I think you are onto something here. Pizza manufacturing might unlock the secrets to semiconductor manufacturing............
Silicon wafers ar circular because the processes to make a wafer use centrifugal force which would not work on a square.
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Silicon wafers ar circular because the processes to make a wafer use centrifugal force which would not work on a square.
In some respects, it is true......unless you are 100% "native...indigenous" you or your ancestors are immigrants and there will be those who say that the Native Indigenous are immigrants too, but they were the first ones here. It seems that so many people are hating on each current nationality coming, but they have no idea (or don't care) what their first generation family suffered through when they got here. It seems as though "Americans" (those who have been here for a generation or two) seem to have lost the work ethic of first generation immigrants and businesses take advantage, especially in manual labor. Everybody bitches about the South Americans coming in and taking jobs, but there are not many Americans the are willing to work those jobs....because there are brutal. Here in the Northeast we got beat up with the snow, the landscape workers were out clearing the snow on skid steer loaders and shovels for over 30 hours straight.....most likely for minimum wage...or less? They are cold, tired, but they kept working til it was clear.
It's well before my time, but I have seen the history when the Irish started immigrating here, there were hall wanted signs that said "Irish need not apply" we here in US are a rare environment of a very mixed nationality that has made this country what it is...special. We just need to learn to hate less.
Intel had years to get into the mobile chip game. I worked at a job twelve years ago where one of the things I did was measure the heat output of one of Intel’s early generation Atom chips (evaluating them for use in a thermally constrained environment). As soon as I realized that the heat output was actually worse than Via’s x86 chips, I knew Intel was dead in the water and would never sell mobile chips in any significant quantity.
Technically I think the science is still at that they were the second wave to immigrate to the area; but no genetic material has survived from the first wave, and by all the evidence so far they died out before the second wave arrived.
Not in Detroit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit-style_pizza
Yeah, the kind of heat that even their ULV chips and other lower voltage chips output isn't up to snuff to M1 and other platforms now. Missed opportunity. I say this typing from a MacBook with a 1.1 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core M. The thing gets warmer than the M1 does by miles. 6 years and Intel really didn't change anything in this space aside from adding a bit more power to the CPU / GPU, but relatively little power and heat gains.
Consumer Ultra-Low Voltage - Wikipedia
There hasn't been much innovation on Intel's part in this space lately, I'm curious if AMD will do anything cool (low hopes here).
More corporate welfare requests.
How about you not ask for more money from my pocket in the form of redistribution from the middle to the top.
The corporate tax rate was cut under #45 and the marginal tax rate for the middle was increased when the State And Local Tax deduction was capped at $10K.
No More Corporate Welfare!!!!!!!
How about you not ask for more money from my pocket in the form of redistribution from the middle to the top.
The corporate tax rate was cut under #45 and the marginal tax rate for the middle was increased when the State And Local Tax deduction was capped at $10K.
No More Corporate Welfare!!!!!!!
Over my life time in the UK (60 years) I watched the Indian / Pakistani immigrants come and to the dirty work the UK people didn't want to do. Slowly they rose up the economic ladder to become doctors and dentists etc. Then the Africans came and did the same thing. Now it is the Eastern Europeans running all the car washes etc and they will rise up the ladder also. The indigenous population never complains when these people do the menial jobs they only complain as they start to rise the ladder. I say good luck to all of them and shame on you lazy Brits!!
For that matter, Sicilian style pizza in NYC is usually square, too. And I feel like either St. Louis style pizza or thin crust Chicago style (betcha didn’t know that that was a thing) or possibly some other midwestern pizza style is usually square.
As for silicon wafers, if I’m not mistaken, circles provide the maximum area for a given set of dimensions. Unless you make enough of a certain chip to justify creating a whole wafer and chip assembly process tuned to the demands and dimensions of just that one chip and that one chip is one that will continue to be sold through the lifetime of the factory, you’re better off making more generalized wafers and cutting what you need from them. As a programmer, engineer, or manufacturer, you want to avoid single use code/processes/techniques as much as possible.
I certainly remember when the cause du jour of conservatives was outsourcing manufacturing to lower cost areas and I was called a protectionist for saying an unconstrained exodus was not in anyone’s interest. How about levelizing the trade for the costs of environmental, benefits and working conditions? Otherwise you are exporting pollution, subsidizing poor working conditions and unduly burdening your own economy with benefit costs, all to benefit the wealthy. We do all learn in business school that supply and demand set price, not cost, so the benefit was not to consumers but to businesses, who largely didn’t needs it
snap! I hate being right. Strong evidence that that ideology is morally bankrupt when taken without common sense limits
snap! I hate being right. Strong evidence that that ideology is morally bankrupt when taken without common sense limits
Ideally, communism would be global, especially under the ambitions of Marx/Lenin. A lot of people think Stalin's communism failed largely because of his singular focus on the Soviet Union. If it could be achieved globally, people would advance through equity and cooperation. No matter who is making wafers, there wouldn't be poverty. Unfortunately a lot of people think it's as naïve as Adam Smith's capitalism, so we always end up with excessively rich and powerful people and organizations that find ways to take advantage of and dominate society, exploiting poverty while indulging their excesses
When the Polish immigrated to Scotland we finally had a strong supply of skilled programmers, nurses, and dentists. No complaints, and they certainly aren't cheeper or any of that nonsense, they command a good wage by bringing skills that our youth seem to find unattractive. Young people wanting to be dentists here is exceedingly rare, and it isn't like they can't do it, university is free.
No circles allow for the silicon manufacturing processes to work. Thin layers are dropped onto the wafer by centrifugal force you could not do that with a square. Yes its inefficient because you have 'half die' around the edges. However if your silicon chip is small enough you reduce the waste and get more 'good chips' per wafer. Of course there is also the issue of defect density, impurities that make a certain number of die unusable. That is in the manufacturing process and why TSMC are so successful compared to others. Low defect density. It doesn't matter if your chip is custom or generic what matters is that you use a generic process to make it and make the die as small as possible. The silicon manufacturing process doesn't care what is inside the chip just that it is easy to manufacture.
Yes as I have said the fab process requires centrifugal force to lay down layers which would not work on a square however the die are square so there is waste at the edges. The trick is to make your die so small that you get more per wafer.
Lots of focus on TSMC and fabs due to the original post does anyone know who Apple are using for the back end? I hope it is ASE Taiwan they are world leaders in slicing and dicing and providing a finished silicon chip.
Sure. But that doesn’t mean that doing so is moral, ethical, or sustainable. Just more reason why American capitalism needs serious regulation and reform.
Amazing how Conservatives Always run to the government when they mess up their businesses. Then beat their chests bragging how great Capitalism is. Capitalism is great. On your knees begging for Government handouts is not Capitalism. The end result, hypocrisy.
lol you thought America wasn't founded on open borders?
Stop promulgating communist propaganda. America has always been open borders. If you don't believe in open borders, then America is not for you, and you should probably go back to Europe.
I think you are onto something here. Pizza manufacturing might unlock the secrets to semiconductor manufacturing............
Silicon wafers ar circular because the processes to make a wafer use centrifugal force which would not work on a square.
How did you get that information?
My work on the Floating Point Peperoni has been a closely guarded secret for years.
I've hit a brick wall with the mushroom malfunction, but the developments that have some from it in security via the Sauce Security Sentinel have been worth it.
I know, the fabs are very expensive. At least in my country, we get automatically a tax break for investments. Sometimes the government need to give a helping hand beyond that for new developments. Fabs are however not new. Considering the booming market and Intels near monopoly for decades, this is simply mismanagement. We have seen industries in the west being taken over by low cost countries many times in different sectors and this will continue as long as we have low cost countries. If Taiwan and South Korea is best to produce chips, let them and invent something new instead. That is what the highly educated countries and the culture in the west is best suited for.
America was founded on the idea of open borders. The idea of immigration controls is a new idea. For centuries America let in anyone.
Anyone that wants to come and become a citizen of America, should. That is the REAL America, not your communist propaganda garbage. You should get an education and read a history book.
America is a liberal country: love it or leave it!
