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Inability to Use Apple Pencil for Navigation in iOS 9.3 Appears to be Intentional

farewelwilliams said:
*moves finger to select text*
*releases finger off the screen*
*iOS selects an additional character at the end*
*touches the screen to move the slider to unselect the additional character*
*it unselected too many characters*
*touches the screen to move the slider to reselect the missing character*
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*selects the entire page
*cant unselect anything, refresh page
*try selecting again
*selects half a word and everything to the right but won't adjust left
*If lucky and can move left selection handle, selects entire paragraph or nothing at all
*select most of what you want, will fix later
*hit copy
*switch app
*hit paste
*nothing copied

Every damn time. iOS is a wreck.
 
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M. Gustave said:
I'm the one laughing, mate, at all the asinine things people say the iPad should do and have. OSX, stylus navigation, USB ports, sd cards, mouse... if Apple listened to you folks, they'd be producing a hybrid of Microsucks and Samdung products.
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Yeah... Because you know. The iPad is gaining popularity and it isn't losing ground every day to other tablets /s
 
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capathy21 said:
Of course I am. Is it too much to expect a "pro" tablet to be able to handle the most basic functions? The ipad is a huge headache when it comes to business type tasks. For social media, movie watching, basic note taking, Facetime, iMessage and other consumption tasks, the ipad is unbeatable. However, I have yet to see a huge difference between the Air 2 and the Pro aside from screen size and a pencil which apparently has limited functionality. It still runs a mobile OS that is completely app based, and still has to operate within the strict confines and limitations of ios. I like ios for what it is, but I'm just wondering what the pro does that lends itself to true business productivity.
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Make no mistake— I was agreeing with you. I was just surprised that no one had said that to you yet as that's usually the go-to response every time someone points out a strange decision about one of Apple's products. Like the single-port Macbook.

I totally agree that the iPad Pro has failed to demonstrate itself as a "Pro" device. Other than Pencil support and speed improvements, it functions exactly like the Air 2, just on a bigger screen. I personally find it ridiculous that a ~$1000 "pro" device doesn't have a calculator built-in, but I'm sure people here could come up with reasons why adding a stock calculator would somehow make a "poor user experience".
 
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bdkennedy1 said:
You don't need the Pencil to do those tasks, that's what your finger is for. Plus it saves the Pencil's battery life. What do you do with a pencil? You write with it. It doesn't have any other function. The Apple Pencil is not a stylus.
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Thanks Tim, but people like a continuous interactive flow. They don't like putting a pen down, to perform some minor interactions, then picking it up again for other tasks.

It would be like changing the UI So that certain tasks could be performed with a thumb, others by a pointer finger, pinky, etc... One input device for the entire experience please.
 
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ThunderSkunk said:
*selects the entire page
*cant unselect anything, refresh page
*try selecting again
*selects half a word and everything to the right but won't adjust left
*If lucky and can move left selection handle, selects entire paragraph or nothing at all
*select most of what you want, will fix later
*hit copy
*switch app
*hit paste
*nothing copied

Every damn time. iOS is a wreck.
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This. Copy and Paste on iOS pure trash. So inaccurate and doesn't even detected text correctly.
 
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JohnApples said:
Make no mistake— I was agreeing with you. I was just surprised that no one had said that to you yet as that's usually the go-to response every time someone points out a strange decision about one of Apple's products. Like the single-port Macbook.

I totally agree that the iPad Pro has failed to demonstrate itself as a "Pro" device. Other than Pencil support and speed improvements, it functions exactly like the Air 2, just on a bigger screen. I personally find it ridiculous that a ~$1000 "pro" device doesn't have a calculator built-in, but I'm sure people here could come up with reasons why adding a stock calculator would somehow make a "poor user experience".
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Ahh, my apologies for not picking up on you agreeing with me and yes, they will defend the indefensible.
 
Amazing Iceman said:
This doesn't sound right...
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apparently it does with Apple.
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BamaGuy said:
[doublepost=1456189923][/doublepost]Well, that seals the deal for me. Not buying an iPad Pro. Apple is making some very odd decisions that are not in line with the customer experience they wish to personify (and have for a long time, but not any longer).
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I agree that they have been making lot of weird decisions lately, but I'm sure you'll continue to support apple products.
 
As an iPP owner with a Pencil, I feel qualified to weigh in here.

What I think Apple is guarding against is a schism in the App ecosystem. They want touch to remain the primary input method because they don't want to end up with a "Windows Tablet" experience where you are basically forced to use the stylus for navigation because app creators have made their interface elements tiny in anticipation of everyone doing just that.

They don't WANT a stylus driven interface. Even when the Pencil was announced they said very clearly that it was for "marking only".

I, for one, am with them.
 
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Kaibelf said:
Please. This has been out a VERY short time, and now someone's complaining about what users "expect and depend on?"
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I'm not an artist. I wanted a big iPad and a good stylus because comfort. I went to the Apple Store and saw both of my criteria were met. I bought the two. Now a required feature (i.e., one reason I bought the iPad) is stripped away. In what world do I not have a right to complain? I'm taking mine in the same day and asking them to fix my Pencil if the update removes this feature.
 
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Count Blah said:
Thanks Tim, but people like a continuous interactive flow. They don't like putting a pen down, to perform some minor interactions, then picking it up again for other tasks.
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I don't understand why people keep adding in the steps of "putting the pencil down, scroll, then pick the pencil back up"

You're adding steps only to make it sound far worse than it actually is.

Currently in 9.2.1 where scrolling works with the pencil, do you put the pencil down, pinch zoom in or out, and then pick the pencil back up? (Because no version of iOS allowed zooming with the pencil.) No, you probably don't, and just use your index finger and thumb on your hand holding the pencil or you use your other hand.

How is it the end of the world to scroll with your finger vs always having to use fingers to zoom in/out?

Your index finger is already underneath the pencil, it's not hard to lift the tip of the pencil off the screen and touch and scroll with the finger still on the pencil.
 
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Unfrozen Caveman Fanboi:

Apple.Gods. Made Angry. Take Feature.......Consumers Bad.Sorry. Must Pray. Apple.Right.
 
friedmud said:
As an iPP owner with a Pencil, I feel qualified to weigh in here.

What I think Apple is guarding against is a schism in the App ecosystem. They want touch to remain the primary input method because they don't want to end up with a "Windows Tablet" experience where you are basically forced to use the stylus for navigation because app creators have made their interface elements tiny in anticipation of everyone doing just that.

They don't WANT a stylus driven interface. Even when the Pencil was announced they said very clearly that it was for "marking only".

I, for one, am with them.
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That's not the windows tablet experience at all. I have a surface pro 4 and I can happily navigate every single aspect of it with one finger. That's because Microsoft is forward thinking in how they let you adjust the scaling, not only that but they have worked to make the entire windows UI touch friendly even on the desktop. This is how they took an existing problem and reworked it and made it palatable to touch. Versus Apple who invented an entirely new OS with very limited functionality and basically threw away their computer experience for a watered down one.

Now with that said I completely agree, an interface should not be stylus driven. Certainly the windows tablets of 10 years ago were tough to use because the UI was so small you had to use a stylus. I'm extremely grateful for Apple in showing us a different and clearly superior way on smartphones, and to a much lesser extent tablets. But at the same time the stylus IS valuable in navigating a UI. A stylus can be much more precise than a finger, and there may be certain tasks which benefit from this. Just because a desktop program has been dumbed down into an "app" doesn't mean the full program wouldn't have worked well on a tablet instead of the app. While I know we are talking about tablets I can interject with how awesome it is to occasionally use my stylus on my Note 5 to navigate and do things. Things like clipping webpages, annotation, editing pictures, etc are elevated to a different level using the stylus. No it doesn't make sense to cut off your nose to spite your face.

In this particular example it's just Apple dumbing down their consumers once again. Why do you guys let them do that? Is it really that difficult for the consumer to figure out when and when to not use the stylus? Will it truly break the consumers mind if Apple allowed the stylus UI functions to remain? I say no, my mind hasn't gone insane because my surface pro 4 can be driven with a stylus. I just use common sense. It just seems that with all the talk of "simplicity" on Apple products at times there is this distinct lack of common sense.
 
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Over the last few years, Apple has continually moved more and more towards the company I'd hope they'd never be. And yes folks, this is coming from an Apple fanboy...
 
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eroslws said:
I'm not an artist. I wanted a big iPad and a good stylus because comfort. I went to the Apple Store and saw both of my criteria were met. I bought the two. Now a required feature (i.e., one reason I bought the iPad) is stripped away. In what world do I not have a right to complain? I'm taking mine in the same day and asking them to fix my Pencil if the update removes this feature.
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In the Apple knows what's best world. :D
 
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M. Gustave said:
Thanks for making me wet my pants laughing so hard.
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Lol, see this is what I mean. Apple takes away functionality that I enjoy on my tablet, yet here is someone laughing at ME. It's like the guy in a horse and buggy laughing at that new fangled "automobile".

BTW your diaper is full. :p
 
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