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Intel and NVIDIA Team Up for Future Processors

chrmjenkins said:
Yeah, the scope of Nvidia doing Intel's IGPs would be HUGE. Nvidia would have to have access to Intel's foundry capabilities, which would put them a step ahead of TSMC and GloFo and give a huge edge over AMD/ATI (there's no way nvidia would agree to it without getting to use Intel foundries for their own discrete cards). It would literally rock the industry.
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Intel should've bought nVidia a long time ago. This "partnership" the misleading headline seems to indicate should happen. Intel would just crush AMD/ATI if they could pull this off.

Use your billions for something smart instead of trying to reinvent the wheel you keep making square Intel!
 
MacRumors said:
The cross-licensing agreement allows Intel to integrate NVIDIA technologies and those that are covered by our patents into their CPUs
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Seriously, learn to read.
They are NEVER going to incorporate an entire Nvidia GPU into their CPU (unless they decide to buy the entire company, of course). They are allowed to use some of their patents. Like "How to create a very thin transistor using an old McDonald's hamburger and lettuce from a Whopper" and stuff like that. You know those patents ...
 
So... does this means intels GPUs will get better? I mean significantly better?! like in 3D Gaming?

what does this mean for the mbp coming this spring?
 
darkleemar said:
apple had a part in this I just know it.
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Not at all!

AMD integrated chipset functions in the CPU (memory controller, and so on). Chipset makers had a difficult time, because they were no longer able to sell their chipsets for AMD-based systems (similar to NVIDIA now). The same happens on Intels side (see Nehalem/Westmere and Sandy Bridge). So AMDs/Intels stories are very similar, if viewed from today. To continue this red line, Intel needed some really good IPs in the field in which NVIDIA works. So now we have AMD & ATI vs. Intel & NVIDIA. That seems to be a very natural and logical progress.

However, both manufacturers need to increase the tightness of the integrated circuits. Intel plans a 22 nm process, which should appear in Ivy Bridge in 2012. I do not see high performance IGPs until the integration potential develops further (a shrinkage to 22 nm, for example). Even SB is far too hot (the TDP is too high) for mobile solutions, if you use all processor and GPU cores. Apple will use therefore only the lower end SB mobile processors.
 
Mattsasa said:
So... does this means intels GPUs will get better? I mean significantly better?! like in 3D Gaming?

what does this mean for the mbp coming this spring?
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The easy answer is nobody really knows right now.

But, Intel GPU's could get a little better, but they will most likely never be better than Nvidia's, unless they buy Nvidia.

The 15-17" MPB's will be fine this spring because they get their own GPU, it's the 13" size that get hosed, because the 13" MBP and MB's will get Intel Integrated GPU's, which are crap.
 
What does this mean for the 2011 mbp? I'm looking to get a 13" as my first mac after the update.
 
Um...no. This doesn't mean Intel will integrate Nvidia GPUs. It's just patent swapping. It means Intel can start integrated goodies that Nvidia has patented into their GPUs and Nvidia can use goodies that Intel has patented in their projects.

I'd be VERY surprised to see Intel package an Nvidia GPU on their dies.
 
Speedy2 said:
Seriously, learn to read.
They are NEVER going to incorporate an entire Nvidia GPU into their CPU (unless they decide to buy the entire company, of course). They are allowed to use some of their patents. Like "How to create a very thin transistor using an old McDonald's hamburger and lettuce from a Whopper" and stuff like that. You know those patents ...
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Yeah, right. Harder to integrate those 2 legally than Intel-nVidia.
 
Intel should just buy Nvidia... Nvidia's cards always worked better with intel processors/chipsets anyway.

Well.. Why buy the Horse when the milk is free?
 
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Sounds like the right thing to do. Intel should stick to what they do best, processors and let NVIDIA do the graphics. I would imagine Apple had a hand in this agreement between companies, its really best for both (and us).
 
Bytor65 said:
Ugh, don't quote ridiculous blog wanking. Intel isn't including NVidia GPUs.

They are likely using some NVidia patents. Vastly different thing.
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Yes, basically NVIDIA is taking the cash now and letting Intel continue to use its patents. I'm guessing that even the current underwhelming Intel IGPs use some NVIDIA technology.
 
Apple has been slow to adopt the latest Intel chips for their low end machines, possibly due to the poor GPU performance of Intel's existing integrated graphics chips.
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Macrumors keeps crobarring this in to every posting about this subject. It's always stated as a fact, or as an assumption, and it just makes it sound as if they're just making fanboy excuses so that Apple won't look so bad for still using core2 duos and charging premium price. (I mean if you're going to use Core 2 duos, at least lower the price.)
 
darkleemar said:
apple had a part in this I just know it. Seems to work out perfectly for them, doesn't it?
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This comment reminds me of a story I read the other day on a video game website, about a guy that was murdered. You see, he was going to meet with his friends or something, but didn't get to, so bored he played an arcade game. As he was playing, some guys came and beat him him to death. Since he just happened to be playing a video game it suddenly became a story on that site, as if the world revolved around video games. The world does not revolve around Apple. Steve Job is not a god, because he would have to be to dictate what NVida and Intel does in this situation that has gone I'm not sure how many years. The PC industry is huge.
 
The other scary thing is how some here think this new Intel CPU with an NVidia GPU (which will never happen) could possibly be done before the next Mac updates, as if all it takes is a snap of a finger.
 
inlovewithi said:
The other scary thing is how some here think this new Intel CPU with an NVidia GPU (which will never happen) could possibly be done before the next Mac updates, as if all it takes is a snap of a finger.
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Ars Technica is reporting that NVIDIA contacted them and corrected some things in their article about this, and that (according to Ars) "it looks like NVIDIA's stance is that there's already NVIDIA IP in the Sandy Bridge IGP, because Sandy Bridge's GPU infringes on NVIDIA patents. This wrinkle wasn't at all clear from the announcement or the call—at least, it wasn't clear to me."

(Or me.)

So: NVIDIA GPU in an Intel CPU? No. NVIDIA patents utilized in an Intel CPU? Apparently they could be done before the next Mac updates… 'cause they're already done. At least, in NVIDIA's opinion.

Source: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/01/intelnvidia-bombshell-look-for-nvidia-gpu-on-intel-processor-die.ars
 
Mindblown indeed. Stoked though. I guess Sandy Bridge has a fighting chance of not sucking (graphics-wise after all). That could be win all the way across the board for anything Apple that is either portable with an 11" or 13" screen or a Mac mini, let alone EVERY SINGLE FREAKIN' LOW END PeeCee ON THE MARKET!

Even if this doesn't mean that we'll be seeing NVIDIA IGPs alongside Intel CPUs on the same die, the notion that Intel is licensing NVIDIA's technology for their IGPs may be the first positive forecast I've ever heard about an Intel IGP, let alone the first period.
 
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KnightWRX said:
Exactly, the headline is misleading. Reading the ars piece, Intel is free to use nVidia patents and technology for its future IGPs, but it won't be nVidia that will be making them.

Bummer, the headline had me pumped up.

Also, Apple did not have a hand in this. Apple is not the only company in the industry. If they did, it would be included in the story. This was a logical conclusion to this lawsuit.
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Exactly, this is a MR editor getting exited and playing Jump The Shark. I do wonder if we'll see native CUDA execution on Intel GPUs though in the future, nor do I doubt that the announced DX11 support in Ivy Bridge is partially based on NVIDIA tech.

To go to "NVIDIA GPUs in Intel CPUs" though... ::shakes head:: Methinks someone had too many chocolate covered coffee beans while reading other tech blogs tonight....
 
seek3r said:
Exactly, this is a MR editor getting exited and playing Jump The Shark. I do wonder if we'll see native CUDA execution on Intel GPUs though in the future, nor do I doubt that the announced DX11 support in Ivy Bridge is partially based on NVIDIA tech.

To go to "NVIDIA GPUs in Intel CPUs" though... ::shakes head:: Methinks someone had too many chocolate covered coffee beans while reading other tech blogs tonight....
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True...though you gotta admit, simply the idea of it being true sounded pretty great, if not for a few seconds. I mean, imagine, a Core i5 in a 13" MacBook Pro that is still able to retain the IGP portion of the GeForce 320M, if not a newer successor; that would be too many flavors of awesome. Not to mention, you could have the same technology sprinkled onto the lower-end CPUs in the rest of the PC industry. A low-end Intel based laptop (with a Pentium Dual-Core or a Celeron) wouldn't have to suck anymore graphically!

Oh well, time to wake up, I suppose.
 
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Yebubbleman said:
True...though you gotta admit, simply the idea of it being true sounded pretty great, if not for a few seconds. I mean, imagine, a Core i5 in a 13" MacBook Pro that is still able to retain the IGP portion of the GeForce 320M, if not a newer successor; that would be too many flavors of awesome. Not to mention, the same technology sprinkled onto the lower-end CPUs in the rest of the PC industry. A low-end Intel based laptop (with a Pentium Dual-Core or a Celeron) wouldn't have to suck anymore graphically!

Oh well, time to wake up, I suppose.
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Heh yeah, I got real excited for a sec when I saw the headline! Guess I'll go to sleep now and dream of i7/tesla hybrids :p
 
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