Q4, not happening for the 13", now that it has broadwell, there is absolutely no hurry to update.
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Intel Announces New Quad-Core Broadwell Processors Appropriate for 15-Inch MacBook Pro
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Because we are not talking about a major redesign. Why else did they do it for the 13"?
...and the current gen is broadwell until you can actually purchase a computer with skylake. Otherwise, its called vaporware.
These processors are drop-in replacements for Haswell, so another update before Skylake is a possibility. Skylake on the other hand requires a motherboard redesign.
This is rather bad news for anyone wanting the latest and greatest.
This is rather bad news for anyone wanting the latest and greatest.
There is no way Intel is going to release Skylake this year especially when Broadwell isn't even shipping until July-August. Skylake is 100% on target for 2016. Intel has minimal competition in their respective field so I'm assuming they will want to get max value for Broadwell and Apple will adopt Skylake at WWDC 2016, hence their small updated release 2 weeks ago.
With Broadwell, yes, but more likely with the 65W i7-5775C and i5-5675C chips.. they were released also today. They are as fast as 84W Haswell chips found in iMac's up to 5k retina (except iGPU is a lot faster in Broadwell).
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9320/intel-broadwell-review-i7-5775c-i5-5765c
So not just 21,5" but the whole iMac line could benefit... it would give thermal room for the 5k, which runs now pretty hot.
I think we'll see 21,5" Retina 4k iMac very soon. With Broadwell.
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Broadwell? July?... I want to doubt Apple would release another updated 15" in 2 months time. That just is not Apple like, I'm thinking they'll wait for Skylake. Is it just me or does Intel seem desperate to offload their Broadwell to Apple, Dell, and co? I mean hasn't Intel learned that it's too little too late for Broadwell at this point? I mean I would have liked Broadwell in the last refresh (a week ago,) but EHHH... so frustrating. I hope Apple and all the tech companies are as ticked off at Intel as I am.
Suck it Intel. (suck my fungus covered toe i mean.)
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What do you mean offload their Broadwell? Why is it too late? You think they should just throw all this to the garbage, after having worked and spent millions (if not billions) of $ on it? Besides, even if Skylake is to be available later this year, it will not render Broadwell totally obsolete and irrelevant overnight. Furthermore, I bet proper new designs of products with Skylake will appear at CES 2016 (for PCs) so if Skylake does appear, if at all, in products in late 2015, it's gonna half-baked updates using existing designs.
As for Apple, Macbook Pro (with model identifier MacBookPro13) with Skylake will most likely appear early 2016. I think Apple's initial plan was to update both MBP 13 and 15 to Broadwell at the same time, spend a year with Broadwell (as they have historically been doing with an architecture) and then update to Skylake in 2016; but, as we all know, that was not possible due to Intel's delay. But Apple will not (and probably cannot) change their timetable because of that -- they will not introduce products with Skylake in later 2015 instead of early/mid 2016. My bet is a silent update of the MBP 15 to Broadwell in the fall and reveal new designs of both the MBP 13 and 15 in early 2016.
I'm glad I didn't jump in on the current refresh. Happy to wait it out for Skylake. It's going to be awesome!
It's weird... I was thinking to get the refreshed MBP 15", 'cause the new one with Skylake will not be available very soon (2016, not before); also, because I'm scared that the new one will be like the new Macbook with the new keyboard (that I don't like) and less connections.. But now, who knows if Apple will not do a silent update? Hmm...
It would also mean the "Pro" laptops would get the horrible new flat keyboard, which would make them unusable for actual work.
This, may be the very sad truth of the situation. Apple has proven they'll sactrafice almost any other features in the manical quest for more thinness
Privileged client can't make Intel magically conjure up millions of these processors but yeah, I guess you know better than Apple (a provileged client) about Intel's products availability.
Looks like an okay processor for the laptop but an excellent choice for the now castrated Mac Mini. Even the lowest end of these processors would be a welcome/relief for those of us who prefer to buy a headless computer other than the nMP.
What I really wish is that Apple would split off their product lines into two: The 'Thin' line, and the 'Performance' line.
THIN line: Current products, always trying to make them thinner. Features, power and battery life all second fiddle to the thinness.
PERFORMANCE line: Same form factor as 2011 Macbook Pro's (or simillar) with incredible performance, great battery life, upgradeable with industry stand ram and SSD's, etc.
Of course, that will never happen. But a boy can dream cant he?
They're not going to ditch discrete GPUs considering their flagship pro app, Final Cut Pro X, is designed with GPU performance in mind and has a major influence on MBP sales.
I know a lot of people like to think Apple has forgotten their pro users because they also make non-pro products like the new MacBook, but that simply isn't the case. If it were they'd fold up their pro app division instead of spending resources on reinventing those apps like they did just a few years back, and then been aggressively updating those reinvented apps ever since -- with an emphasis on GPU-enabled performance.
I agree. But 13" Skylake chips are coming before 15" chips, so Apple could update 13" to Skylake and still update the 15" too. As opposed to updating only the 13" and leaving the 15" untouched.
Shortest period between updates was during the PowerPC to Intel switch, which was roughly 3 months
A few examples:
- Last iMac G5 was released Oct. 12, 2005. Intel iMac to replace it came 3 months later on Jan. 10, 2006.
- Last pro laptop (Aluminum PowerBook G4) was released in mid Oct. 2005. The new pro laptop (MacBook Pro) with Intel processor replaced it 3 months later on Jan. 10, 2006.
- Last Mac mini with G4 processor was released on Sept 27, 2005. Intel-based Mac mini that replaced it came out early Jan 2006... roughly 3 months later.
I would say say then that as these are available in the next 1 to 2 months and Apple hasn't waited, that they will be skipping broad well and wait for sky lake which is the same thing to do really, interesting to see how expensive that top model is, not cheap.
This, plus who knows what quantity they could be available in by then anyway, it's perfectly reasonable to surmise that it might be 3-6 months after announcement of the part for enough of them to be available to meet Apple's needs at the volume discounted price they wish to spend.
Not the entry model. And the article says it could be in desktop computers as well.
Apple must have known all year that Intel had not cancelled these Broadwell parts. So, given that Apple had complete information, I'm left wondering why Apple didn't release the mid-2015 15" MBP back in March together with the 13" MBP. My only theory is that perhaps Apple were concerned about how fast they could ramp up production of the Force Trackpad. Any other theories?
I would not be surprised to see another update in September/October with the 13" MBP getting Skylake or the 15" MBP getting Broadwell or both.
I would not be surprised to see another update in September/October with the 13" MBP getting Skylake or the 15" MBP getting Broadwell or both.
I have a one week old mid-2015 15" 2.8GHz MBP without the discrete GPU and the performance is awesome driving two 4K displays. I'm so glad I didn't waste any money on an unneeded discrete GPU.
Those are the prices for quantity 1000. Apple buy these by the million and pay prices that have nothing at all to do with these quoted list prices. I would not assume that the price paid by Apple, Dell, HP etc. are the same for the 2.5 and 2.7GHz chips.
Because those had been around for a year or more. The last update for these were in the fall of the respective year and the new design showed up early in the following year.
And that's what's gonna happen with Skylake: Releasing early 2016, following the silent update of MBP15 to Broadwell in the previous fall. (Apple's initial plan was to spend roughly a year with Broadwell, as it has generally been the case with other processors, but the Intel delay made that impossible for the MBP15.)
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What about the 13"? Why they keep calling it MacBook PRO but keep using only dual core processors?
TDP? come on! Apple can do better! If it's PRO it should have all the PRO features.
Just because I prefer the 13" it means I can't have all the power I need?
TDP? come on! Apple can do better! If it's PRO it should have all the PRO features.
Just because I prefer the 13" it means I can't have all the power I need?