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This is fantastic news. I can't wait for Ivy Bridge processors with Nvidia's integrated graphics cards embedded into the chips. I think with Nvidia's know how, they could get performance equivalent to the ATI 4650 out of an integrated solution, making discrete graphics unneeded for anything outside of hardcore gaming.

But the real good news here is that Nvidia can use Intel's cpu patents and know how to develop the CPGPU they are codeveloping with ARM.

Intel's CPU knowledge base + Nvidia's GPU knowledge base + ARM's energy efficiency should make for a truly outstanding CPGPU.
 
Alright boys - get your hardware engineers together - and crank out those hyper fast gpu designs - all 3 of you (aapl/nvda/intc) are only located within a few miles of each other - have your teams go out for drinks after work and talk over the new designs - asap

PS: since your going out drinking, all Apple employee are to leave the dam iPhone 5 proto at the office, we will not have any more of last years fiasco.:rolleyes:

Steve. :D
 
I suppose the big question is whether this can be sorted for the next MacBook and 13" MBP update or whether they will take a bit longer than usual?

Could be very good for the Air and Mac Mini ranges at the next updates too.
 
Yay! Now integrated GPUs will also fail as often as discreet ones!
 
"The cross-licensing agreement allows Intel to integrate NVIDIA technologies and those that are covered by our patents into their CPUs, such as Sandy Bridge, for example," said Jen-Hsuan. "And a cross-license allows us to build processors and take advantage of Intel patents for the types of processor we're building--Project Denver, Tegra, and the types of processors we're going to build in the future."

How did you get from cross-licensing patents to "Intel's to use Nvidia GPUs", I really can't quite figure out. Using someones technology is quite different than using someones products. Apple uses Nokia's smartphone technologies in Iphones doesn't mean that Apple uses Nokia's smartphones in Iphone. Not even if you put a question mark in the end.
 
Macrumors keeps crobarring this in to every posting about this subject. It's always stated as a fact, or as an assumption, and it just makes it sound as if they're just making fanboy excuses so that Apple won't look so bad for still using core2 duos and charging premium price. (I mean if you're going to use Core 2 duos, at least lower the price.)

Well, seeing how that is the reason that Steve Jobs gave and he represents Apple, what is wrong with stating it as fact ?

This is fantastic news. I can't wait for Ivy Bridge processors with Nvidia's integrated graphics cards embedded into the chips.

Yay! Now integrated GPUs will also fail as often as discreet ones!

There ya go, Intel IGP's will now be just as good in the Medium Graphics mode as well as the Low one... :eek:

;)

Ok, Arn, somebody, change the headline. People are really only reading it and not the story and not getting what this is about at all.


I suppose the big question is whether this can be sorted for the next MacBook and 13" MBP update or whether they will take a bit longer than usual?

According to the updates to the Ars article, Sandy Bridge already uses nVidia patents in the CPU/GPU technology. So what needed sorting out just did, Intel paid nVidia for the right to use it.

But seeing how the Sandy Bridge IGP is still sub-par compared to the offerings from nVidia/ATI, it seems it's going to take more than a few nVidia patents to bring Intel up to speed with their GPU offerings.

So while the headline would be awesome if it were true, we're still very far from it.
 
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This would be fantastic news all around if it were not for the recent DRM and Kill switch news regarding Sandybridge (and no doubt all future Intel CPU's).
 
Seriously, change the headline

The headline is not correct. You apparently didn't understand what you read on ars.

I'm not sure why I come to this site if the people writing it fail on understanding of technology (and basic reading comprehension). There enough other sites out there that report this kind of stuff correctly.
 
Yay! Now integrated GPUs will also fail as often as discreet ones!

haha seriously, only the defective ones are in apple computers (probably because of apples garbage thermal design).

ive never had a nvidia card fail on me EVER, even running their whole life over clocked to their limit.
 
...AMD integrated chipset functions in the CPU (memory controller, and so on). Chipset makers had a difficult time, because they were no longer able to sell their chipsets for AMD-based systems (similar to NVIDIA now). The same happens on Intels side (see Nehalem/Westmere and Sandy Bridge). So AMDs/Intels stories are very similar, if viewed from today. To continue this red line, Intel needed some really good IPs in the field in which NVIDIA works. So now we have AMD & ATI vs. Intel & NVIDIA. That seems to be a very natural and logical progress.

However, both manufacturers need to increase the tightness of the integrated circuits. Intel plans a 22 nm process, which should appear in Ivy Bridge in 2012. I do not see high performance IGPs until the integration potential develops further (a shrinkage to 22 nm, for example). Even SB is far too hot (the TDP is too high) for mobile solutions, if you use all processor and GPU cores. Apple will use therefore only the lower end SB mobile processors.

Exactly, this is a MR editor getting exited and playing Jump The Shark. I do wonder if we'll see native CUDA execution on Intel GPUs though in the future, nor do I doubt that the announced DX11 support in Ivy Bridge is partially based on NVIDIA tech....

Both observations are why I will be waiting to upgrade until Ivy Bridge is released at the end of 2011. I am really hoping for support for DX11, programmable shaders, and OpenCL in the GPU along with quad-core CPUs in the MBP, all of which should be available with the release of Ivy Bridge.


According to the updates to the Ars article, Sandy Bridge already uses nVidia patents in the CPU/GPU technology. So what needed sorting out just did, Intel paid nVidia for the right to use it.

But seeing how the Sandy Bridge IGP is still sub-par compared to the offerings from nVidia/ATI, it seems it's going to take more than a few nVidia patents to bring Intel up to speed with their GPU offerings.

So while the headline would be awesome if it were true, we're still very far from it.

I wonder if Apple is considering using ATI/AMD for the MB and Mini and Intel with NVidia discrete graphics for the MBPs and iMacs. Still, the 13" MBP poses a problem until Apple puts in discrete graphics for the entire MBP line. For the price premium, they should.
 
I am by no means an expert in the technicalities of GPUs/CPUs/chipsets. That being said, I don't trust Intel to do as good a job at integrating NVIDIA GPUs as NVIDIA would if NVIDIA produced the chipsets themselves.
 
haha seriously, only the defective ones are in apple computers (probably because of apples garbage thermal design).

ive never had a nvidia card fail on me EVER, even running their whole life over clocked to their limit.

My MX460 died. My 6800 Ultra survives (in a Quicksilver, no less!) One of my 7800 GTXs died. My 8800GTS/512 survives. One PCB of each of my 9800 GX2s died, although the two remaining PCBs are still functioning as a single card. My 9800 SE AIW hardmodded to a pro still works, as does my 2900 XT and the 4890 I'm using at the moment. Think I'll stick to ATI in future...
 
haha seriously, only the defective ones are in apple computers (probably because of apples garbage thermal design).

ive never had a nvidia card fail on me EVER, even running their whole life over clocked to their limit.

my 8800GTX (evga) died on me two years after purchase, running under factory specs and only about 4 hours a day. am not ready call it quits with nvidia just yet, but have definitely moved on from evga because of their poor customer support.
 
my 8800GTX (evga) died on me two years after purchase, running under factory specs and only about 4 hours a day. am not ready call it quits with nvidia just yet, but have definitely moved on from evga because of their poor customer support.
Shouldn't it still have been under warranty?
 
Change the headline.

The settlement was so Intel could continue to use technologies in Sandy Bridge which had been infringing on nVidia's patents.

There is nothing new in this agreement for Intel except to allow them to do what they have already been doing.
 
Change the headline.

The settlement was so Intel could continue to use technologies in Sandy Bridge which had been infringing on nVidia's patents.

There is nothing new in this agreement
for Intel except to allow them to do what they have already been doing.



which ones?
 
which ones?

If you want, you can hire a couple patent firms for millions of dollars in fees to argue about which patents apply. Only the courts will know which ones have the best arguments.

Or would you rather base multi-billion dollar products on what some random on macrumors thinks?
 
Change the headline.

The settlement was so Intel could continue to use technologies in Sandy Bridge which had been infringing on nVidia's patents.

There is nothing new in this agreement for Intel except to allow them to do what they have already been doing.

Do not assume that any of the moderators read posts - most of them have real lives.

If you want to send a message to the moderators to change the headline, go to the initial post (https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/11699602/) and "report" the error. (Click on the
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