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In your opinion is the slower SSD controversy in the base M2 Air overblown?

  • Yes

    Votes: 287 59.8%
  • No

    Votes: 136 28.3%
  • Haven't tested it yet

    Votes: 57 11.9%

  • Total voters
    480
It all depends on what one uses the computer for. If swap is often needed, then it is quite good to know about this issue and how much it affects performance. Same for people who copy a lot of files around.

For many light use cases, it's mostly a non issue, and people will not notice any performance drop.

Simply reporting on this issue is in itself neither overblowing it or under-blowing it. But the drama associated with generalizing any one side of the story is another discussion. Some people like to overblow it, some people like to under-blow it. And other people blow it just right.
 
'others'... how many others? 2? 3?

this is such a ridiculous thread (altho, lol, here i am, posting).

we don't know what went on at apple during the design and implementation of the M2 air. apple set a price, the 256gb drive is what it is, and you can buy it... or not.

i'm happy with mine, no complaints. but then, i'm just enjoying working on it, am not benchmarking, bending, or otherwise testing & torturing it.

if anyone thinks it's a serious issue, they do not have to buy it! problem solved 👍
The thing is you can't just "buy it... or not." because you won't know what you have bought unless you follow tech news, specifically Apple product news.

The notion that you somehow deserve to be duped or clearly don't need any better than what the 256GB SSD in the M2 can offer because you don't look into these things is absurd.

-Apple doesn't label the boxes or in any way notify the consumer that the 256GB configuration is not only 50% slower than 512GB and above but also 50% slower than the same 256GB configuration that's is available in the $999 M1 Air.

There's nothing on apple.com, no press release that clearly states what difference the change makes.

Exactly how consumers are supposed to figure out that the newest iteration of a highly lauded product is actually downgraded on a key spec I simply don't see.

Thank God for the many influencers who are at least honest enough to say that they don't think the value adds up and really everyone in the market for any type of MacBook would would be better off with an M1 Air or M1 MBP.
 
Everyone looks at the base drive speed and puts on their blinders to the rest of upgrades put into this m2. Why do people think that 2 years later, inflation, bigger and brighter screen, better webcam, faster ram, faster cpu, graphics etc. But for some reason thinks this should have been the exact same price. Massive inflation alone would give apple cause to raise the price, but this also a full redesigned laptop
It wouldn't be about the $1199 price if the SSD was the same or better as the one the $999 M1 Air came with in 2020.

If Apple wants to price the genuinely upgraded M2 Air at $1499 then they should just do that and cut the 256GB configuration entirely.

Swapping the SSD for a cheaper one just to dupe average consumer who picks up the 8/256 from retail is just cheap.
 
The thing is you can't just "buy it... or not." because you won't know what you have bought unless you follow tech news, specifically Apple product news.

The notion that you somehow deserve to be duped or clearly don't need any better than what the 256GB SSD in the M2 can offer because you don't look into these things is absurd.

-Apple doesn't label the boxes or in any way notify the consumer that the 256GB configuration is not only 50% slower than 512GB and above but also 50% slower than the same 256GB configuration that's is available in the $999 M1 Air.

There's nothing on apple.com, no press release that clearly states what difference the change makes.

Exactly how consumers are supposed to figure out that the newest iteration of a highly lauded product is actually downgraded on a key spec I simply don't see.

Thank God for the many influencers who are at least honest enough to say that they don't think the value adds up and really everyone in the market for any type of MacBook would would be better off with an M1 Air or M1 MBP.
It wouldn't be about the $1199 price if the SSD was the same or better as the one the $999 M1 Air came with in 2020.

If Apple wants to price the genuinely upgraded M2 Air at $1499 then they should just do that and cut the 256GB configuration entirely.

Swapping the SSD for a cheaper one just to dupe average consumer who picks up the 8/256 from retail is just cheap.
if i wasn't acitve on this forum, and didn't visit tech sites, or even check out some of the reasonable (and some of the hysterical) videos on youtube... and i just went into an apple store and bought the entry-level M2 air... i'd be happy with it, and i wouldn't know that a handful of people on a mac forum are melting down over... nothing serious.

in my user experience, it's a small, light, fast, efficient mac. it hasn't gotten warm, it flies online, and all my apps open immediately, and i can do my work. nothing wrong with any of that.

now, tell us about your specific experience with the 256g M2 air; or are you just ranting based on what you saw on a youtube video? 🤔
 
Not sure I want to wade into this, but… my take is that if the previous M1 entry level MBA had the same SSD speeds as the new M2, no one would really notice. Reviews would say something like: “If you’re a person who needs faster SSD speeds you’ll need to upgrade to the 512gb version.” But since the entry level M1 had faster SSD speeds, this feels like a slap in the face. Especially when the new model is considerably higher priced. Pragmatically it’s probably of no consequence to the vast majorities of persons purchasing and using the entry level model. But it still feels like a cheap shot.
 
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Not always. Most SSDs are rated by TeraBytes Written (TBW). Generally larger SSDs have a larger maximum TBW value. But we are talking about a huge amount of data (potentially 1000s of TB) so it isn't likely to affect anyone buying a MacBook Air.

Larger SSDs have higher TBW typically because they have more chips. It’s rare to see a single chip SSD in a PC.

In this case, Apple maintained the capacity and decreased the number of chips.
 
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Larger SSDs have higher TBW typically because they have more chips. It’s rare to see a single chip SSD in a PC.

In this case, Apple maintained the capacity and decreased the number of chips.
Didn't we put this to bed in the first few pages of this thread?

Larger SSDs have higher TBW because they have more cells. If you're going to argue that it's a function of chip count, not cell count and underlying process technology then you're going to need to support it. Your P31 reference earlier already demonstrated that you don't understand how many chips are in an SSD to begin with...
 
Yes over blown. A 2017 QX60 Infiniti has 3.5-liter direct-injected V-6 that makes 295 hp. New 2022 model. Outside redesign...still has 3.5-liter, direct-injected V-6 that makes 295 hp.

People whine about this non issue that we've been seeing in the auto industry for years.
In your example the 2022 QX would make less horsepower but the people who commute in rush hour traffic wouldn't notice it.
 
Apple doesn't label the boxes or in any way notify the consumer that the 256GB configuration is not only 50% slower than 512GB and above but also 50% slower than the same 256GB configuration that's is available in the $999 M1 Air.
On the M1 computers the 256GB SSD is 20-30% slower than the 512GB SSD, but no one was outraged that the boxes weren't labelled as such.
 
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Oy, It's a MacBook Air, it works great! Who in the world pushes their base MBA to its limit? I use mine for basic web browsing and streaming, and rarely have more than 10 tabs open, and it works perfect and looks cool. I must be a unicorn! If you need Pro speeds...get a Pro, not an Air.
 
One thing I can say is : Apple shouldn't have done this. Period. This is just not right. Either they inform the buyers clearly, or they don't do this at all.

From another perspective : What if Dell did that ? Or Asus ? Or HP ? We'd never hear anything about it. Only Apple can generate so much buzz around this.
 
Baring the people who read forums such as this (ie an insignificant number of people. No disrespect intended but it's a small group overall) how many people buying them would ever even know or notice?
 
One thing I can say is : Apple shouldn't have done this. Period. This is just not right. Either they inform the buyers clearly, or they don't do this at all.

From another perspective : What if Dell did that ? Or Asus ? Or HP ? We'd never hear anything about it. Only Apple can generate so much buzz around this.
what exactly have they done? the M2 is flying (mine is); i have no complaints, even with what i know.

and perhaps we have it backwards, and this is the starting point (the 256gb drive), and they've simply put even faster drives in the 512gb etc models?

you're right tho, we don't hear about it with asus or HP; only apple users are this wound up 🤣
 
I bought a more spec'd out m2 air as I personally never buy the base model of any mac but I feel like the "controversy" is born more out of people trying to use the computer for tasks its not marketed for than anything else.

If you try to use a MacBook air of any gen for high demand tasks like video editing or heavy coding or batch exports of edited photos no **** the computer is going to be slow compared to a MacBook pro or etc.

I use my m2 MBA for everyday emails, web surfing, work stuff, and I have my spec'd out desktop for video editing and heavier tasks. I wouldn't trade my air for any other laptop on the market currently it's prefect for me for how I use it.
 
I bought a more spec'd out m2 air as I personally never buy the base model of any mac but I feel like the "controversy" is born more out of people trying to use the computer for tasks its not marketed for than anything else.

If you try to use a MacBook air of any gen for high demand tasks like video editing or heavy coding or batch exports of edited photos no **** the computer is going to be slow compared to a MacBook pro or etc.

I use my m2 MBA for everyday emails, web surfing, work stuff, and I have my spec'd out desktop for video editing and heavier tasks. I wouldn't trade my air for any other laptop on the market currently it's prefect for me for how I use it.
it would be interesting to know how many naysayers do, in fact, own an entry-level M2 air (am betting none of them here do). still, one can always count on a high entertainment value in the rantings and complaining on the forums 📺
 
I would challenge any commenter here to find me 5 MacBook Air customers that even know what write speed means.
You might find a couple on here. This blog is the destination for tech geeks that know just enough to get them in trouble. They buy the cheapest machines because its all they can afford, because they don't have actual workloads justifying anything more, and then proceed to bitch about how the lowest end consumer model is not a pro machine.
 
it would be interesting to know how many naysayers do, in fact, own an entry-level M2 air (am betting none of them here do). still, one can always count on a high entertainment value in the rantings and complaining on the forums 📺
Guarantee none of the people that make click bait YouTube videos about this topic use either M1 or M2 Air as a work load machine.
 
If you try to use a MacBook air of any gen for high demand tasks like video editing or heavy coding or batch exports of edited photos no **** the computer is going to be slow compared to a MacBook pro or etc.
That's the thing. The drive is not large enough for these kinds of tasks so you are likely using a fast external SSD thus negating the issue.
 
Larger SSDs have higher TBW typically because they have more chips. It’s rare to see a single chip SSD in a PC.

In this case, Apple maintained the capacity and decreased the number of chips.
What's the TBW for the 256 GB SSD? What was the TBW for the M1 256 GB SSD. Until you can answer those questions you are just guessing and are probably wrong. Anyway, the TBW is normally going to be significantly higher than the normal lifetime of the M2 MacBook Air so it doesn't matter.
 
what exactly have they done? the M2 is flying (mine is); i have no complaints, even with what i know.

and perhaps we have it backwards, and this is the starting point (the 256gb drive), and they've simply put even faster drives in the 512gb etc models?

you're right tho, we don't hear about it with asus or HP; only apple users are this wound up 🤣
It's some perceived wrong that only people who have spent too much of their life on the self-validating internet could ever experience.
 
If swap is often needed, then it is quite good to know about this issue and how much it affects performance. Same for people who copy a lot of files around.
This is where I think the benchmarks are getting extrapolated beyond their domain of validity.

When people say the M2 SSD is "slower" they point to the Blackmagic disk speed test. Blackmagic is a company that sells video capture and editing hardware and software so they’re concerned with the ability to push and pull streams of data from storage to make the most of their products. There are a few things worth noting about how that test works:
  • It writes between 1 and 5 GB in one continuous, sequential operation.
  • The data is written procedurally. Uniformly distributed random numbers are generated by the CPU and pushed out to the file. Essentially no work is done to create them, they don't live in memory, they just flow from CPU across the interface to disk in one continuous, sequential stream.
  • The 1 to 5 GB of data is then read back in one continuous, sequential stream. Nothing is done with the data, they are read and discarded.
This is a good way to test the maximum throughput of the interface because it gets all the other sources of delay and potential bottlenecks out of the way.

This is a theoretical maximum. It's a useful number to know because it tells you at what point your drive becomes the bottleneck. The only thing Blackmagic the company cares about in these results is that the 256GB drive doesn’t become the bottleneck until you are trying to work with 12k 60fps ProRes video of which this drive will hold just under 3 minutes worth.


So let's think about the two scenarios you raise, starting with swap. Swap is a completely different beast than streaming video. Memory is organized into 16kB pages. When pressure increases, the system compresses memory and keeps it in RAM. When pressure increases further it starts writing those pages out to disk starting with the ones you're least likely to need soon, if ever.

So while a video file can easily be 16GB, a memory page is a million times smaller. Throughput isn’t important to swap performance, latency is. The reason SSDs make swap feel so much more fluid than HDDs isn’t because of the really high throughputs, it‘s because of the really short latencies— the time to the first bytes back.

I’ve seen no good data on the latencies to the two drives but there’s no reason to expect the 256GB is slower and some reason to expect it might be slightly faster. Generally, when people talk about setting up RAID systems, the advice is “don’t use it for your boot drive”— the reason is because of latency issues. If you have a drive designed to push massive throughput, it doesn’t mean it’s good for virtual memory paging or even for launching applications.

There’s a ton of quanta involved that makes reasoning about this a bit hard. There’s the virtual memory page size, and the compressed memory page size, and the RAID stripe size and width, the NAND page size, and garbage collection batches, that all come into play along with the Apple RAID controller strategy. Data online about SSD RAIDs isn’t all that useful because Apple has certainly used the fact that they own the hardware and OS to tune all those parameters knowing they’re using this as a boot drive.

So I haven’t seen any tests that are able to isolate swap performance, but the Blackmagic tests tell us nothing, and it’s not impossible that the smaller drive might actually swap more efficiently.

Now there’s another kind of “swapping” that has been getting attention lately that I don’t really think of as swapping so much as caching— browser tabs. I think of swapping being a way to work with large active datasets. Browser tabs are mostly caching the page so the machine doesn’t need to rerender the whole page. In another thread someone was complaining that MR can sometimes take 1GB per tab, presumably because the ad service has lost control. Using that as a reference point, that GB page probably gets compressed by a factor of 2 when memory compression happens, so 0.5GB gets paged out to disk. If we assume it all gets paged out contiguously, which is still a big if, the write happens invisibly in the background but the read of this obscenely big tab will take 150ms longer with the smaller drive— literally a blink of the eye.


Ok, what about your second scenario: file copies? It all depends on what you’re copying to or from…

If you’re copying from the drive to the drive, it’s instantaneous regardless of the file size or drive size. APFS does a copy on write, so the file copy just creates another pointer to the file. So you’re not going to notice.

If you’re copying to a NAS over Gbit ethernet, it maxes out at something like 100MB/sec compared to the 1500MB/sec of the 256GB M2 drive, so you’re not going to notice.

USB 3.1 at 5Gbps will max out just shy of 500MB/sec, so you’re not going to notice.

If you have a dedicated 10Gbit link over ethernet or USB 3.2, then it will max out at about 1000MB/sec, which is still slower than the 1500MB/sec of the smaller M2 drive, so you’re not going to notice.

Macs don’t support USB 3.2 2x2, so those drives will max out at 1000MB/sec and you’re not going to notice.

Thunderbolt 2 drives could conceivably get you to 2000MB/sec (still not the full speed of the 512GB M2 drive), and TB 3 or 4 could get you to 4000MB/sec theoretically.

So if you’ve got a TB3 drive and, let’s say you’ve left enough room to copy a 100GB file to your internal drive. Remember, this is a tiny drive, so you’re not working with terabyte files. It will take you an extra 30 seconds to copy that file to the 256GB drive (67 seconds rather than 37 seconds). Now, finally, we’ve found a case that the drive speed makes a difference.

But how much is that going to save you in a day? Presumably you’re going to do something with that file, not just copy it back and forth all day. And you must be taking it mobile someplace you can’t really copy it back easily, otherwise you’d just work locally on the external drive. Maybe the difference is a minute a day— copy local at the start of the day, process, copy back at the end?

So a minute a day is the difference it makes.

Sure, I’d guess someone can contrive a situation where the impact is greater than that, but for most people this is what it comes down to.
 
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