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Selling phones without chargers was Apple's idea and it creates way more packaging waste and e-waste as well. If you keep using the charger from your old phone for your new phone, nobody else can use your old phone unless he buys a new charger.
How many people have one charger and one cable? If the charger shorts or the cable breaks now you can’t charge your phone. As people in MR point out incessantly the phone is the single most important electronic device?
 
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Sad news for any fanboy out there who was adamant that Apple would not be forced to change their god-made plan and would release an EU-only USB-C iPhone
I hope they release USB C connector for the EU and India but give them the worst speeds possible for it and give other countries the good speeds. Just like they should give Brazil the slowest charger ever
 
So India is as anti-environmental protection as EU.:rolleyes:
How is this anti-enviromental? Your cables are going to be changed anyway, only this time you buy a USB-C one, or nothing since you’ll likely have one already from the new accesories that include them.
And nobody is forcing you to go running to buy a cable the second a USB-C iPhone is announced. This is a non-issue, c’mon.
 
There will be no EU only Apple hardware. Who would be rediculous enough to think that,..do you know how much that would blow out manufacturing cost?
Well, Apple put out a U.S.-only SIM card slot free iPhone 14 while all other countries got iPhone 14's with both a SIM card slot and eSIM. If Apple can do that, then Apple can do a for EU-only iPhone with USB-C. The question is would they.
 
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Apple followed the strategy to get rid of cables in last years. Now the big "innovation" is a wire? Forced by EU politicians? Still very sceptical. For me this doesn't feel innovative to get the android wired port on an iphone.
Apple didn't get rid of usb-c ports on the iPad and Macintosh... my point about innovations with USB-c/USB4 aren't really about Apple per se, it's just that USB4 enables so many features that lightning does not. And since Apple has adopted USB4/thunderbolt on some of its machines, why not embrace USB-C or even USB4 on the iPhone?

iPhone is powerful enough to drive an external display just like Samsung Dex... look at CarPlay you can use the car play screen while still using the phone simultaneously. Apple could tunnel DisplayPort via USB-c and allow users to have a similar functionality on an external monitor especially since the A16 chip is so fast... obviously Apple probably won't do this, but what it could do that would be beneficial for some users is enable faster transfer speeds at 10 Gbps or more...
 
Nobody trusts Apple to do the right thing. Without the EU, Apple would never give up lightning and control.
I too would have thought this a few years ago until they started changing iPads to USB-C. It was obvious then that the iPhone would change too. Did the EU ruling hasten the switch? Perhaps. But it would have happened anyway. Then there are those who think Apple will skip USB-C and go straight to portless. I certainly hope they don’t do that. Having to stick a magnetic charger on the back every time you wanted to charge would would be a major pain.
 
How is this anti-enviromental? Your cables are going to be changed anyway, only this time you buy a USB-C one, or nothing since you’ll likely have one already from the new accesories that include them.
And nobody is forcing you to go running to buy a cable the second a USB-C iPhone is announced. This is a non-issue, c’mon.
What do you think will happen to all those cables as people upgrade...
 
I find it funny how reluctant Apple is to adopt USB-C (which they helped develop) for absolutely no good reason. They will pretend it's to avoid "waste" when they have no trouble changing the stupid charge port of their laptops every year (MagSafe 1, MagSafe 2, USB-C, then MagSafe 3) which comes with a cable that literally disintegrates within 2 years on its own, making computers that lack HDMI, USB-A and an SD slot just to force you to buy more dongles (more e-waste, anyone?), and then coming up with an Apple pencil that requires a USB-C to Lightning dongle, or having some iPads use USB-C while others still use Lightning. Glueing in their batteries so nearly the entire computer is trash after the battery is consumed. Riveting in their keyboard so you can't fix it if a crumb gets under the untested keyboard design causing you to have to – you guessed it – replace the entire computer just so you can type again.

But having to use a USB-C cable that's literally faster and delivers more power (which most people already own because you forced them to transition with your own MacBooks, remember)? Blasphemy! Waste! Compatibility issues!

Apple has become one of the most pretentious, up-their-own-a** company in existence.
Why don’t you tell us what you really think of Apple? 😜
 
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How many people have one charger and one cable? If the charger shorts or the cable breaks now you can’t charge your phone. As people in MR point out incessantly the phone is the single most important electronic device?
This is one of the few advantages I could see if you had multiple devices of the same port. If you have enough you most likely have more than one cable with you. So if one craps out, it's inconvenient but you can still charge everything in rotation.
 
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This is one of the few advantages I could see if you had multiple devices of the same port. If you have enough you most likely have more than one cable with you. So if one craps out, it's inconvenient but you can still charge everything in rotation.
And you still keep the wireless option, be it Qi or MagSafe.
 
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Why is this “the right thing”?
Why should they give up lightning when it’s better in almost every respect for its purpose?
I'm coincidentally writing this from a phone that stopped charging overnight because my Lightning cable isn't "official" enough. I intentionally avoid buying Apple cables because they end up fraying. I don't find Lightning better at all.
 
Sad news for any fanboy out there who was adamant that Apple would not be forced to change their god-made plan and would release an EU-only USB-C iPhone

Spiteful Apple could still do this. They already split the US and rest of world models over that stupid block of plastic instead of a SIM slot.
 
Why is this “the right thing”?
Why should they give up lightning when it’s better in almost every respect for its purpose?

Name just one purpose for which Lightning is better. Some say the connector design, but it’s just as prone to wear as USB-C, perhaps even moreso because the pins are more exposed on Lightning.

Even the name Lightning has become truly ironic, as it now represents the slowest I/O bus available on a modern computing device.
 
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Selling phones without chargers was Apple's idea and it creates way more packaging waste and e-waste as well. If you keep using the charger from your old phone for your new phone, nobody else can use your old phone unless he buys a new charger.
That’s one new charger versus over 150 million new chargers with EVERY iPhone that shipped in a year, previously. The environment says “Thanks!”
 
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You are calculating % but forgot the numbers. Indians stand at 1.4Billion people. So a small percentage of mobile users is still a considerable number.

People said that when the iPhone Minis were selling 5 million units too. More raw numbers than most smartphone companies ever see and still got cancelled.

Relativity goes both ways. Missing out on 96% of a 1.4 Billion Population is infinitely more significant than cornering 4% of them.
 
I got a better idea.

USB-C should have the same connector size as Lightning.

Anyways.

Another USB port shape will come by 2030 and everyone arguing again.
 
Why is this “the right thing”?
Why should they give up lightning when it’s better in almost every respect for its purpose?
Why is it better? It can't support faster speeds, it's not universal, and will never be universal (there is no push to start using lightning on Windows laptops or Android phones or external hard drives). USB-C, on the other hand, is good in theory because it supports pretty much everything (HDMI, USB 3, Ethernet, fast charging, higher voltages, etc etc etc). And it would suck less if more devices started adopting it, such as, you guessed it, the iPhone. Imagine a future where everything just used USB-C and there weren't exceptions. Everyone would be able to lend you a charging cable. Every device would plug into every cable and at least be able to charge. What exactly is the point in working against this? USB-C does everything that lightning does, except the cables are cheaper, faster, and work with everything, not just a single manufacturer's single product line.

The one, single, only argument for Lightning is "I already have a bunch of Lightning cables and they'll become useless". That's it. And we're only talking about cables, not something that is really bad for the environment like batteries, which Apple seems to have no problem gluing into their devices with the strongest adhesives known to man just to ensure their expensive devices end up in landfills rather than be repaired and reused for years.
 
This is one of the few advantages I could see if you had multiple devices of the same port. If you have enough you most likely have more than one cable with you. So if one craps out, it's inconvenient but you can still charge everything in rotation.
The same applies to every usb type device. I have multiple micro usb cables. Multiple usb to lightning. Multiple usb a to usb c. Multiple usb c to usb c.

The people who claim to have one charger which the sell with their phones doesn’t ring true. Can’t for the life of me figure out how the support themselves if their one cable or charger gets ruined.

When I travel I take what I need I would never take one of each on a trip — just asking for trouble.
 
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You can't really pull out of a market if you've barely broken into it in the first place 😆
Apple's fault for not offering dual SIM early on. Dual SIM is pretty standard in Asia.

Samsung has its own phone OS?😲 Smart of them to offer Android on their phones instead of forcing us to use SamOS or whatever it's called.
 
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You can't really pull out of a market if you've barely broken into it in the first place 😆
Apple's first target was gaining 1% of the market share. 3.94% of market share is a lot as India has almost 1.4 billion people and expecting a smartphone sale about 165 million in 2022. 2021 and 22 iPhone sales have increased a lot in India. An average Indian customer pays around 15000 Inr for a smartphone. ($185). If Apple could release an iPhone for about $350 with 6.1" screen and A14 bionic only for Indian market, within a year their market share would climb to 10-15%!
 
There will be no EU only Apple hardware. Who would be rediculous enough to think that,..do you know how much that would blow out manufacturing cost?
you know that the EU and US iPhones are physically different already with different frequency ranges and the EU has a Simtray while the US version does not.
 
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