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Indie No Show at iTMS Europe?
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theadz01 said:Only one Björk track!?!?
neither of Kylie's 2 last albums?!
to name just two!
the only good thing i like is the price, but it is pointless when there is nothing really to download!
Shame about Björk.
heh, they have plenty of Stiff Little Fingers however.
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/...m?playlistId=14595180&selectedItemId=14594852
Very poor iTMS UK library
Having waited for iTMS UK for ages, I'm really disappointed by the library of music they've got on offer, especially compared to iTMS US. There's virtually nothing under Moby, there's no Sarah McLachan, if they do have the artist chances are they have maybe a "partial" album available.
I simply don't believe they have 700,000 tracks available for iTMS UK.
All in extremely disappointing, they better sort this out soon.
Having waited for iTMS UK for ages, I'm really disappointed by the library of music they've got on offer, especially compared to iTMS US. There's virtually nothing under Moby, there's no Sarah McLachan, if they do have the artist chances are they have maybe a "partial" album available.
I simply don't believe they have 700,000 tracks available for iTMS UK.
All in extremely disappointing, they better sort this out soon.
jamesbulman said:
I doubt that apple controls which songs will be available to you. Seems to me that the record labels are still controlling the availability of song selections, seeing how they are responsible for delivering the tracks. It would be interesting to do a side by side comparison and find out what labels are holding out on you in the UK.
I was hoping that the iTMS would break down the release date boundaries, along with the europe only tracks, but it looks like that will never happen. I do realize that some artist have released some of their unreleased in the US tracks on iTMS.
Oh well, maybe in a years time we will see some shifts in how music is distributed globally.
Partial Albums
Welcome to the wonderful world of iTMS and music licensing. If an artist has used music from someone else, or another artist appears with them on a track, licensing deals have to be struck with everyone who has an interest in that song. If someone says "No" for whatever reason, it cannot be sold.
I also have a feeling that some artists (or the labels) see offering the partial album as a compromise. If you buy all the songs from that album that they made availble, you'll end up paying more than you would if bought the entire album at the iTMS reduced album price. Or they view it as a teaser: get the tracks you like, and then maybe you'll actually buy the whole album on CD.
Don't get me wrong: I love iTMS. I was waiting for something like this for a long time, and I think Apple did it right. But the world of music licensing is one of those rings of hell that I do not want to deal with.
theadz01 said:partial albums?
why can't they use the full album?
Welcome to the wonderful world of iTMS and music licensing. If an artist has used music from someone else, or another artist appears with them on a track, licensing deals have to be struck with everyone who has an interest in that song. If someone says "No" for whatever reason, it cannot be sold.
I also have a feeling that some artists (or the labels) see offering the partial album as a compromise. If you buy all the songs from that album that they made availble, you'll end up paying more than you would if bought the entire album at the iTMS reduced album price. Or they view it as a teaser: get the tracks you like, and then maybe you'll actually buy the whole album on CD.
Don't get me wrong: I love iTMS. I was waiting for something like this for a long time, and I think Apple did it right. But the world of music licensing is one of those rings of hell that I do not want to deal with.
Dunepilot said:
Yepp, (as if it were still news ;-) all launched. That is: UK/France/Germany (note that this is not the placement of the EM).
The artists displayed on different pages differ slightly from shop to shop. E.g. the French and German store have some local bands on display.
Just tried: I registered at the German Store and can't buy fromt he French
Mmmhh... some tracks are identical: Tri Yann (French, or rather brezhoneg band) is both in the de and fr store but Mano Solo is only at the fr while neither is at the uk store. ****ty. Will prolly stick to buying CDs which don't have this kind of silly limitations...
These aren't all indie labels. For instance, Polydor is an EMI label. And Asylum is part of Elektra, which is a Warner Bros. label.niar said:
QT
QuickTime. Apple has nearly caught up with Windows Media Player, and surpassed Real. And it doesn't count ALL the ways people get QT--some are not tracked.
"A recent report on media player market share sales for client and enterprise applications by research firm Frost & Sullivan showed Apple moving into second position with 36.8 percent of the market, after running a distant third a few years ago. That puts Apple above Real, which controls 24.9 percent and not too far off from Microsoft and its share of 38.2 percent."
http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3366831
Dunepilot said:
QuickTime. Apple has nearly caught up with Windows Media Player, and surpassed Real. And it doesn't count ALL the ways people get QT--some are not tracked.
"A recent report on media player market share sales for client and enterprise applications by research firm Frost & Sullivan showed Apple moving into second position with 36.8 percent of the market, after running a distant third a few years ago. That puts Apple above Real, which controls 24.9 percent and not too far off from Microsoft and its share of 38.2 percent."
http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3366831
One gets used to rumor forums where a sense of consensus is just about impossible. This forum is quite different. The agreement over needing to sing Indie's on is pretty solid. The idea that they will slowly sign on shows itself occasionally, but, by the end of the forum, there is a sense that Apple is not offering as good a deal to the independents as to the others. If true, that arouses my sense of indignation!
The real story
Getting a sense from forum posters who don't know any inside info is one thing... but this seems to be the REAL story from the indie labels themselves:
http://macobserver.com/article/2004/06/16.1.shtml
Guess what? It sounds like it's the indies being greedy, not Apple! They want the option to raise song prices on us after 6-12 months if iTunes does well.
Hopefully they will see reason sooner rather than later. Apple hasn't let anyone--not even the big labels--raise iTunes prices.
Getting a sense from forum posters who don't know any inside info is one thing... but this seems to be the REAL story from the indie labels themselves:
http://macobserver.com/article/2004/06/16.1.shtml
Guess what? It sounds like it's the indies being greedy, not Apple! They want the option to raise song prices on us after 6-12 months if iTunes does well.
Hopefully they will see reason sooner rather than later. Apple hasn't let anyone--not even the big labels--raise iTunes prices.
OT: QT v. WMP. FYI. OK?
By that logic, the numbers are especially amazing: if Apple hasn't quite overtaken MS, then slightly more Mac users are downloading WMP than Windows users are downloading QT! I don't think so
This isn't simply a download count. I don't know what defines "media player market share sales for client and enterprise applications" exactly, but it's not what you're assuming.
rhoughton said:
By that logic, the numbers are especially amazing: if Apple hasn't quite overtaken MS, then slightly more Mac users are downloading WMP than Windows users are downloading QT! I don't think so
This isn't simply a download count. I don't know what defines "media player market share sales for client and enterprise applications" exactly, but it's not what you're assuming.
