

The iMovie '08 hate. What's so bad about it? It's completely functional and a wonderful way to edit for it's intended audience. Joe 6-Pack sitting at home with a cheapie camera wanting to put together something quick. iMovie '06 is too close to Final Cut Express in terms of functionality. Expect a wider separation in the future, not less of one. Otherwise there's no need for three different video editing suites.

Can't wait to see the FCP redesign at NAB though

 

[CraigStanton]

iWeb already effortlessly uploads to a folder in MobileMe's iDisk.
iPhoto already sends it's content to the special Gallery section on MobileMe's iDisk.
iTunes already syncs over the cloud.

One of us doesn't understand what all this means. I hope it's you, but corect me if I'm wrong. I can use iPhoto on my Mac without an internet connection. The processing happens on my Mac and the photos are stored on my Mac. If the rest of the world dies, providing I still have 240V I still have my photos. Sure I can share them online, but that's totally different form moving the app into the cloud.

speed of network is the limiting factor and has been and will be the problem for the next 5 years for service providers. but WI-FI is there, so whats the problem?

....

iWork being integrated into the cloud doesnt prevent you from using it on a stationery mac.

You know WiFi is within your local network right? Copying content to and from Apple's servers is nothing to do with WiFi, it's your internet connection (ADSL, T1 etc etc) that matters. My Panasonic camera records onto SD cards at 4GB for 30 mins. If I have iMovie "in the cloud" and it has to send that to Apple's servers before I can start cutting bits and then exporting a full HD version it'll take weeks for me to upload all my content.

Hell iMovie '08 won't even read HD content from an Airdisk (as in Airport Extreme, what makes anyone think it would be a good idea to try the same over the internet.

 

[~Shard~]

I don't understand how this would be feasible due to the large file sizes involved and not everyone having high speed Internet access, among other things. Web-based movie editing just doesn't seem very intuitive to me. Sharing it via MobileMe, okay, sure, but does the app need to be web-based for this to be the case?

Also, I do not like the idea of Apple subtly forcing Mac users to pay $99/year for MobileMe. If they make iMovie, iWork and potentially the rest of the iLife suite web-based, then users will practically be forced to subscribe to MobileMe. Not only will many users object to having to pay $99 to leverage the web-based functionality that MobileMe would provide, but they will also (rightfully) take issue with having to pay for what is still not a stable service.

 

[iGuardian]

Uh, no it doesn't.

Ever heard of Genius?

 

[Michael CM1]

I know I'm late to the party, but iMovie going totally online makes NO sense. It would cost an extreme amount of money, be slow as Christmas, and probably require some subscription. I get a portion of it being online, kinda like videos on Facebook, but this makes no sense.

 

[~Shard~]

I know I'm late to the party, but iMovie going totally online makes NO sense. It would cost an extreme amount of money, be slow as Christmas, and probably require some subscription. I get a portion of it being online, kinda like videos on Facebook, but this makes no sense.

Yeah, exactly - I understand the concept of easily sharing vids with friends and family, porting or accessing them on a portable device such as an iPhone and so forth, but making the app web-based itself doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Mal]

I didn't read the whole thread, but from the first page it looks like people are missing one crucial detail that does give this some credibility:

"Cloud" based movie editing would gain a potential huge increase in speed, because the server farms used to power it could be significantly more powerful than a single computer.

Of course, it's not going to be viable until upload speeds are significantly better, so I still don't believe it (iWork was possible, but iMovie isn't going to happen), but there are potential advantages.

jW

 

[Whiternoise]

It's a crap idea, no doubt.

But are people mis-interpreting this slightly? I was under the impression that they just run in the browser, there's no messing with file uploads. As so many have said, it's ridiculous even by today's technology.

What i don't get is people complaining that they're going to be uploading >10GB files. If you're working in HD and you've got that sort of filesize.. why the hell are you using iMovie? If you can afford an HD Camcorder and you need to do some serious editing, suck up and by Premiere or Vegas..

It seems a very very unlikely move by apple. What i would be less surprised at is if they developed a suite of applications like Google Docs. It makes sense, right? You can edit movies wherever you are, you can fiddle with your spreadsheets and presentations away from your computer, etc. I doubt very much it's going to be the end of paid for discs.

 

[Michael CM1]

I didn't read the whole thread, but from the first page it looks like people are missing one crucial detail that does give this some credibility:

"Cloud" based movie editing would gain a potential huge increase in speed, because the server farms used to power it could be significantly more powerful than a single computer.

Of course, it's not going to be viable until upload speeds are significantly better, so I still don't believe it (iWork was possible, but iMovie isn't going to happen), but there are potential advantages.

jW

I get your theory of the servers, but all of that gets nullified by the fact that there's not an Internet connection in the whole 'verse fast enough to compensate for increased server power. Besides, how much more powerful are these servers than a quad-core processor, which the iMacs and Mac Pro will probably have before the end of the year?