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Intel Announces Next Version of Thunderbolt With 20Gbps Throughput Coming in 2014
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even though nothing besides ram can read/write at 20gbps (but who knows how fast ssds will be in 2014), it is still pretty damn cool how fast it is.
Wait until Thunderbold 3, 30GbpsPff.. this is just a way of sucking money for proprietary cr*p, when they could just go with the USB standard, heck even help improve it. USB3 is to be updated this year to 10Gbps speeds... I bet they could go to 20Gbps until 2014.
There was a time when Apple rushed to get the newest standards, like the USB and the Display Port, now they are just rushing for a closed system nobody wants to use.
What a dumb statement. It's not proprietary or closed designed by intel and apple and all welcome to use.
USB is the same you have to pay for every use.
USB is not daisychainable. Can't manage those speeds over longer distances.
This is for pro users, 4k video transferral etc.
Nothing wrong with USB it's just not as good.
Display port is the same connector and thunderbolt is based on the tech.
Oh and this backwards compatible as people seem to be missing.
I always liked te idea of an external video card enclosure running on thunderbolt. This would allow a person to play even the craziest of games on something like a MacBook Air. Kind of shocking to see the "next standard" launching already before the first gen ever really got affordable though.
We have a thunderbolt rig hot swapping media drives for some of our smaller stuff. It's still too pricey for our full run but when the prices come down we'll expand
I just watched the video clip there, and the two daisy chained SSDs hit 1259 MB/s while ALSO driving two daisy-chained 2560x1440 displays... That's definitely more than Anand managed over a single host port.
In fact it's 11.6 Gbit/s of DisplayPort data (output via DP 1.2 and demonstrating HBR2 and MST in action) and about 12.24 Gbit/s of PCIe packets when you factor in protocol overhead. From one little friction-fit port. Bonkers.
The presenter did mention that this was just a demo of early silicon, but I would imagine that closer to 2 GB/s should be possible over a 20 Gbit/s channel.
This new generation of Thunderbolt has me SO EXCITED!
I'm TOTALLY going to rush out to my local electronics chain and drop $600-3k on an external hard drive!
YIPPEE!
I'm TOTALLY going to rush out to my local electronics chain and drop $600-3k on an external hard drive!
YIPPEE!
Doesn't matter if there isn't jack ****** to use it with. I really wanted to support this interface, but not with the, what, THREE harddrives that support it? At some insane price? eff that.
A mac pro doesn't really require a thunderbolt update of any kind. There's no real reason not to launch with available hardware. When something new comes out, update the product line. They haven't done so now, but I doubt they are moving many units in the current year.
No way of telling. 2014 means at least Broadwell. It could show up late 2014, but Apple doesn't always grab bleeding edge updates. It could be 2015 instead. If you require that level of bandwidth today, it's not the right solution.
I think he was kidding, given that he suggested an update a month later.
We haven't seen a lot of Mac gpus. If it's worth the cost of R&D to get something certified, you might see them make a second version of whatever is released after market for the Mac Pro. Sapphire released an AMD card for the Mac Pro. A company like that could take such an option and also make a thunderbolt certified version assuming appropriate bandwidth and enough people that would pay for such a thing. I don't see it happening with $100-200 cards. They need something where they can sink part of the cost of the additional hardware.
I suspect 1.0 will remain in concurrent use as you stated. It seems like they're just going to 4x PCIe 3.0 bandwidth.
Correction. 20Gbps Thunderbolt is just slightly more than x4 2.0 (5Gbps per lane) in real life. PCIe 3.0 is 8Gbps per lane.
Actually, Thunderbolt is 2 channels per port, so a 2-port controller has 4 channels, and the quoted speeds are what's available to the upper layers. Cactus Ridge (and presumably Redwood Ridge) controllers have a PCIe 2.0 x4 connection on the back end, which due to 8b/10b encoding is really only 16 Gbit/s total despite the controller having the ability to pump 40 Gbit/s on the front side.
Falcon Ridge will most likely switch to a PCIe 3.0 x4 connection on the back end, which uses 128b/130b encoding and provides 31.5 Gbit/s in total, to be paired with an 80 Gbit/s front end.
Listen, if you're not interested in just using your Thunderbolt port as a digital display interface, try one of the following or shut up and stop complaining about not being able to support an interface that you apparently don't have a use for. I've never used the Kensington lock slots on any of my laptops, but I don't go around posting all pissed off because of it.
AJA ioXT
AJA KiStor Dock
AJA T-TAP
Apogee Electronics Symphony 64 | Thunderbolt
Apple Apple Thunderbolt Display
Apple Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
Apple Thunderbolt to FireWire Adapter
Areca ARC-8050
ATTO ThunderLink FC Thunderbolt to 8Gb/s Fibre Channel Desklink
ATTO ThunderLink NS Thunderbolt to 10GbE Desklink (SFP+)
ATTO ThunderLink NT Thunderbolt to 10GbE Desklink (10GBASE-T)
ATTO ThunderLink SH Thunderbolt to 6Gb/s SAS/SATA Desklink
ATTO ThunderStream SC Thunderbolt to 6Gb/s SAS RAID Desklink
Avid Pro Tools|HD Native Thunderbolt Interface
Blackmagic Design Intensity Shuttle for Thunderbolt
Blackmagic Design Intensity Extreme
Blackmagic Design UltraStudio 3D
Blackmagic Design UltraStudio Express
Blackmagic Design UltraStudio Mini Monitor
Blackmagic Design UltraStudio Mini Recorder
Blackmagic Design UltraStudio 4K
Blackmagic Design Blackmagic Cinema Camera EF
Blackmagic Design Blackmagic Cinema Camera MFT
Blackmagic Design Teranex 2D Processor
Blackmagic Design Universal Videohub Editing Interface
Blackmagic Design HyperDeck Studio Pro
Buffalo Technology MiniStation Thunderbolt (2 variants)
Drobo 5D
Drobo Mini
Elgato Thunderbolt SSD (2 variants)
Freecom Mobile Drive Mg USB 3.0 & Thunderbolt
G-Technology G-RAID with Thunderbolt (3 variants)
LaCie 2big Thunderbolt (2 variants)
LaCie 5big Thunderbolt Series (2 variants)
LaCie d2 USB 3.0 Thunderbolt Series (2 variants)
LaCie eSATA Hub Thunderbolt Series
LaCie Little Big Disk Thunderbolt (4 variants)
LaCie Rugged USB3 Thunderbolt Series (3 variants)
Magma ExpressBox 3T
Matrox DS1/DVI Thunderbolt Docking Station
Matrox DS1/HDMI Thunderbolt Docking Station
Matrox MXO2 Thunderbolt adapter
mLogic mLink
Other World Computing OWC Mercury Helios PCIe Thunderbolt Expansion Chassis (5 variants)
Promise Pegasus J2 (2 variants)
Promise Pegasus J4 (2 variants)
Promise Pegasus R4 (2 variants)
Promise Pegasus R6 (3 variants)
Promise SANLink
Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt Adapter (2 variants)
Seagate GoFlex Desk Thunderbolt Adapter (2 variants)
Sonnet Echo ExpressCard/34 Thunderbolt Adapter
Sonnet Echo Pro ExpressCard/34 Thunderbolt Adapter
Sonnet Echo Express Thunderbolt Expansion Chassis for PCIe Cards
Sonnet Echo Express Pro Thunderbolt Expansion Chassis for PCIe Cards
Sonnet Echo Express SE (3 variants)
Sonnet xMac mini Server
Sound Devices PIX-DOCK
Universal Audio Apollo Thunderbolt Option Card
Western Digital My Book Thunderbolt Duo (2 variants)
Western Digital My Book VelociRaptor Duo
I have a thunderbolt drive
LOVE IT!!!!!! Want more. Faster would even be more awesome. Pro work just improves however at this stage in the game those little big lacie drives are mighty appealing.
LOVE IT!!!!!! Want more. Faster would even be more awesome. Pro work just improves however at this stage in the game those little big lacie drives are mighty appealing.
This is a good reason to wait for Air/MBPro/Mac Mini in the 2014 .
Broadwell,8xx Nvidia Gpu,Falcon Ridge.
Ok first cent dropped in the pig.
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Now we "need" a valid external Gpu enclosure with robust power supply.
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In terms of real GPU ,do we have a significant bottleneck still or could be realistic to use it with gpu like this 670?
http://pinterest.com/pin/222576406556470630/
Broadwell,8xx Nvidia Gpu,Falcon Ridge.
Ok first cent dropped in the pig.
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Now we "need" a valid external Gpu enclosure with robust power supply.
----------
In terms of real GPU ,do we have a significant bottleneck still or could be realistic to use it with gpu like this 670?
http://pinterest.com/pin/222576406556470630/
Having one and only one controller implementer and Intel controlling the supply pretty much makes it proprietary. Thunderbolt is not being driven by a standard committee nor is it be implemented by multiple vendors.
Welcome to use as long as qualify to buy from the single source. Technically not all are welcome to buy the single source solution. Intel hasn't be taking very small volume vendors.
There are severaal USB 3.0 controller implementers to choose from. The USB, for better or worse, is driven by a standards comittee.
It is more affordable and 100% compatible with billions of other USB 2.0 devices.
Not really that necessary for 4K video transfer. ( as far 4K video is being processed now without it. )
It can make for nicer to have moble external drives, but necesary for 4K? not hardly. This is 4K hype year for NAB and Intel is aligning their kool-aid appropriately.
It isn't the same tech. The physical connector is the same but are substantially different.
I don't really missing the :
will need a new set of cables for higher speeds
part.
just give me a thunderbolt to eGPU enclosure with enough power to run high end cards.
It really cant be that ******** hard.. A LOT of people want it, yet nobody makes anything.. are they even listening?
some times i wonder what the big guys discuss when they want to build new stuff for us users..
hell, i'm even up for paying a ********* of money for an Apple eGPU enclosure.. just make one already.. the rumors started several years ago and people still talk about it.
Slackers.
It really cant be that ******** hard.. A LOT of people want it, yet nobody makes anything.. are they even listening?
some times i wonder what the big guys discuss when they want to build new stuff for us users..
hell, i'm even up for paying a ********* of money for an Apple eGPU enclosure.. just make one already.. the rumors started several years ago and people still talk about it.
Slackers.
Once TB gets fast enough we can run an external 16x PCIe graphics card on a Macbook or iMac and feed the video back to the inbuilt screen, then TB will be a complete and useful tech, until then, its just an expensive way of doing the same job DVI, USB or Firewire can do much cheaper.
Thunderbolt is no use if all they are selling it on is being another way to add Harddisks to your Mac.
Thunderbolt is no use if all they are selling it on is being another way to add Harddisks to your Mac.
At least when tb2 ships, we could use some splitters/hubs, where you could split one tb2 to two tb1 paths...
Adapters at 29.99 each.
Surely that should read 'Adapters starting at 29.99 each'