Somebody has them. Even the 2.80 is faster per clock than the Clovertown which is available now.
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Somebody has them. Even the 2.80 is faster per clock than the Clovertown which is available now.
I don't know if Apple is treating this as a holiday. I would say no. But I am not sure. I think we will see it tomorrow.
News?
You mean those rumours that someone heard from a friend in Tokyo who heard from his cousin in Taiwan whose girl friend's brother in China heard that Apple was buying all the 3.2 GHz Harpertowns?
You mean those rumours that someone heard from a friend in Tokyo who heard from his cousin in Taiwan whose girl friend's brother in China heard that Apple was buying all the 3.2 GHz Harpertowns?
I don't see a source for your little story linking all the way to China. If you want to debunk it do it with facts not sarcastic stories.
Hmmm - new processors have been officially released by Intel (not IBM or Moto), but nobody can ship a system with them until the end of December? Who has all these newly released chips, then? Is Intel just sampling them at this time, or does someone have an exclusive for the first few batches? I guess we'll find out before the end of the month, and possibly tomorrow...
Pray tell, where do you find the "facts" to debunk an unsubstantiated rumour?
I think that my little "Chinese parody" makes as much sense as the hummingbirds.
And, by the way, if you were versed in ornithology you would know that hummingbirds are a New World species. They are only found in the Americas - no hummingbirds live in the wild in Europe, Asia, or Japan.
http://www.defenders.org/wildlife_and_habitat/wildlife/hummingbirds.php
I don't need to debunk a groundless rumour, all I need to do is to call it into question.
And wouldn't a story that starts with "hummingbirds in Tokyo" immediately make you wonder?
Not to mention the obvious error that "[Apple] covets both the Yorkfield Extreme for its mainstream boxes" is absurd - Apple's "mainstream box" is the mythical (and sorely needed) mini-tower. All of Apples "mainstream boxes" use laptop components - not the desktop quad Yorkfield.
A rumour that is so obviously nonsense on several levels is accepted as fact by the fanbois. Tsk-tsk....
We shall see quite soon. We shall SEE.
By the way, the Inq. has been right on with a lot of things over the last year, a lot of things. And when they speak of "hummingbirds" I am sure you must know that means snitches who aren't supposed to say anything to anyone. Given Apple's rampant fascination with secrecy it doesn't surprise me that the Inquirer would quill up such a colorful statement to say "Someone who isn't supposed to talk about this did and told us...."
Displays
Yes I am excited for the Mac Pro update but I really really want new Cinema Displays, thinner, with built in iSight and remote, maybe a black border like the iMac, and enhanced specs etc.
If they don't announce those with the Mac Pro I am going to be very disappointed
Yes I am excited for the Mac Pro update but I really really want new Cinema Displays, thinner, with built in iSight and remote, maybe a black border like the iMac, and enhanced specs etc.
If they don't announce those with the Mac Pro I am going to be very disappointed
If you want to call into question the burden of proving it wrong is on you. I don't accept it as fact, but it is plausible.
I also liked how you managed to skip on the part where it says "and Harpertown Xeons for the next Mac Pro." Further, it might not be an error. A mythical box could be coming.
As Wild-Bill says - "We shall see quite soon. We shall SEE."
If the hummingbirds are right, by this time next week we'll be looking at Penryn Mac Pro unboxing videos.
If the hummingbirds are in fact a new world species, next week we'll be wondering (still) if we'll see new Mac Pros at MWSF'08...
I don't believe the hummingbirds, but within a week we'll know if I'm wrong.
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We're all reading tea leaves here, nobody has any facts....
I suppose that all depends on what sort of update it is. If it's just an update to the components - Mother Board, CPU & Video Card, then there's no reason for a major announcement. The quiet change to the Apple Store website would be standard practice for this sort of an upgrade. (As with recent MacBook and MacBook Pro updates)
If, on the other hand, they go for changing the case (which frankly, I don't see why so many people are desperate for it - it seems fine to me) then they'll probably do a media event, like they did for the updated iMac. Personally, I hope that's not the case, because if it is, we won't be seeing updated Mac Pros this week - instead just a cryptic invite to an Apple media event that we all guess well ahead of time what it's for - and that would mean yet another week of waiting.
Nehalem will first ship in 45nm. The 32nm shrink of Nehalem isn't till 2009. The 45nm Nehalem should, if Intel is right, be a big step up from the 45nm Penryn.
In order to keep the system stable, it just needs to be kept cool. Alienware has installed a liquid cooling system to that effect - "All ALX P2 chassis are backed with chrome chassis accents and come standard with Alienware Liquid Cooling." (also worth noting is the "Chassis Comparison" on the side of that web-page, with the silhouette of "Competitor's Newest Entry" clearly being a Mac Pro
- Alienware obviously sees them as gaming machines, even if certain members of the MacRumors community don't...). Liquid cooling is fairly common practice for over-clocking, and I'm sure it's perfectly safe, but frankly, I've never been comfortable with the idea of water inside my computer, though of course the old G5's had liquid cooling as well.I think this is the clue to why we will never see an Apple mini tower. The only people who really want it are gamers, whose choice is currently:
buy an iMac, which is OK for current games, just be sure to sell it and buy a new one every time they get upgraded - or - drop a hefty stack of bills on a Mac Pro, and don't worry about it for a few years.
I don't think the absence of a mini tower is as simple as "it would cannibalise sales of the Mac Pro or iMac" as most people suggest - because as long as they're making profits on it, what does it matter which system Apple sells to you? Instead, it's that they'll be selling a system which doesn't need replacing as often as the iMac, but doesn't bring in as much cash as a Mac Pro - the end result being less cash for Apple - though, at the same time, it could increase sales and market share, which would increase earnings overall. Tricky stuff, no?
And the "Apple has obviously worked out that it's not a good idea" argument doesn't wash with me. Apple is a company, and any company - no matter how innovative and exciting - tends to get comfortable doing what it's doing - and it usually takes a significant upsetting force to change them. Apple itself, after all, nearly went bankrupt before it brought back Steve Jobs and initiated the current "Golden Age" of iMacs, OS X, iPods and Intel Chips. And as it was (if I recall correctly) Steve Jobs who got rid of the mid-range Mac in favour of the iMacs and PowerMacs delineation, do you really imagine that the transition to Intel is sufficient to make him rethink this decision? He doesn't seem like the sort of person that second-guesses, to me.
The other reason, of course, could be a design one. If Apple started selling a mini-tower, regular consumers (i.e. non-gamers) who are actually perfectly serviced by an iMac might choose to buy the tower instead. Apple obviously takes great pride in their designs, and the idea of people who might buy their beautiful all-in-one iMac moving to a messy tower & screen setup for no good reason might just fill them with such revulsion that they refuse to even contemplate it - an absurd business position? Of course. Strange for Apple? Well...
If the Mac os is avavliable on the standard PC...
I'll tell you this. I have been working on macs professionally for 15 years and still do, but the moment the apple OS is available on a standard PC I switch!
If you can get the same results more cheaply then why stay with apple. They have already lost credibility with there range of monitors.... old outdated spec for the top price, honestly... the whole apple ethos is refine, re-evaluate and innovate... Mac users should do the same, times change and we need to as well, if the PC world offers a better product then only a stagnating fool will remain loyal to a product that is actually inferior in it's function.
I am prepared to sacrifice aesthetics for function if the price is right.
I'll tell you this. I have been working on macs professionally for 15 years and still do, but the moment the apple OS is available on a standard PC I switch!
If you can get the same results more cheaply then why stay with apple. They have already lost credibility with there range of monitors.... old outdated spec for the top price, honestly... the whole apple ethos is refine, re-evaluate and innovate... Mac users should do the same, times change and we need to as well, if the PC world offers a better product then only a stagnating fool will remain loyal to a product that is actually inferior in it's function.
I am prepared to sacrifice aesthetics for function if the price is right.
I really don't think many people were mad at Apple for the speed of the Mac Pro...it the vastly outdated graphics cards, the 1 gig of Ram, and the small hard drive as a standard that is over a year old now...Apple really should have updated some of this when they released the option to add the 8-Core Clovertown chip.
I just dropped $2600 on a iMac, and I am glad I did, but it is insulting that the 24" doesn't come standard with 2 gigs of Ram. I can't imagine Apple not bumping it to at least 2 since the Macbook Pro's are at 2...
The UK Store would be down by now if any updates were coming. So, not today.
It's a good job you are all really patient and are happy to wait
The UK Store would be down by now if any updates were coming. So, not today.
It's a good job you are all really patient and are happy to wait
I'm not sure what makes me more sick... my old computer or having to come here to check out the rumors every day
The UK Store would be down by now if any updates were coming. So, not today.
It's a good job you are all really patient and are happy to wait
i guess you're right. i was just curious though, really.