India Considering New Rules That Could Force Apple to Adopt USB-C on iPhone

[I7guy]

I hear you, but I'd love to know the lighting vs usb-c failure rates

If they can even be compared on a level playing field.

 

[CarlJ]

One advantage of getting away from the existing connector and going to USB-C is to stop seeing the multiple misspellings, typos, etc., which render it as Lighting, Lightening, and numerous other variations.

Yep, I keep seeing references to connectors that help things weigh less, you know, the lightening connectors.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Maybe it breaks the USB C standard, but of the USB C devices I have, the Nintendo Switch when docked and 2 DJI devices, they specialized chargers in order to work.
None of these 3 will charge with an Anker 45w, knock off chinese usb c, or any Apple USB C charger.

Well it breaks USB and are a custom port using just the same shape. AKA it’s not USB.

I stand by lightening because it's consistent. There's no unlabeled cables that perform differently. There's no pin reassignment from other brands that make them incompatible with each other.

Then you haven’t purchased cheap ass lightning cables or Chinese copies.

The reason there are different incompatible ports are because it’s not USB but unlicensed versions

USB C is just a headache. It's the physical incarnation of corporate bureaucracy.

Apple is the main actor responsible for usb c being a nightmare when they released the first USB c computer before the standard was finalized. Aka their own bootlegged version.

These legislations like in EU could mandate device’s use the licensed version. Aka not different pins.

EU demands everyone uses a standard USB c port supporting USB Power delivery standard. If they have a custom standard they must still support standard USB

 

[Sophisticatednut]

If they can even be compared on a level playing field.

Why wouldn’t they?
Grab top of the line Samsung phone and top of the line iPhone. Ram a plug in and out a billion times etc

 

[I7guy]

Why wouldn’t they?
Grab top of the line Samsung phone and top of the line iPhone. Ram a plug in and out a billion times etc

Lightning has been around since iPhone 5. Probably millions and millions of iPhones and same for cables. USB-c since 2015? Scale is vastly different.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Lightning has been around since iPhone 5. Probably millions and millions of iPhones and same for cables. USB-c since 2015? Scale is vastly different.

That’s just 2 year difference. And we both know there are millions upon millions more USB c phones and USB c cables for said phones than there have ever been iPhones.

But still it doesn’t if we use new devices and cables.

So why wouldn’t we be able to grab a fresh of the assembly line pair of phones with included cables and test them a million times and do this?

 

[Realityck]

That’s just 2 year difference. And we both know there are millions upon millions more USB c phones and USB c cables for said phones than there have ever been iPhones.

But still it doesn’t if we use new devices and cables.

So why wouldn’t we be able to grab a fresh of the assembly line pair of phones with included cables and test them a million times and do this?

One aspect of both lightning and USB-C I seen is linked to the degree of materials quality used in the construction of cables/dongles I used personally. Usually the tension of being pulled some direction with a cable too short when you are holding the Apple device with them plugged in can result in cracks in the connector housing. But I have noticed that lately if you buy the usual Apple branded cables they are extremely durable with hundreds of inserts and pulling some direction (tension) on the plugged in connector plastic form. If you are judging this from the many vendors that sell cables it would make a nice study to which really lasts longer with your usage. That other guy doing this extended testing for months on the video has a lot of patience.

 

[I7guy]

That’s just 2 year difference. And we both know there are millions upon millions more USB c phones and USB c cables for said phones than there have ever been iPhones.

It’s a three year difference and I’m guessing not all android manufacturers jumped on usb-c the first year.

But still it doesn’t if we use new devices and cables.

So why wouldn’t we be able to grab a fresh of the assembly line pair of phones with included cables and test them a million times and do this?

 

[macsound1]

Well it breaks USB and are a custom port using just the same shape. AKA it’s not USB.

Then you haven’t purchased cheap ass lightning cables or Chinese copies.

The reason there are different incompatible ports are because it’s not USB but unlicensed versions

Apple is the main actor responsible for usb c being a nightmare when they released the first USB c computer before the standard was finalized. Aka their own bootlegged version.

These legislations like in EU could mandate device’s use the licensed version. Aka not different pins.

EU demands everyone uses a standard USB c port supporting USB Power delivery standard. If they have a custom standard they must still support standard USB

Maybe looking at someone else's data will better explain that everyone has similar issues.
USB C charging isn't equal.

It's 2024 and USB-C is even more of a mess

USB-C phones and devices are billed as the one-stop solution for all our future cable needs, but feature compatibility is a major problem.

www.androidauthority.com

 

[dysamoria]

Good.

 

[AppleFan1998]

Man with all this standardizing, maybe they should do that for the electrical plugs, everyone can use 220 or 120 with just one type instead of all these different plugs 😂

 

[T-R-S]

just kill all the ports - no headphone port - use bluetooth - charging port - it's now wireless - I haven't used ports in years.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Maybe looking at someone else's data will better explain that everyone has similar issues.
USB C charging isn't equal.

It's 2024 and USB-C is even more of a mess

USB-C phones and devices are billed as the one-stop solution for all our future cable needs, but feature compatibility is a major problem.

www.androidauthority.com

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As I said before. It’s because they don’t follow the usb PD standard. Something the Eu legislation is mandating.

Everyone is just using a Type c connector. Not USB-C 3.1

One aspect of both lightning and USB-C I seen is linked to the degree of materials quality used in the construction of cables/dongles I used personally. Usually the tension of being pulled some direction with a cable too short when you are holding the Apple device with them plugged in can result in cracks in the connector housing. But I have noticed that lately if you buy the usual Apple branded cables they are extremely durable with hundreds of inserts and pulling some direction (tension) on the plugged in connector plastic form. If you are judging this from the many vendors that sell cables it would make a nice study to which really lasts longer with your usage. That other guy doing this extended testing for months on the video has a lot of patience.

Well in my experience the apple branded cables are generally the lowest quality cables on the market as they have the tendency to fray frantically way before any actual problem with the port comes up

It’s a three year difference and I’m guessing not all android manufacturers jumped on usb-c the first year.

They still haven’t as they still use proprietary Typ-c versions. And even if usb c came out yesterday we could test it’s durability on equal footing.

 

[Skyscraperfan]

I know, right? How crazy for them to expect us to believe a battery sealed inside of a phone is more water resistant than a phone with huge creases for a battery to be removed.

I am not talking about making the battery water resistant, just the phone. It it is possible to seal the external USB plug, it must be even easier to seal the internal battery plug.

 

[WLSON]

Except iPhone is the rule. Every bar, airport, sporting venue and hotel you walk into has lightning cables to charge your iPhone.
But Tesla is the exception to the rule. While Tesla has more chargers in fewer private parking lots, CCS has more charging locations including public colleges, public libraries, and public parking garages.

LOL yeah no it isn't, there's a lot more USB-C around than Lighting.

If anything the example with is even more apt, when it comes to DC fast charging networks Tesla is head and shoulders above any CCS network.

 

[JustSomebody12]

Further what happens down the line when someone wants to improve on or replace USB-C? They can’t. Why? Because of a rule put in place by a mbunch of old out of touch politicians lobbied by Apples competitors and sold a bill of goods about “reducing e-waste”. Computers and other electronics have existed for decades without mandated connectors. Somehow all of a sudden it’s necessary? Yeah right.

Then why did Apple adopt type-C on Macs and, especially, on iPads?

Your reasoning was fine until they chose to move iPads toward type-C.

Also I think the e-waste directive will be especially important for many of the low-price trinkets which still use micro-USB.

 

[I7guy]

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Well in my experience the apple branded cables are generally the lowest quality cables on the market as they have the tendency to fray frantically way before any actual problem with the port comes up […]

Yes your experience is anecdotal.

They still haven’t as they still use proprietary Typ-c versions. And even if usb c came out yesterday we could test it’s durability on equal footing.

Sure on a lab. But real world results are more useful.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Yes your experience is anecdotal.

haven’t heard any other premium manufacturer with such bad cables. Apple cables are a meme.

Sure on a lab. But real world results are more useful.

Real world results we don’t have. But if we can use user reviews then it’s good as any.

Customer Reviews: Lightning to USB Cable (1 m)

Use the Lightning to USB Cable to charge and sync your iPhone, iPad, or iPod with Lightning connector to your Mac or Windows PC.

web.archive.org

 

[ponzicoinbro]

Apple will have long switched to USB-C across its product line by the time these government regulations work their way through their legislative bureaucracies.

Yeah they just say this **** to take credit for what is happening anyway.

In this story they are two years behind EU for trying to take credit.

 

[I7guy]

haven’t heard any other premium manufacturer with such bad cables. Apple cables are a meme.

Yes because the cables existed since 2012. With hundreds of millions possibly billions in use there are bound to be failures over almost 11 years. Just common sense.

Real world results we don’t have. But if we can use user reviews then it’s good as any.

Customer Reviews: Lightning to USB Cable (1 m)

Use the Lightning to USB Cable to charge and sync your iPhone, iPad, or iPod with Lightning connector to your Mac or Windows PC.

web.archive.org

Yes, user reviews are great for anecdotal information. Nothing like making the case of the one the case of the many.

 

[KurtMann]

This is a not a real thing, especially as it relates to this topic specifically. It is entirely about convenience, and thinking that legislation is a way to bring that about. They haven't been told no by the right people.



Which is exactly why legislative bodies shouldn't actually be involved at all. USB-C is no where near as great as some people pretend it is, and it's already time for a newer and better designed connector to replace it. Good luck getting that to happen at all once pointless regulations are in place.

It’s not pointless. It’s sadly needed. If the industry had gotten their act together and agreed among themselves and solved this there wouldn’t have been a need. They could have worked up a update schedule and everything, but no. They didn’t. And I doubt they ever would.

 

[Realityck]

As I said before. It’s because they don’t follow the usb PD standard. Something the Eu legislation is mandating.

Everyone is just using a Type c connector. Not USB-C 3.1

Well in my experience the apple branded cables are generally the lowest quality cables on the market as they have the tendency to fray frantically way before any actual problem with the port comes up
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They still haven’t as they still use proprietary Typ-c versions. And even if usb c came out yesterday we could test it’s durability on equal footing.

The 1 Meter Apple Lightning to USB-C Cable uses Braided Sleeving instead, as does the 140 watt 2 meter USB-C to MagSafe3 adapter. Something to look for when buying cabling from Apple or other sources.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Yes because the cables existed since 2012. With hundreds of millions possibly billions in use there are bound to be failures over almost 11 years. Just common sense.

Yes, user reviews are great for anecdotal information. Nothing like making the case of the one the case of the many.

We are talking about <1 year old cable. The one you get in your box when you purchased a phone.
Not a 5 year old cable.

Tho I have personally had less and heard others have had less problems with the lightning to usb c cables compared to the usb a to lightning

The 1 Meter Apple Lightning to USB-C Cable uses Braided Sleeving instead, as does the 140 watt 2 meter USB-C to MagSafe3 adapter. Something to look for when buying cabling from Apple or other sources.

Oh finally an updated plastic cable to braided. I look forward to updating my iPhone 8 to a 14 if that’s a welcome news.

I would want to wait to the iPhone 15 if it finally comes with USB C instead.

I’m slowly making everything in my house USB C only

 

[I7guy]

We are talking about <1 year old cable. The one you get in your box when you purchased a phone.
Not a 5 year old cable.

Tho I have personally had less and heard others have had less problems with the lightning to usb c cables compared to the usb a to lightning

We are having two discussions. My discussion is the overall failure rate of lightning cables since 2012. You’re having a different discussion.

And while both may be valid for different uses, it’s useful to know the overall failure rate of a charging cable manufactured consistently since 2012.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

We are having two discussions. My discussion is the overall failure rate of lightning cables since 2012. You’re having a different discussion.

Then you have fundamentally misunderstood the conversation. Especially when the failure rate since the cable came to be is a meaningless metric. What valuable is the failure rate of same aged cable with equal usage

And while both may be valid for different uses, it’s useful to know the overall failure rate of a charging cable manufactured consistently since 2012.

I fail to understand why a person would ever care of the failure rate of all cables since 2012 and 2015 respectively, especially when cables might not be the same over a 10 year period. Instead of the failure rate of a million included cables bought with todays phone and inspected a year from now