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Intel Announces 8th-Generation Whiskey Lake and Amber Lake Processors Suitable for MacBook and MacBook Air
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nah I think people are extending the upgrade cycle because most everything people used to use a laptop for is now satisfied by a smartphone and/or tablets, which have much more frequent upgrade cycles.
so people are hanging on to their computers longer because they are continuously upgrading their phones, which are more and more taking over the tasks they used to do on their home computers. the pc is a mature product class.
The MacBook Air is dead, long live the MacBook mini - the new "switcher Mac" hence its new low cost.
If crowdsourcing can give us this thing, then I can't wait to see what Apple is going to do.
If crowdsourcing can give us this thing, then I can't wait to see what Apple is going to do.
Whiskey because you'll need a lot to slow you down to the processor speed in your MacBooks.
Actually, it isn't so bad. You can't expect MacBooks and such portable to be MacBook Pros.
Actually, it isn't so bad. You can't expect MacBooks and such portable to be MacBook Pros.
disagree... the pc is considered mature only because of the lack of significant advances in the cpu from generation to generation. smartphone upgrades are frequent because they are still undergoing significant performance and power gains every year mostly due to Apple pushing the processor forward aggressively.
5 years is a more realistic replacement cycle for the average Joe out there. I mean, who (other than hardcore MR fans) would upgrade their computer every year?
I doubt it. Now everyone knows the impact of these vulnerabilities so I'm sure there are National Security letters and FISA court orders in place to make sure the vulnerabilities are not released next time.
I disagree. I think it's because software workflows can't take advantage of the faster processors. Unless you're doing serious workstation class work, there's not much benefit. Most people use their laptops for email, web, word processing and spreadsheets. Most workflows are I/O limited-- the network interface in some cases and keyboard entry in most.
The biggest advance in recent years for most people was the SSD, not the processor. The fact that application load times made everyone happier with their machine just goes to show how little they were pushing the CPU to begin with.
Yes, there are games, and video production, and developers with source bases that take 15min to incrementally compile, but those are niche, not the mass market. Even music synthesis and photography can get by with rather average hardware these days.
fair. i just think a lot of the stuff you used to do on desktop/laptop computers can now be achieved in a more convenient way by way of the phone form factor.
and now phones are also maturing, the upgrade cycles are getting longer. I bet you can keep an iphone for 3 years now and be totally ok.
I think that applies to most of of us. 9yr HP desktop running win10 still going strong. As long as she is still fast, does what she needs and runs full Offoce the wife is happy. I still use a 6yr old Toshiba Satelite pro lappy
More and more people are doing more intense things with computers these days. As a software developer I am always waiting on the CPU for one reason or another and the software is already using all cores and not waiting on IO. If the processor speed doubled I would see a halving of wait times and it would be worth the upgrade.
Apple will only use them if they'll attach to a welded-in non-upgradeable component motherboard.
Thanks Timmy.
Thanks Timmy.
This would be an awesome MBA with a balls out redesign.
The 8550u is already a sweet chip and when tuned can keep up with the 7700hq
Would rather purchase their over the 13” MBP because the benefits of the 28w vs 15w is not much in the grand scheme of things.
Would also make a great eGPU machine when gaming.
The 8550u is already a sweet chip and when tuned can keep up with the 7700hq
Would rather purchase their over the 13” MBP because the benefits of the 28w vs 15w is not much in the grand scheme of things.
Would also make a great eGPU machine when gaming.
oh sorry. I thought she just jumped to get serious when she realized the professor was staring at her
It's all about perception of course. bah. I prefer your take on it.
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LMAO! Man it's not the "techno" I grew up listening to or that evolved into Tech House ... it's some garbage form of mainstream EDM junk these days. Or worse. I've just gotten old and learned to tune it out.
Thank you for bringing this up!!! I don't see articles about this anywhere (and I rarely visit extremetech) and I know in my personal case, my 2014 iMac (4 cores, i7, 24GB RAM) has been crippled by the security updates. It is soooo slow and lags, web browsing heavy pages stutters, I have to periodically just shut down all of my programs and relaunch them. I hate Intel at this point. I work off of this computer and my day proceeds measurably slower in every task I undertake each day.
I do wish we would see some articles about this processor fiasco HERE on MacRumors.
I'm not doubting that you'd benefit from a faster machine, but I don't think that what you're saying is true in the broader sense. I think more and more people are doing more and more work in their browsers. As I said:
Do you think there are more installed instances of Xcode or Word?
I do my share of big compiles and long simulations, too. I just don't think that's the bulk of the PC business. Even for those with heavy jobs, most are pushed to dedicated machines or now to clusters or AWS instances so they can stay productive locally.
I think for the same reason Intel couldn't sell Broadwell desktop CPUs with Iris Pro graphics (Windows users obvious just buy a graphics card, something which Mac users couldn't do) and the Broadwell Iris Pro mobile option didn't prove popular either - Apple didn't use the Skylake model with Iris Pro 580 Graphics that ended up in the Skull Canyon and instead opted for CPU+GPU in their 2016 MacBook Pros.
The three remaining model numbers in the recent Eurasian listing are A1931, A1932 and A1988 (with the already revealed MacBook Pros at A1989 and A1990 - MacBook Pro 13" and 15" models). It implies the bottom 2 to be lower end models - MacBooks? - while A1988 would still appear to correlate with the non touch bar MacBook Pro (which comes with 2 TB3 ports) despite there being no suitable 15w CPU with Iris Graphics.
It might be that this model would get Thunderbolt ports while the proposed 13" MacBook successor to the MBA might make do with 4 USB-C gen 2 10Mb/s ports which wouldn't be a terrible thing once you got over the need for dongles.
Only thing is then you're stuck with potentially confusing 13" lineup - MacBook, MacBook Pro with no touch bar, and MacBook Pro with touch bar. This could be a problem if they all look similar at a glance which is why I have suggested a 15" MacBook - with no touch bar.
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Anytime that Intel uses the phrase "compared to an x-year old PC", it means that the performance improvement of the new chip over their last chip is just not as much as anyone was hoping.
Making super complex chips with circuits on 7-10-14 nanometer size is enormously difficult.
Of course it was ridiculous for Intel and the tech media to invent "Moore's Law" (as if it was a law of physics, like gravity, speed of light, etc). There is no currently known* way for chips to be making that much continuing increase every year forever.
So in order to maintain the CPU Improvement Hype (TM), Intel must use a phrase which states multiple whole number improvements - 2 times, etc.
Then we careless clueless consumers will just keep that in our mind: 'oh yeah, the new chip is Two Times Better', and forget that it was only in comparison to 5 years back tech.
* yes, one can hope for a quantum leap in tech/design/computing. And surely something new will come along... but not likely on anyone's predicted schedule.
[doublepost=1535505734][/doublepost]As a bit of further info on today's Kaby Lake chips re-dubbed as Whiskey Lake, some articles. Interesting reading, especially the Aug 2017 article which discusses the confusion of Intel's chip naming and releases (and architecture base).
Intel Whiskey Lake and Amber Lake Revealed: What You Need to Know
By Phillip Tracy
August 28, 2018 04:00 pm
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/intel-whiskey-lake-amber-lake-release-date-specs
Intel's 8th Gen Core Branding Will Confuse the Masses
By Andrew E. Freedman
August 20, 2017 11:01 pm
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/intel-8th-gen-core-kaby-lake-coffee-lake-cannon-lake
Intel launches Whiskey and Amber Lakes: Kaby Lake with better Wi-Fi, USB
Intel upgrades the integrated chipset, but the rest of the processor is the same.
Peter Bright - 8/28/2018, 3:10 PM
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...-amber-lakes-kaby-lake-with-better-wi-fi-usb/
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Doubling speed every other year? That’s just not going to happen with x86. I think Intel is fortunate to get 10-15% improvement through each “tick”. The time for Intel to make a shift to RISC has come and gone many tines and Intel just keeps plugging away, except they might really be coming to the end of the road. I think Apple figured that out and that’s why they are looking to move to their own in-house designed CPUs. No, Apple cannot match a 10-Core Xeon, but how much longer will it take for them to surpass every Core i-Series CPU they currently use?