theMarble
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Use "asr" in Terminal. Works every time, as it's basically the old pre-El Capitan restore command but in the terminal. I've used for everything from OS 9 to Mavericks and it has worked.
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Install 10.4.11 on ATA HD using 2018 MacBook Pro?
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No. You will have to install OS9 using an OS 9 installer. They’re at the garden somewhere.
Amethyst1
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It’s enough to point Tiger’s Classic prefpane at an existing
System Folder if you have one collecting digital dust somewhere. 🙂
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Is there any way to open Toast images on a modern computer without buying Toast? It boggles my mind that people upload so much Mac stuff--especially system software, which is needed to get a classic Mac up and running--in a format that is proprietary.
theMarble
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The Unarchiver will do the trick, of course if you have an older Mac you can download most releases of Toast Titanium from the Macintosh Garden.
This project keeps throwing me curve balls--the latest is that both of my iMac HDs are now dead--but I'm determined to bend these things to my will. Long-term I'll probably put in a SSD but for now I've dug out an old era-correct HD that hasn't yet died. This item above has me stumped.
Disk Utility in Monterey unsurprisingly includes no option for adding OS 9 drivers when partitioning. I've decided not to try to mount drives in my Sawtooth any more because I suspect that is what killed both iMac drives somehow. Instead I'm mounting it externally via a USB/ATA interface. On the Sawtooth (OS X 10.2), Disk Utility includes no command to partition that I can find, much less an option to install OS 9 drivers.
What am I missing here? Is this an option only with a narrow range of Disk Utility versions?
On my MacBookPro, Unarchiver doesn't work for this. I also can open almost no .iso files, and no .iso files renamed from .toast.
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TheShortTimer
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Yeah, it would be highly surprising if the functionality was available. 😀
It's very unlikely that mounting the HDDs in your Sawtooth killed them. If that were the case then I'd have experienced an extremely high attrition rate with mine. The likelihood is that the drives were on their last legs and died in action. HDDs will fail when you least expect it to happen and even if they've seen light usage - as I'm experiencing right now.
Is there a particular reason why you're using 10.2 on the Sawtooth instead of Tiger, which would be miles better? You should have the option to install OS 9 drivers available to you in all OS X versions up to Leopard. Try these steps here for partitioning, formatting and adding OS 9 drivers using Disk Utility in 10.1 to 10.2.
theMarble
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First of all, an image won't mount if the extension has been changed. Secondly, which image did you download? I've always had success with extracting images so if you can link me to it, I'll have a go at it.
Yeah, because 10.2 was the newest OS when I mothballed this thing, and haven’t bothered to upgrade it. I have a sizable retro computer collection but this is the only one that qualifies (barely, imo) that I actually bought new. Good example though—768 mb ram, 1.3 GHz processor upgrade, SCSI card. I haven’t upgraded it since its contents are my own genuine organic stuff. I obviously need to clone it to a newer drive before it goes toes-up.
My suspicion about the Sawtooth killing the iMac HDs is based on the fact that I wasn’t certain I had the master/slave jumper settings right. (I’m not even sure if that can mess up a drive.)
Thanks. I’ll check out the Newer Tech link.
I’m kind of wondering if maybe I somehow have a version of Disk Utility on the Sawtooth that’s older than the OS…
TheShortTimer
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I can relate to that. Out of all my Macs, there's only one that I purchased brand new and directly from Apple. When you upgrade the Sawtooth from 10.2 to 10.4 at the very least, you won't regret it.
As I type this I'm middle of cloning and backing up data from an ATA HDD - which itself was a backup for another drive that died on me a few years back. One of the partitions appears to be bad and I've been lucky enough to rescue everything of consequence before it fails on me. Don't delay!
Really doubt that was the culprit because otherwise I would've destroyed several drives through the years by setting the jumper configurations incorrectly. 🙂
Can't see it, given that the Newer Tech instructions are relevant for 10.2 and the earlier 10.1.
Ok well my problem with the partitioning is that I made a total rookie mistake and never clicked in the hard drive name in Disk Utility-just the volume name-so of course it never gave me the option of partitioning it. So now my HD is properly partitioned, OS 9 drivers and all.
Oh, and it’s running 10.3.9 rather than 10.2. So I got that wrong too. The absence of blue jail bars should have tipped me off. I’ve been using and evangelizing for Macs since 1992 and somehow I’ve reverted to total noob status.
Next I have to figure out why it won’t boot from USB. For some reason when I start with the USB stick containing the 10.4 install DVD connected and Option held down, it doesn’t boot. Chime, disks and fans spin up, then it seems to hang. Maybe it doesn’t like my SanDisk Cruzer.
Oh, and it’s running 10.3.9 rather than 10.2. So I got that wrong too. The absence of blue jail bars should have tipped me off. I’ve been using and evangelizing for Macs since 1992 and somehow I’ve reverted to total noob status.
Next I have to figure out why it won’t boot from USB. For some reason when I start with the USB stick containing the 10.4 install DVD connected and Option held down, it doesn’t boot. Chime, disks and fans spin up, then it seems to hang. Maybe it doesn’t like my SanDisk Cruzer.
TheShortTimer
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Great news. 🙂
We all experience those moments. 😉
The USB stick booted previously, didn't it?
When the iMac hangs, does it show the prohibited "no entry" screen?
Actually I’m doing this on the Sawtooth.
It hangs with a black screen. I’ll try it in the iMac tomorrow.
It hangs with a black screen. I’ll try it in the iMac tomorrow.
TheShortTimer
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No wonder.
I've never been able to make my Sawtooth boot from USB with Option held down but it never fails with the iMac G3.
Once someone told me: "Clicking and dragging Windows isn't the same as learning to really use a computer (in this case a Mac)." I know people who "uses" their computer for much more time that I'm alive and that doesn't means anything, and the same applies to this younger generation that thinks that just because technology it's broadly available they really "know things".
Like I said in my first post trying to help you: Technically all Macs can boot from USB (maybe not the fastest thing on earth, but does the trick), but some are more easily, and some requires more steps. That doesn't mean that every USB drive it's virtually compatible because newer drives may have some quirkiness of their own to work on the computers that are designed for (USB are technically a backward compatibility connector/protocol, but technically and practically are two different things and not everyone follows things strictly).
theMarble
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All Intel Macs and most of the later post-July 2000 G4/G5 Macs can boot from USB. However, all G3's and G4 systems made before 2000 (or did not have a firmware update post the release of the Mystic/Gig G4 Tower) cannot boot from USB or even FireWire optical drives. This includes the original clamshell iBook's, the Blue and White and the Yikes/Sawtooth.
TheShortTimer
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My 1999 iMac G3 can boot from USB. Does that mean that it was enabled via this 2001 update?
Edit: it would seem so.
theMarble
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Yep, it was introduced with the Gigabit Ethernet PMG4 but later brought to a few other Macs.
That's an really specific answer, I didn't know that detailed list of machines, thanks @theMarble , but that's what I said in my reply "Technically", because when I worked with Macs as an IT Manager, everything from B&W G3 until the G5's i got USB boot working with some quirks, but much more reliable than the Optical Boot that varies too much for work that need more consistency.
LightBulbFun
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errr not quite!
anything that has a Uninorth chipset can boot from USB, this includes Sawtooths (Sawteeth?) and the first iBook G3's
on these early systems you can even USB boot simply by holding down the alt key, and it will even work via USB cards as well 🙂
anything with a Grackle/MPC106 chipset cannot boot from USB simply as their firmware does not include a mass storage driver, theoretically someone could write an OpenFirmware mass storage driver for these systems and load it in as a NVRAMRC patch or such if space allows and boot from USB 🙂
Amethyst1
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theMarble
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Well then I stand corrected. Interestingly I've heard lots of people say that a Sawtooth cannot boot from USB.
On my B/W, I've tried the multi-boot command in OF, yet all it did was freeze up and shut down.
TheShortTimer
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Hold on here. From my experience, you are correct. I have a 1999 Sawtooth (with an internal FireWire port on the logic board unlike later revisions) and I've been unable to get it to boot from USB via its main ports - or those on a USB 2.0 card by holding down Option after the chime has sounded.
It ignored the very same USB stick which has successfully installed Tiger on my Dual USB iBook G3's, my eMac G4 and my iMac G3. Perhaps it never received a firmware update during its previous ownership but I very much doubt that at some point this didn't happen.
It's possible that not all Sawtooth models possess this capability.
theMarble
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There may of been some undocumented firmware changes done during the production run of the Sawtooth.