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In your opinion is the slower SSD controversy in the base M2 Air overblown?

  • Yes

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  • No

    Votes: 136 28.3%
  • Haven't tested it yet

    Votes: 57 11.9%

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It’s not hard to know what the target use cases are for the lowest end, lightest new laptop. You can pretend it’s ‘conjecture’, but that’s pretty transparently a dodge.
If you press "reply" button on a post you actually can have the quoted material embedded in your post. In this way, a notice is sent to the person you are quoting so they know you are responding. As to the substance of your post, I already rebutted it in this thread -- so it's clearly not a dodge.
 
So most of this is an explanation of forum features (uh, thanks?) and no, you didn’t. It’s well established what groups are targeted (ie the target audience) of the very lowest, base model laptop in Apple’s lineup.

I think you’re just arguing to prove something to yourself.
 
So most of this is an explanation of forum features (uh, thanks?) and no, you didn’t. It’s well established what groups are targeted (ie the target audience) of the very lowest, base model laptop in Apple’s lineup.

I think you’re just arguing to prove something to yourself.
The target audience I presume is people who want the lightest laptop. Alternatively, it is for people who want the least expensive. Neither of these groups, ipso facto, want an SSD less capable than the prior device it replaces.
 
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The target audience I presume is people who want the lightest laptop. Alternatively, it is for people who want the least expensive. Neither of these groups, ipso facto, want an SSD less capable than the prior device it replaces.
but... how many people are moving to the M2 air from an M1 air??

for me, the jump from my 2016 macbook makes this a speed demon. and, by itself, seems seriously fast and efficient. for most people, regardless of what they might be migrating from, the base M2 air is a great mac.

i don't get why people stress so much about this, as if, by stressing about it, something will change.... 🤔
 
That's a scandal in my opinion
MaxTech, is that you??

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this is your experience? or an opinion based on what 'a lot of people' are experiencing?

i come from a 2016 macbook (i also work on a 2019 intel imac). the M2 base air, is, in my own experience, snappy as could be. would a slightly-faster SSD matter? not to me, am fine with my air, and am using it, instead of running benchmarks and/or comparing it to a identically-configures 512GB SSD air.
when you say 'big files', what specifically are you referring to? (just curious)...
When working with big files such as video editing, some CAD, or software testing, the system requires more Ram. When there is not enough Ram, the system uses swap, the 256Gb Air will be slower when using swap.
Then the Pro users who really do these heavy work are buying the MacBook Pro M1 Max, I remember all of them have 7.4GB per second SSD speed
256GB feels like 0.01 Sec slower when opening Word docs but that's still much quicker than Intel Air
 
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This very valid point seems to fall on a lot of deaf ears as they are too busy running benchmarks all day long lol
Truth. The whole point is that you, me, and people like us would know, and we would run those benchmarks, and we would talk about those benchmarks. But none of that is true for the segment of users buying the entry level MBA.
 
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The video I saw was a different. Max Tech did run the benchmarks in the video I saw. I do not cite him as an authority on the subject but mostly because he actually ran the benchmarks and did the testing -- all on the video. As for the "math" comment, yes, I was referring to the slow SSD speeds and the measurably diminished benchmark performance.

No, I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same video. If we're not, it doesn't matter, I'll never waste my time watching another one after that experience.

The fact that that one video has formed the basis of so many of the conversations I've seen on the subject since is why YouTube is a lousy platform for nuanced discussion.

That isn't math, or even "math", and it's certainly no substitute for people's personal experiences which, to a one, seem to contradict the MT conclusions.
 
When working with big files such as video editing, some CAD, or software testing, the system requires more Ram. When there is not enough Ram, the system uses swap, the 256Gb Air will be slower when using swap.
But the 256GB feels like 0.01 Sec slower when opening Word docs because of the SSD speed
i have an imac for the 'heavy lifting' (final cut, logic). i use the air for everything else... nothing complicated. if you buy an air (even the base level model), and do video, audio work, etc... there will be an impact. and even then... the sky won't fall.
 
Yes. Obviously it would be better if the base model didn’t have slower storage, but I’d also wager than basically no one who chooses to buy the base model would be doing things where the storage speed would be a big problem.
A point many of us have tried to make lol. “But this YouTuber did this export and it was way slower!”
 
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Yes, and here's why:

  • It's still (much) faster than any interface (even 10G ethernet, thunderbolt connected SSD, etc.) for getting data on or off the machine
  • Its more than fast enough for entry level 4k video editing which is the highest end task a base model M2 air is likely to be used for in the real world. More likely 1080p due to the space constraints even if the drive WAS faster. AS per video below, even 8k red is just over half the bandwidth of SATA (admittedly for a single stream, but still! you're unlikely to be processing multiple streams of 8k on a 256 GB drive due to space)
  • Copying data from folder to folder within the same APFS drive doesn't do an actual copy, its a reference count.
  • It's an entry level machine
Yes on paper it is slower, but the reality is that outside of synthetic benchmarks, no M2 owner is going to be able to tell the difference via blind testing in actual use. On the windows side, in general use most can't even tell the difference during blind testing between SATA and m.2 SSD. LTT did a blind test of SATA vs. M.2 for general usage (including Adobe Premiere) and it was virtually a coin toss (link below). Even this "slow" drive is much faster than a SATA SSD.

This is why apple "downgraded" it via using a single 256 GB chip - because in the real world it simply does not matter at this level of processing power and external IO.


 
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As best I can tell, those who purchased an M2 Air will be quick to defend it. Everyone wanted that redesign and in every single M2 MacBook Air forum thread, that machine can do no wrong, especially for those who bought one. If you find it outrageous, they'll cry that it's not the target market audience for that machine (neverminding the faster performance on the base model of M1 Air by comparison). That said, it's not every day that I'm able to blow $1199 on a computer and I'd imagine that, for people that can't afford to do this every day or every year, issues, that to those blindly in love with this machine will discredit as being a nothing burger, would give one a little bit of pause before spending the money. Certainly, I'd avoid a Mac model if I heard multiple review sites (it's not just Max Tech, you guys) talk ill about that 256GB capacity, I wouldn't buy it.


This very valid point seems to fall on a lot of deaf ears as they are too busy running benchmarks all day long lol

Would you buy a computer that costs $100 more than its predecessor and performs worse? Or is $100 a meaningless amount of money to you? I think that should be the real title of this thread: "How little does money matter to you that you'll spend more money for worse performance just to get a newer design?"


'others'... how many others? 2? 3?

this is such a ridiculous thread (altho, lol, here i am, posting).

we don't know what went on at apple during the design and implementation of the M2 air. apple set a price, the 256gb drive is what it is, and you can buy it... or not.

i'm happy with mine, no complaints. but then, i'm just enjoying working on it, am not benchmarking, bending, or otherwise testing & torturing it.

if anyone thinks it's a serious issue, they do not have to buy it! problem solved 👍
You posted 12 times in this forum thread and 6 of those 12 were on the first page. I'm not saying that I haven't littered a MacRumors forum thread to a similar degree and in similar fashion repeating the same point over and over again (most certainly, I have). But, you're calling it a ridiculous thread, and yet chiming in so fervently to defend a computer you purchased like people were insulting your religion for even thinking that the base model with an obviously inferior SSD is problematic. Stop and consider that for two seconds.
 
As best I can tell, those who purchased an M2 Air will be quick to defend it. Everyone wanted that redesign and in every single M2 MacBook Air forum thread, that machine can do no wrong, especially for those who bought one. If you find it outrageous, they'll cry that it's not the target market audience for that machine (neverminding the faster performance on the base model of M1 Air by comparison). That said, it's not every day that I'm able to blow $1199 on a computer and I'd imagine that, for people that can't afford to do this every day or every year, issues, that to those blindly in love with this machine will discredit as being a nothing burger, would give one a little bit of pause before spending the money. Certainly, I'd avoid a Mac model if I heard multiple review sites (it's not just Max Tech, you guys) talk ill about that 256GB capacity, I wouldn't buy it.




Would you buy a computer that costs $100 more than its predecessor and performs worse? Or is $100 a meaningless amount of money to you? I think that should be the real title of this thread: "How little does money matter to you that you'll spend more money for worse performance just to get a newer design?"



You posted 12 times in this forum thread and 6 of those 12 were on the first page. I'm not saying that I haven't littered a MacRumors forum thread to a similar degree and in similar fashion repeating the same point over and over again (most certainly, I have). But, you're calling it a ridiculous thread, and yet chiming in so fervently to defend a computer you purchased like people were insulting your religion for even thinking that the base model with an obviously inferior SSD is problematic. Stop and consider that for two seconds.
I dont buy my computers based on how well they perform in synthetic benchmarks. I buy them for how they perform for my needs, like most of the world does. Like I said before, who buys a computer with 256gb of storage to transfer large files as their daily use? Anyone with a brain wouldn't, thus taking the base storage out of the picture. You buy the right tool for the job, feel free to show realistic examples as to how the base storage harms the everyday user that buys the base model?
 
Would you buy a computer that costs $100 more than its predecessor and performs worse? Or is $100 a meaningless amount of money to you? I think that should be the real title of this thread: "How little does money matter to you that you'll spend more money for worse performance just to get a newer design?"

Because it does not perform worse.

It has faster CPU, faster GPU, better screen, speakers, etc. The one single area that is slower in synthetic benchmark is the storage performance.

However:
In actual use, it is not really possible to do things on this machine with the 256 GB configuration that will have any meaningful performance detriment due to the single NAND chip; because the real world workloads that would be impacted by that simply do not exist.

What Apple have done here is made an intelligent trade off to get the cost of the base model down by cutting a corner that has zero impact to the end user in the context of this product. Outside of e-peen benchmarks that do not represent any workload the machine will ever see.

Anyone who buys an M1 Air or other machine based on the storage IO performance under synthetic benchmarks vs. the M2 air is making a mistake.
 
I notice zero difference in my everyday use from the m1 and the base m2. In fact the m2 seems a little bit snappier opening apps and etc. What has your experience been so far?
I would say that Apple deserves critique for not clearly stating this. They left it to YouTubers to find this out and for them to tell the public. Otherwise, it's for the buyer to decide. Personally, I don't like Apple to constantly cut corners for what everyone believes are premium products. But this case isn't as bad as when Apple until a few years back in time sold iMacs with slow 5400 RPM HDD's.
 
Don't know about those apps but Lightroom and Photoshop operations ran significantly slower on the M2 256GB than the M1 256GB, as tested and demonstrated by MaxTech.

That's the issue, if coming from a base M1, will be a downgrade. If coming from an Intel Mac a significant upgrade. Apple should have bit the bullet and gone with duel 256 nand chips for the base model. As for me, I don't need or want large internal storage as I live between macOS & Windows so all data is on external drives.

TBH is just a matter of time before the duel 512 nand SSD is the starting point...

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Because it does not perform worse.

It has faster CPU, faster GPU, better screen, speakers, etc. The one single area that is slower in synthetic benchmark is the storage performance.

However:
In actual use, it is not really possible to do things on this machine with the 256 GB configuration that will have any meaningful performance detriment due to the single NAND chip; because the real world workloads that would be impacted by that simply do not exist.

What Apple have done here is made an intelligent trade off to get the cost of the base model down by cutting a corner that has zero impact to the end user in the context of this product. Outside of e-peen benchmarks that do not represent any workload the machine will ever see.

Anyone who buys an M1 Air or other machine based on the storage IO performance under synthetic benchmarks vs. the M2 air is making a mistake.
Agreed, however if coming from a base M1 that's working hard your likely to see a difference. Apple no doubt is stuck with what makes commercial sense, hence the single 256 nand chip.

Much will come down the users workflow. Lets face it Apple Silicon has turned a lot of things upside down with small form factor notebooks offering the power of 15"/17" portable workstations...

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The SSD in M2 256 GB is much slower than... one in Air from 2018! That's a scandal in my opinion, given the price of M2.

You don't feel the difference, because you don't work with big files. But a lot of people do. And that feeling of "snappier M2" comes either from the system being new (less apps) or just placebo.
I agree and disagree. I think Apple did this as a cost saving measure and think it's not great. Will it affect everybody? No. It probably won't affect most. But buyer beware. You should know your use case and what you need.

But the M2 is actually snappier for certain things because its single core score is higher than the M1.
 
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