India Considering New Rules That Could Force Apple to Adopt USB-C on iPhone

[Sophisticatednut]

Here's another way to think of it.
Not all USB C is USB 3 or 4. Some, like what you get with DJI products and your Apple Charger, are USB2.

That only if one side is limited. Like usb c to lightning. The lightning part is the bottleneck.

Apple could easily change the charging port on the iPhone to USB C without changing the chipset that drives it.

They could but that would be terrible user experience

I could assume they'd atleast include the same spec as on the iPad mini (USB 3.1 Gen 1), but it's possible those highspeed chipsets don't fit within the power or heat envelope of a phone if used for sustained transfer.

Impossible as we have hundreds of android flagship phones with usb 3.1 so it would be the worst excuse.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

So if my tiny business has a disruptive technology I need to go ask my competitors Apple and Intel for permission. That will be great! Maybe Tesla should have needed permission from Ford before they made cars.

You would just have both ports at the same time depending on what kind of device you’re talking about.

And no you don’t need to ask your competitors. You go to the USB group .

 

[Sophisticatednut]

By the time countries force manufacturers to shift to USB C, Apple would have already done that.

Considering apple have made zero updates in 10 years and refused to adopt it before, it’s likely they would never do it.

 

[Iworkatapple]

The lightening port is not only more stable and robust than USB-C but is engineered for things many don’t consider. People with fine dexterity issues/elderly and children which makes this plug more user friendly than the USB-C style plug. It’s “easier” in many circumstances for these individuals to plug in versus the precise alignment of the USB-C outer metal housing.

I can say without giving much away that USB-C will never be implemented in the iPhone range. The iPad range was for the power needs until the new MagSafe revision is sorted out for these devices.

Apple works very hard to accommodate the accessibility community needs in its products and wireless charging will be the aim going forward.

 

[Jackbequickly]

I am from India so allow me to weigh in. The current government is completely useless and they have done nothing worthwhile in their entire 8 years of rule, so don't expect them to go through with anything serious. The only thing they managed so far is that year old models are manufactured here so we don't have to pay exorbitant taxes on at least slightly older iPhones, that's primarily a reason why I'm rocking an iPhone 12 and not 13.

‘Sounds like your government is similar to ours.

 

[imom]

Good! Lightning should have been phased out at least 5 years ago. Can't wait to be rid of another proprietary connector.

 

[Shirasaki]

3 reasons

1. They don’t care. Consumers will still buy the 14.
2. It’s too late for them to change it. The cost would be not worth it.
3. They don’t care.

Uh, maybe they just don’t care, until government force them to.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

The lightening port is not only more stable and robust than USB-C but is engineered for things many don’t consider. People with fine dexterity issues/elderly and children which makes this plug more user friendly than the USB-C style plug. It’s “easier” in many circumstances for these individuals to plug in versus the precise alignment of the USB-C outer metal housing.

I can say without giving much away that USB-C will never be implemented in the iPhone range. The iPad range was for the power needs until the new MagSafe revision is sorted out for these devices.

Apple works very hard to accommodate the accessibility community needs in its products and wireless charging will be the aim going forward.

I call doubt on all that you claim.

The user friendly experience of USB-C and lightning are at worst negligible.

“Easier” are something you won’t notice after 5min of ether plug.

And the robustness is something we have zero data on and can reasonably expect to be exactly the same. And be more a factor of cheap cables than anything

 

[forgotmyhandle]

Why don’t Apple just pull the trigger and add USB-C to the iPhone 14? The Lightning port is not a selling point, in fact, I won’t buy the iPhone 14 if it has a Lightning port.

Was the hardware for iPhone 14 already decided a long time ago? Should Apple not sell iPhones until they design a model with USB-C in its hardware?

Why don’t Apple just pull the trigger and add USB-C to the iPhone 14? The Lightning port is not a selling point, in fact, I won’t buy the iPhone 14 if it has a Lightning port.

Three weeks before launch of iPhone 14, Apple should change the hardware to remove Lightning and add USB-C to the iPhone?

 

[Stromos]

Only way I support legislation like this is if there is a clause that’s it’s not requiring USB C and more anything in the standard USB spec. Aka if USB moves to something new like Type E then it’s automatically an option and not phones can’t move forward until legislation updates which we all know will take years.

 

[egdiroh]

As someone that had to support VGA for way longer than it should have been around because it had become a defect standard, I really don't want the government dictating ports to me. I don't want phones 10 years from now to have a USB-C bump because they had to include the port. I think there is some merit to requiring ports to be standards usable by others to get apple to open lightning or it's successor to others.

 

[I7guy]

I call doubt on all that you claim.

My anecdotal observation is lightning inserts better and easier than USB-C with less fumbling.

The user friendly experience of USB-C and lightning are at worst negligible.

“Easier” are something you won’t notice after 5min of ether plug.

And the robustness is something we have zero data on and can reasonably expect to be exactly the same. And be more a factor of cheap cables than anything

My anecdotal experience it's easier (and that click is so satisfying) to insert a lightning cable than usb-c.

 

[currocj]

Apple, don't drag your feet, just do it. Give the world a unified charging cable!

 

[currocj]

My anecdotal observation is lightning inserts better and easier than USB-C with less fumbling.

My anecdotal experience it's easier (and that click is so satisfying) to insert a lightning cable than usb-c.

except when the burnt out lightning cable doesn't charge, then it's oh so NOT satisfying (which has never happened with a usb-c cable for me)

 

[I7guy]

except when the burnt out lightning cable doesn't charge, then it's oh so NOT satisfying (which has never happened with a usb-c cable for me)

True, and when the inner connection for Usb-c is broken, all that usb-c capability is oh, not satisfying at all.

My take..overall lightning has more positives and less negatives than usc-c. Of course, YMMV.

 

[macsound1]

That only if one side is limited. Like usb c to lightning. The lightning part is the bottleneck.

Nope. These devices (DJI for example) are wired differently on the USB C end. So you have to use specific USB C chargers.

They could but that would be terrible user experience

For people who want a single USB C charging experience, they'd be happy.

 

[cashboxz02]

Didn't Apple create USB-C standard? Wasn't it a revolutionary feature to keep the MacBooks thin?

 

[MrMojo1]

Emotions aside...
Can someone explain for the non-tech heads about the Lightning vs USB C cables?
Will the majority of users like those Not in the MR forum care?
Can Apple tweak the Lightning cable or connector head to rival speeds of the USB C?

Is it the tech heads or non-tech heads who's making a fuss on the USB C issue?
Obviously, Apple won't want to lose one of its cash cows with its Lightning accessories so it'll fight to the very end before it gives up the Lightning port/accessories.

The following article provides some good explanations & summaries, though it didn't say if the Lighting cable is upgradeable or not to USB C speed:

USB-C vs. Lightning: The Cable Clash That Could Change Your Charge Game

Discover the distinctions between USB-C and Lightning cables, including compatibility, data transfer rates, and power delivery efficiency.

www.lifewire.com

 

[currocj]

except when the burnt out lightning cable doesn't charge, then it's oh so NOT satisfying

True, and when the inner connection for Usb-c is broken, all that usb-c capability is oh, not satisfying at all.

My take..overall lightning has more positives and less negatives than usc-c. Of course, YMMV.

I hear you, but I'd love to know the lighting vs usb-c failure rates

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Nope. These devices (DJI for example) are wired differently on the USB C end. So you have to use specific USB C chargers.

That’s not using the USB standard and would break the legal requirement

For people who want a single USB C charging experience, they'd be happy.

It would still be a terrible experience of 4h of waiting for single backup

My anecdotal observation is lightning inserts better and easier than USB-C with less fumbling.

Yes but how much better? Between negligible and groundbreaking would you rank the USB-C iPad and lightning iPad

My anecdotal experience it's easier (and that click is so satisfying) to insert a lightning cable than usb-c.

I will give it has a satisfactory click

 

[currocj]

could apple Frankenstein both on 1 iPhone?

Am I crazy?

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Emotions aside...
Can someone explain for the non-tech heads about the Lightning vs USB C cables?
Will the majority of users like those Not in the MR forum care?
Can Apple tweak the Lightning cable or connector head to rival speeds of the USB C?

Is it the tech heads or non-tech heads who's making a fuss on the USB C issue?
Obviously, Apple won't want to lose one of its cash cows with its Lightning accessories so it'll fight to the very end before it gives up the Lightning port/accessories.

The following article provides some good explanations & summaries, though it didn't say if the Lighting cable is upgradeable or not to USB C speed:

USB-C vs. Lightning: The Cable Clash That Could Change Your Charge Game

Discover the distinctions between USB-C and Lightning cables, including compatibility, data transfer rates, and power delivery efficiency.

www.lifewire.com

Apple can upgrade lighting to equal speeds of USB 3.1 or USB 4. USB c is just the connector type.

Apple have just chosen to stay with usb 2.0 speeds ( released in 2000). And even had one iPad with an upgraded lighting port

The biggest difference is lighting can take you 4h at worst to sync your iPhone if it’s full of photos.
USB c will at worst take 15min

 

[macsound1]

That’s not using the USB standard and would break the legal requirement

It would still be a terrible experience of 4h of waiting for single backup

Yes but how much better? Between negligible and groundbreaking would you rank the USB-C iPad and lightning iPad

I will give it has a satisfactory click

Maybe it breaks the USB C standard, but of the USB C devices I have, the Nintendo Switch when docked and 2 DJI devices, they specialized chargers in order to work.
None of these 3 will charge with an Anker 45w, knock off chinese usb c, or any Apple USB C charger.

I stand by lightening because it's consistent. There's no unlabeled cables that perform differently. There's no pin reassignment from other brands that make them incompatible with each other.

USB C is just a headache. It's the physical incarnation of corporate bureaucracy.

 

[Realityck]

Didn't Apple create USB-C standard? Wasn't it a revolutionary feature to keep the MacBooks thin?

typec.pdf

Release 1.0 August 11, 2014. 10 . USB TypeC Cable and Connector Specification. Specification Work Group Chairs / Specification Editors Intel Corporation (USB 3.0 Promoter company). Yun Ling – Mechanical WG cochair, Mechanical Chapter Coeditor Bob Dunstan – Functional WG cochair, Specification ...

www.docdroid.net

Apple was a major contributor to USB-C 3.0 specifications (18 out of 79 engineers involved). Interesting enough it appears that USB Type-C was initially submitted in 2012, was the same year Apple announced Lightning.

 

[polyphenol]

One advantage of getting away from the existing connector and going to USB-C is to stop seeing the multiple misspellings, typos, etc., which render it as Lighting, Lightening, and numerous other variations.

(Now where did I make a typo in this reply? Bound to be one somewhere. )