You can't leave the walled garden. At least, that's what I keep hearing. You're trapped darn it!! 😂
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Insight Timer CEO Upset With Apple's Abrupt Enforcement of App Store Rules [Updated]
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Weird how most comments here depict the EU as the villain in the opening stores saga, but now stay quiet.
Except the paying audience?
Do you have a million people in your FaceTime call on at the same time you're talking to your lawyer, tax/investment agent/advisor? Do you think the few bucks you pay those people would cover the million others also on your call?
Everything you mentioned has a direct website to use said things. You can purchase any device to get to them. Doesn't have to be Apple's or Androids, or Microsoft's OS.
For the convenience you pay to have it in one device (or another of your choice). Those services support being used on that device. Even then, none of those App's have to go through the AppStore to be useable. You or they can use the web directly to provide the content to you. And they charge you directly without ever paying Apple a dime. Or 1 red US cent.
I wonder if it’s even legal. I know employers aren’t allowed to take a cut of their employees tips because it’s considered the employee property
It's not a desktop or laptop computer. Your right. Do you think it would make sense to claim a smart watch is a desktop computer or a laptop equivalent? I don't expect it to be, nor did I when smart phones came out. As you can do somethings, but not all things a desktop or laptop can do. Everything is and was more limited on said device. They are different categories of products. They all compute. But, they are not all the same.
More doom and gloom coming soon.
Yoga and meditation classes are often donation/tip-based to allow anyone to join even if they’re poor
Regarding your "duopoly", I guess you've never heard of Samsung, a small company from Korea that sells personal electronic devices all over the world.
Apple's share is for the opportunity to reach a desired market and the commercial services they provide for the sellers, and it is not simply 30%, which you well know. People vote with their wallets on whether any price that any company charges for anything is worth their money. Happens all day, every day.
I think that would be fine but that’s not their argument. They say that these people rely on tips.
If developers put a tip jar in their app that also falls under the 15/30% rule. How is that different?
Enough with Tipping!!!
Put up a venmo tag during a live video.
Tipping has gone way too far, if you don’t like the job, don’t take it.
With that said, Apple is correct, nobody should expect a free ride. Apple is a service and many companies would abuse the free tip ride if apple allowed it. If apple accepted payment, then they would need to send out a special 1099 to every person receiving a tip. it’s that simple. At that time, apple would face one audit after another and maybe some people didn’t receive a tip or have no way to track, then apple would be sued again.
Put up a venmo tag during a live video.
Tipping has gone way too far, if you don’t like the job, don’t take it.
With that said, Apple is correct, nobody should expect a free ride. Apple is a service and many companies would abuse the free tip ride if apple allowed it. If apple accepted payment, then they would need to send out a special 1099 to every person receiving a tip. it’s that simple. At that time, apple would face one audit after another and maybe some people didn’t receive a tip or have no way to track, then apple would be sued again.
The "duopoly" in question is really regarding the mobile OS market where iOS and Android are the only two major players. Apple's restrictions on sideloading and alternative app stores stifles app access competition in a major segment of the mobile OS market. Same is true in the tablet OS market.
Correct, I haven't heard of any widely popular Samsung operating system and integrated app marketplace. There's iOS and the App Store, Android and the Google Play Store... nope, not seeing any big Samsung effort since they discontinued Tizen back in 2021.
As should be obvious, we're not talking about hardware here since the article is entirely about software and app store fees.
“Apple's reasoning is that a one-to-one donation is a monetary gift, but a workshop or class with at least two people is digital content that's subject to a commission.”
I don’t see anything unreasonable about this argument, and it’s the crux of the matter at hand here.
It also sounds like Apple had reps working directly with this company to consult on how to get into compliance.
Not really sure if this is one of those “how dare they” stories 🤷♂️
I don’t see anything unreasonable about this argument, and it’s the crux of the matter at hand here.
It also sounds like Apple had reps working directly with this company to consult on how to get into compliance.
Not really sure if this is one of those “how dare they” stories 🤷♂️
Why would it matter? Apple shouldn’t be taking a cut of anyone’s tips. It’s illegal in the United States for an employer to take a cut of their employee’s tips and this should be the case over the Internet too
The Internet was supposed to *free* us, not give us more rent-seeking middlemen
And? Why would that make a difference
Some people don't even use traditional computers and laptops anymore. they live their lives on their phones and tablets. A lot of people don't even TALK on their smart"phones". Its just a pocket computer with anywhere internet connection.
Why should they be so restricted?
And I'm sure you've heard it a million times, the people who worry about security, can just continue to use Apple App store.
Of the $60 subscription fee that customers pay, Apple collects 15 to 30 percent. The remainder is split between Insight Timer and the teachers that participate on the platform, with each getting a 50 percent cut. Insight Timer earned $20 million in subscription revenue in 2023.
So the Insight Timer developer is collecting 35-42.5%, and the teachers are getting the same? Why doesn’t the developer give more to the teachers? No wonder these pinheads are pushing users to tip/donate to the teachers. Cheap bastages. But they’ll just whine about Apple to a tech blog, and enough mindless sheep will blindly go along with the false narrative.
So the Insight Timer developer is collecting 35-42.5%, and the teachers are getting the same? Why doesn’t the developer give more to the teachers? No wonder these pinheads are pushing users to tip/donate to the teachers. Cheap bastages. But they’ll just whine about Apple to a tech blog, and enough mindless sheep will blindly go along with the false narrative.
Samsung doesn’t quite have an OS outside of Tizen, which has been discontinued on most of their devices except their TV’s. On mobile devices, they’ve basically gone Android (Wear OS on watches), but they put their own skin on it called One UI, soon to be up to Version 6. They do have an ecosystem with watches, phones, tablet, and PC’s running Windows. They also have a Samsung Store that is installed along side of the Google Play Store that often hosts duplicates of apps already in the Play Store but also contains Samsung apps and some exclusives that do not appear in the Play Store. The ecosystem emulates Apple’s in many ways, trying to share information between their systems, such as passwords and health data, along with features similar to Continuity and Universal Control that works with Windows. Samsung is trying to be Apple by duplicating many of the features Apple releases in their OS’es.
And yet it still relies on Android, and in turn Google, and therefore it's a duopoly. It's Android (regardless of the fork or the skin) or iOS, and there are no other reasonable options.
Correct, I agree that it is a duopoly. I’ve argued that myself in other threads. Underlying it all is Android or Wear OS. I was just answering a post where it seemed you were unaware that Samsung hosts its own App Store and duplicates all of Google’s apps, along with its efforts into creating a Samsung ecosystem centered on Bixby and a very Apple-like ecosystem, which in my opinion outclasses anything Google is doing on its own lines of hardware. Also note the Samsung ecosystem does not work with any non-Samsung Android device, so to the outside user, they may not be aware Android is the underlying OS though all the Google apps are still present. Two years ago, Samsung was using Tizen on their watches, the last Tizen holdout when it comes to computers or computer-related products. They’ve basically abandoned it except on televisions, which still run Tizen. I apologize if I’m telling you stuff you already knew.
Apple isnt the employer. They are the provider of the tip jar and now they arent providing it for free (as their rules already stated but they are enforcing it). The app dev team knew it was a rule. It just wasnt enforced.
For those saying tipping is optional, years ago a group of us visited the US.
Staff wrote on bills messages (since we obviously come from a country where staff are paid and tipping isnt essential).
A cab driver not only wanted his fare but had his hand out for a tip and when we explained we had just landed and had no cash, huffed and puffed and grumbled loudly as he threw our bags out on the footpath.
We know tipping is portrayed as making staff engage better for tips.
But in reality, the bosses just pay wages so low the staff rely on tips to make ends meet. It's exploitive on those who can least afford to say no to it.
Wasnt there some US business that had a sign saying tips were optional as they pay their staff livable wages?