this video is actually pretty good, yes, it's from Intel but ...
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Intel and AMD Ask for Government Incentives While Apple Supplier TSMC Expands to Meet Unprecedented Demand
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The typical conservative mantra is to scream "free market" when the profits are rolling in and "unfair markets" when they bozo it up and want a handout.
Of course that doesn't apply to actual people... for them it's "pick yourself up you lazy bum"
And one of the freest economies. The government shouldn't be subsidizing this. Sadly, big corps with the right political angles tend to get public funding.
Our system is the best in the world, and if you don't think so, there are plenty of countries that tried such "reforms." There's a reason new technology tends to be produced here and not in Europe, and the US has brought millions of immigrants from crap situations to decent or even elite status.
You want to talk about ethics, look at how brutally European countries keep illegal migrants out of their fragile societies, makes our border control look soft in comparison. They're not the progressive ones, we are; socialism is the old, pre-global way of doing things.
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yep, semiconductors are used way beyond Apple and all the big players ... saw an estimate a few days ago that a modern car (not EV) contains ~ 300 chips and an EV ~ 3,000 chips ...
ok, I agree to some extend on the subsidies mentioned in the original article ...
But, every (big) company in the US get plenty subsidies and has so for many many years, and that includes Apple ... easy to google on ... and quite frankly I do not think there's anything wrong offering this, cause subsidies are granted everywhere in the world by every government ...
Just because others do it doesn't mean we should, and just because other companies got it from us doesn't mean Intel should. It's blatant corruption.
That's nice in theory, but what if you're dealing with a key technology that competing countries are heavily subsidizing? If we lose semiconductors, we will lose technology leadership sooner or later (not to mention the national security aspects).
Doesn't matter if other countries are subsidizing it. If it's worth the funding, the market should find a way to fund it on its own. And it's not the environment or something with externalities that the govt needs to control.
National security is a different matter; the government can certainly be a buyer of chips. But they're just asking for subsidies.
The "free market" only works if everyone plays by the same rules.
No, it works regardless. On the world stage there is a free market among the nations. What nation X wants to do internally with subsidies doesn't change the game for nation Y. X is really only shooting themselves in the foot by entrenching less competent but more politically powerful companies. Y can say, oh we won't trade with X cause we don't like their system, but then they're both losing out. Y can still say, it's worth taking the hit of restricting trade to weaken X, but they'd need others to join in for it to work.
The US has subsidies too but not like other countries. More of a small tumor we have trouble removing rather than the MO. We have protectionism too but again mild in comparison. This is why we're ahead and will continue to stay ahead.
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Steve, That's the point to me...I love the Apple ecosystem as it all works together, my apple watch is an extension of my phone. I use the wallet on the watch to pay for things so that I don't have to pull out he iPhone or even worse my wallet. I can use apps o the iPhone and continue them in the iPad or vice versa. I can take pictures one iPad or iPhone and have them show up in photos on either of my Mac computers, etc. For the record I am not a windows person. I absolutely dislike windows. and as for mobile devices, I'm not an Android fan as the GUI is too cluttered with widgets all over the place. But, this is all just my preference and like you, there is no tech on my house that is not Apple...a 2012 Mini server, 2010 5,1 MacPro 12 core 3.46, 2018 13" MBP, 2 iPads, 2 iPhone, 4K Apple TV. I still have my old Macs going back to a 512K. I have to deal with windows workstations at work along with Macs in a television realm.
On sidenote to what you were asking, I'm not afraid of them controlling too much of my life, because I feel that as much as you need to question everything that...especially a corporation does, I feel that Apple, or at least Tim seems to have some morals and is at least TRYING o do the right things to protect peoples privacy, etc....as much as he does also have to maintain proper responsibility to the board of directors and the shareholders. I know there will have to be some form of compromise but still maintain security. I do very much like the fact that the app store vets apps as best as they can. I have heard of too manny people getting bad stuff on the play store.
As far as the whole developer situation, Like I said earlier, I work on television and I understand the costs of running and maintaining this infrastructure. We only have 750TB of videos server storage and I know from other people in the industry that companies like NFL Flims has 3-4 Petabytes and MLB has over 11 Petabytes. Apple like Amazon web services (AWS) must have storage in the range of 100's of Exabytes the expense of supporting that is immense, just in electric and HVAC, not to mention that server lifespan is considered 5-7 years.
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That's an extremely oversimplified view that ignores a lot of real-world factors, such as the effect that the loss of technological knowledge in the labor force has on the competitiveness of a national economy, particularly when it comes to key technologies that many sectors depend on.
You clearly haven’t drank enough Guinness
lol while the economy is in ashes, the public is on a year-long plunge into poverty & facing evictions from their apartments, the biggest, most profitable companies in the world are elbowing to the front of the line with a “but muh billions” & asking for handouts. Nice.
How about we fix the stupid Double Irish loophole in the tax code and make you all pay taxes to the country you’re actually operating in? How about every robot you put in this costs you the same as the wage and benefits of the # of workers you won’t be hiring to do the work, & that money goes to fund unemployment instead of slashing that too and leaving workers out on the street? How’s that for an incentive ...to pipe down.
How about we fix the stupid Double Irish loophole in the tax code and make you all pay taxes to the country you’re actually operating in? How about every robot you put in this costs you the same as the wage and benefits of the # of workers you won’t be hiring to do the work, & that money goes to fund unemployment instead of slashing that too and leaving workers out on the street? How’s that for an incentive ...to pipe down.
A small forum post will be simplified. The countries-as-individuals analogy does hold, though. There are different ways to allocate the nation's resources, and there are pros and cons to heavy-handed approaches, but just because some countries do things the big govt way doesn't mean the US is at a disadvantage by not following suit.
And we're probably talking about China, which is a very different country from ours. Main thing I'm gonna gloss over is that their approach, while seemingly better in some ways, is worse overall. Plus, that strategy works better for them than it would for us.
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I did a google search, see below, replace "intel" with any other name as I've done in the other links below ... I think this "small tumor" is larger than you think ... at the same token, other countries are indeed worse
tax incentives for intel in the USA
Apple’s 22-Year Tax Break Part of Billions in California Bounty (1)
Apple Inc. was on the brink of bankruptcy in 1997 when it cut a deal with the city of Cupertino, California.
Amazon had to pay federal income taxes for the first time since 2016 — here's how much
After two straight years of paying $0 in U.S. federal income tax, Amazon was on the hook for a $162 million federal tax bill in 2019, the company said.
Google reaped millions in tax breaks as it secretly expanded its real estate footprint across the U.S.
Last May, officials in Midlothian, Texas, a city near Dallas, approved more than $10 million in tax breaks for a huge, mysterious new development across from a shuttered Toys R Us warehouse.
www.latimes.com
Subsidy Tracker
Subsidy Tracker, produced by the Corporate Research Project of Good Jobs First, is a wide-ranging database on misconduct by large and small corporations throughout the United States.
subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org
What is the image? I'm under the impression it's a bunch of manufacturered chips, but I'm confused why it seems to be on a copper circle... the chips themselves are all rectangular, are they not? So why are they made as a circle - aren't all the rounded edges a waste of space? Something I think is probably quite wrong...
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Amazing - ask a question, get heavily downvoted and mostly snarky responses. I'm a computer engineer. I'd wager that 99.99% of people didn't know the answer to my question, and actually, probably the best response I got was this, which, while it mentions the wafer, doesn't actually say why it's round:
Wikipedia has an article on Wafers here:
Wafer (electronics) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Wafers are the material that chips are made from. Start with a wafer, and etch the actual design of the chip (using masks) into them. They're round because apparently that's the best way people know how to make them, using this process from 1915: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czochralski_method
Over time, wafers have gotten increasingly large, so that more chips can be cut per wafer and there's less wasted edge material.
I guess that answers my questions? But I want to make sure you all know that you're all elitist and suck. @arn, what's with this community that so despises people for trying to learn stuff?
Only in certain places. Why look in high cost of living states when you can get developers in the five figure range in low cost of living states? The hidden beauty of the remote work boom.
It's a corporate wet-dream. Your janitor may be making $15/hr now, but your Silicon Valley developer can take a hike. He's too entitled and too expensive.
Oh yes, it's high on the list of things that bother me. I mean small compared to elsewhere.I did a google search, see below, replace "intel" with any other name as I've done in the other links below ... I think this "small tumor" is larger than you think ... at the same token, other countries are indeed worse
tax incentives for intel in the USA
Apple’s 22-Year Tax Break Part of Billions in California Bounty (1)
Apple Inc. was on the brink of bankruptcy in 1997 when it cut a deal with the city of Cupertino, California.news.bloombergtax.com
Amazon had to pay federal income taxes for the first time since 2016 — here's how much
After two straight years of paying $0 in U.S. federal income tax, Amazon was on the hook for a $162 million federal tax bill in 2019, the company said.www.cnbc.com
Google reaped millions in tax breaks as it secretly expanded its real estate footprint across the U.S.
Last May, officials in Midlothian, Texas, a city near Dallas, approved more than $10 million in tax breaks for a huge, mysterious new development across from a shuttered Toys R Us warehouse.
Subsidy Tracker
Subsidy Tracker, produced by the Corporate Research Project of Good Jobs First, is a wide-ranging database on misconduct by large and small corporations throughout the United States.
Intel is a big target to paint on MacRumors, full of Apple fans. Title might as well read, "Big company with antiquated tech and a long history of resting on their monopoly finally gets what they deserve and cries about it." Well, I agree this time, and it's a good illustration of why these subsidies are counterproductive.
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