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I also did ask other Mac related questions that I did not include in that convo.
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Intel Announces 45-nm Penryn Processors
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Whatever, whatever.
I also did ask other Mac related questions that I did not include in that convo.
Intel says Mac Pro-bound Harpertown Xeons set speed records
I'm wondering why this was not posted.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...bound_harpertown_xeons_set_speed_records.html
I'm wondering why this was not posted.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...bound_harpertown_xeons_set_speed_records.html
I posted that at 9:31am in the other MacPro threads. Guess I forgot this one.
Which was this...
Interesting article.... Most of what we know already, but still....
intel_says_mac_pro_bound_harpertown_xeons_set_speed_records
Here... #1856...
2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro
I had the wrong link and switched it to this
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...bound_harpertown_xeons_set_speed_records.html
LOLYea, and that's what I am talking about. lol
Introduction of the 8 cores in mid November to mid January is kind of vague isn't it?
I hope I'm not changing this thread... after all it's still about 45nm... right?
Keep it cool
The key to overclocking (within reason, of course) is that you need to keep the chip cool.
Alienware guarantees the stability of the system, but you are paying for the extra capacity heat sink and other cooling parts needed to keep the temperature of the CPU in the safe zone.
The key to overclocking (within reason, of course) is that you need to keep the chip cool.
Alienware guarantees the stability of the system, but you are paying for the extra capacity heat sink and other cooling parts needed to keep the temperature of the CPU in the safe zone.
Well, it should either happen before Thanksgiving (Nov. 22) or after New Year 2008 in January. No Mac products have been released in December for at least the past 5 years. (Doesn't mean they wouldn't change that trend, however...)
I'd like to see it this month, as I need a tax-deduction pretty badly right now (hehe). And I have $3000 ear-marked away for this new machine.
My Beige G3 needs to go!
The difference is Lenovo has been putting out updates to their Workstations every 4-5 months. The Mac Pro has *antiquated* video cards, and the standard RAM, Hardrive, etc configuration and PRICING is based on 12-16 months ago.
Apple needing to show their Professional customers that they are still valued has NOTHING to do with quickly announcing the use of Penryn chips, but in doing so it means that the rest of the system will be upgraded and newly priced.
It's a bit irrelevant for me as I'll be replacing the G5 as soon as the Mac Pro update appears. I was just illustrating the point that some limitations of older models cannot simply be resolved by replacing parts.
The brands I tried included USB 2.0 PCI cards by Sonnet, SIIG and Belkin. All were supposed to be Mac compatible. The Sonnet card in particular was advertised as being G5 compatible.
At the time, I came to the conclusion that the issue was due to the following combination:
1) PowerMac G5 with PCI-X slots
2) Apple 20" Cinema Display with USB 2.0 ports (aluminium enclosure)
3) Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
4) Third party USB 2.0 PCI card
The ports were unreliable with problems such as devices not being recognised after restarting the computer without unplugging and replugging them. It was around the time of 10.4.1 that I was having these issues.
I had an email from Sonnet Customer Services in June 2006 stating "We're hunting for a different supplier for our USB2 card as we continue to have reports of issues. So far, we haven't found a good replacement yet."
How does Intel's next slated chip, Nehalem, play into this current debate?
If Nehalem really is "the most significant new architectural changes as of today since the Pentium Pro back in 1995," (according to the wiki article linked above) and is supposed to be released in the second half of 2008, then wouldn't Apple wait until that chip to completely revamp the Mac Pro?
Of course they'll make major changes with Penryn, but why wait until MWSF when such a radical change is due in about a year? It seems like they would want to get penryn out asap to sell it as long as they can before nehalem is ready and do a blockbuster MWSF 09 release for nehalem.
If Nehalem really is "the most significant new architectural changes as of today since the Pentium Pro back in 1995," (according to the wiki article linked above) and is supposed to be released in the second half of 2008, then wouldn't Apple wait until that chip to completely revamp the Mac Pro?
Of course they'll make major changes with Penryn, but why wait until MWSF when such a radical change is due in about a year? It seems like they would want to get penryn out asap to sell it as long as they can before nehalem is ready and do a blockbuster MWSF 09 release for nehalem.
The way I see it is that comparing the 65nm to 45nm is a big jump as oppose to comparing 45nm to 35nm. There will be a boost in speed but I don't think it will be significant.
What you may see with the 35nm technology is probably higher clock speed up to about 6ghz which I think will come out much later maybe in 2009
Regardless of what you think, if nobody else is shipping these before december or january, it may be unrealistic to expect apple to ship them this week. If the chips were available in quantity now, wouldn't someone be shipping them now?
They may be selling them now, but they're not shipping them now. If you click on "ship date" they're saying December 28.
Until they actually ship, apple isn't "behind" at all.
And once again, I have to agree with all those in favor of a midtower (with the core 2 instead of xeon, they have quads of those now).
Exactly. This also doesn't discount the chance of an announcement in December or January, before MWSF. Hell, we might even get one of the planned December-release graphics cards if it takes that long.
Though, it's too bad Apple continues to charge what they do for the current Mac Pros, as I know some businesses need to buy them before year's end. I don't think "Apple is just being Apple" is a valid excuse anymore. If they want to be a serious competitor, their prices need to reflect the technology.
Which is why they might surprise us with a new MacPro tomorrow since they know their prices suck at the moment.
Trick is, for a lot of work I am finding one Core2 Extreme quad-core to be faster then two dual-core Xeons.
I am not sure Apple would want to release a Core2Extreme Quad tower as it might eat deeply into dual-socket Mac Pro sales.
And if Apple bought up the processors to have exclusive rights in shipping tomorrow?
That would be very cool. But if it doesn't happen, it's disingenuous to describe apple as being "behind" when the earliest PC ship dates are a month or more off.
Apple doesn't like being behind either. They want to be the best of the best. And currently, with this line...
"Clovertown processors — the fastest Quad-Core Intel Xeon available"
They're not. Well, after December something they won't be the fastest "available." So hopefully Apple bought up the first batch to release this week.
You obviously missed the news a few weeks ago that stated that Apple has supposedly got first dibs on all these processors, putting other system builders in a predicament where they would only be able to produce initial orders only. Apple allegedly has got the first lot of these new processors spoken for. Therefore, it would be quite realistic for them to announce and ship new Mac Pros this week.
Wait ignore what I said, didn't realize you said, "not" in the above statement. So therefore I deleted what I responded to you with. Wish I could just delete my response right now too.