So, the one thing I can think of is if the next version of Cinema Displays is retina, they'll need the additional bandwidth of TB to push the required resolution....
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Intel Announces Next Version of Thunderbolt With 20Gbps Throughput Coming in 2014
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They aren't competing products, "mainstream" are well served with usb most of the time. Why should everything be made with the lowest common denominator in mind.
It took me this long to finally afford a FW800 hard disk drive. Now tell me the purpose of the first lightning bolt port was for? For sure it took 2 years and yet that port has cobwebs in it now.
I love how they make technology obsolete! Just make it so expensive no one can afford to use it!
I love how they make technology obsolete! Just make it so expensive no one can afford to use it!
Oh boo hoo. The first products using this tech heavily is all of those involved with NAB.
Thanks for beta testing all the current Macs. I'll be getting the new Macs with fixed Retina display and Thunderbolt 2.0 with EGPUs. 
You can get FW800 external cases from $50 - $120.
Thunderbolt announcements today:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-3132_7...erbolt-storage-performance-meets-flexibility/
Lacie even got off it's duff:
http://www.lacie.com/technologies/technology.htm?id=10039
3TB: Starts at $299.
http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10600
4TB: Starts at $399
Diskless to slap in your own drive: $199
http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10574
How much closer does this bring us to full PCIe 16x GPUs? I barely remember my specs, but isn't PCIe 2.0 around 2GTs a second max? That would mean this new rev of Thunderbolt would actually offer up more bandwidth until 3.0 comes out, right?
edit: just checked out the thread title. That's 20Gbps with a little b. Damn teasing crap blah.
edit: just checked out the thread title. That's 20Gbps with a little b. Damn teasing crap blah.
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Damnit Apple, the major usage for TB is external GPU's - the current TB protocol is fast enough to run brand new cards at at least 80%+ of their full speed (which is WAY better than any current apple laptops), and with this I'm sure it would be even more feasible. The problem? Apple won't make the necessary OS changes / driver updates needed (you can technically put a graphicscard in a TB-connected enclosure, but it won't work in OS X).
I was sure we'd see this within months of TB connectors coming on Macs, but they continue to disappoint me. I'm still imagining hooking up my Air to a TB-display and some sort of external GPU for gaming/hardcore work at home, while being able to use it for light work/travel during the day. I guess they don't do it just because it would make the iMac a lot harder to sell
I was sure we'd see this within months of TB connectors coming on Macs, but they continue to disappoint me
. I'm still imagining hooking up my Air to a TB-display and some sort of external GPU for gaming/hardcore work at home, while being able to use it for light work/travel during the day. I guess they don't do it just because it would make the iMac a lot harder to sell 
Sweet, an upgraded cable for a port that you really can't use with anything yet. Except for a couple HDD's and a big monitor from Apple, all of which are insanely expensive.
How about focusing on making this a standard thing instead of upgrading something we STILL don't have much use for?
How about focusing on making this a standard thing instead of upgrading something we STILL don't have much use for?
I'd love to use TB on my new iMac but it's just too expensive compared to USB3 and only twice as fast. Fine for moving large media files and running external displays but really they need to address the cost issues to try and compete with USB3 which on a PC can run multi monitors if needed.
Probably.
Thunderbroke sales will plummet from 10,000's of units per month
to 100s of units per month when the news of the upgrade disseminates.
What peripheral maker doesn't want to be part of this going down in flames flying circus?
Intel is royally screwing the pooch on this.
Ermm... new MacPro? where? did I miss a launch?..
and... Tbolt in the "current" MacPro? did I miss something?
I think so, I was waiting for the next upgrade because it would be so cool to have the fastest "consumer" level external connector that I would never use!
Seriously, I think that. It so fast but so useless.
Probably not. Since the USB committee had already announced USB 3.0++ (or whatever the incremental tagline will be for the 10Gbps update. )
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6647/...ment-demos-power-delivery-and-display-driving
[ I think Intel is smoking something if they think most cables folks have currently bought are mostly going to test out as suitable for 10Gbps. Carefully selected samples from a chop shop factory maybe but the general product? No. ]
This probably could have waited till Fall IDF which would have only been a 4-7 months wait, but it is a mind share and roadmap play.
Besides they have the immediately upcoming Redwood Ridge solutions coming now, that can be sold now. It is doubtful TB v2.0 is going to be as inexpensive as TB v1.0 when it does come. Devices which are price sensitive will likely stay with the cheaper to deploy v1.0 for a while till v2.0 controllers/cables/etc get to till there second generation. In other words it will be just like most new standards. Year 1 a small handfull of bleeding edge adopters and products that are priced higher. Year 2, real potential for widespread adoption.
That story broke at end of 2012
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1517410/
Sumitomo Electric Starts Selling cable at Amazon
http://global-sei.com/news/press/13/prs004_s.html
[ Only it just happens to be Amazon JP. Technically it is being sold. ]
Sumitmoto demoing at NAB
http://global-sei.com/news/press/13/prs004_s.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sumitomo-electric-showcase-thunderbolt-cables-170000254.html
I suspect anyone who can arrange to order direct from them can get them. Just big your big checkbook. $500-900 cables.
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The current version of Cinema Display is Retina. At a reasonable 20-24" viewing distance the 27" models are Retina. (resolution wise... not as euphemism for pixel doubling. ) .
It is a 21.5 model that would need one of the 4K resolutions ( 4K Ultra HD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution#Resolutions_of_common_formats ) to be Retina level resolution at substantially closer distances.
Or just don't push your nose up close to the display.
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If look in the article that is really only supporting DP v1.2 when the whole port is put into "DP compatiblty" mode. If you plug a DP 1.2 monitor directly into the port (or a DP v1.2 expander box ) you can get straight by-pass v1.2 out.
On the TB network it is still 1.1a. (e.g., any updates TB display is still 1.1a and anything end-capping a TB device daisy chain is is also likely 1.1a. )
Not just Broadwell, if it isn't just internal TB bandwidth they'll need some PCI-e v3.0 connectivity too. Broadwell and/or associated chipset will need to deliver more v3.0 lanes.
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Thunderbolt docking stations yes. Hubs (as TB port multipliers ) probably not. It is a daisy chain network. Extremely likely to stay that way for technical reasons. What should get more prevelent is more systems with two TB ports, although for very small computers it will probably stay at one port.
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Thunderbolt is not a replacement for USB 3.0.
Besides the USB 3.0 ports are provided by the core chipset. Apple and eventually you are buying the functionality if just get a core set of Intel chips. Not running at least 1-2 USB ports out is more than a little silly.
The somewhat obnoxious for some design move would be to move to two TB ports on the MBA and force it back to one USB socket. I doubt they'll do that because the "integrated TB , IOHub , GPU , and CPU product that Intel is tracking on is targeted at MBA like boxes where the SoC is located relatively close to the edge of the box because the whole box is small.
They could add a 3rd TB port and drop USB completely.
There are not TB controllers with support for more than 2 ports. There likely aren't going to be one either. Daisy chaining is oriented to two ports. The switching logic and latency is much simpler so don't need quite so expensive a switch inside of the TB controller.
Mapping the USB need for hubs onto TB is mapping wrong solution onto wrong technology.