Intel Announces 'Sandy Bridge' Core Processors

[thunng8]

All you are doing is arguing for the sake of arguing. Get over it, you lost the argument, whether some of the games are an exact 5% difference less(which some of them are), or more it still won't be as noticeable as you are so hell bent on proving. You've ran backwards on previous claims and all you are doing is biting your tongue trying to scramble for a reason to even continue on. I'm done checking this thread and enjoy being added to my ignore list, kid. Next time you post an article post one that actually defends your side. Not like it matters since I thankfully won't ever see the garbage that is your posts again.

Fact is, the average is 10% with 6 of the 12 games registering 15% losses. You originally said there is no effect which is rubbish. That is the final garbage post I'll read from you.

 

[63dot]

They used to have Macworld, but they're no longer a part of that. Now they update whenever they're ready to, i.e. not on a scheduled timeframe.

I think this has been good for Apple users who expect too much too soon.

Now when Apple comes out with stuff not on a Macworld schedule but when they are ready, we see it for what it is and appreciate even modest hikes in speed or RAM or hard disk space.

Intel seems intent on selling Sandy Bridge as much as they legally can with their integrated graphics, but I don't know if they can force everybody to have to use them (however improved they are). I hope Apple can get the best of Intel's speed and low power consumption, as well as utilize dedicated graphics from other companies if needed. I would assume there would be a pricing scheme where a computer maker could use Intel chips with other GPUs but simply pay a higher price for Sandy Bridge and later processors. Who knows, but I can see this hitting the courts and causing delays.

I would expect delays.

 

[DCfilms]

RE: Sandy Bridge in the Mac Pro Desktop...

Anyone think there's a chance there could be a Mac Pro announcement at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2011 in Vegas, which begins tomorrow?

Also, can anyone tell me:

I'm reading that Sandy bridge will make low end graphics cards obsolete. Is the Mac Pro's ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB a low end graphics card?

Would Sandy Bridge mean that i would not be using a graphics card in a Mac Pro?

Is a 3.2GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem” Mac Pro with an ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB graphics card a better option than Sandy Bridge for video editing?

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and i'm afraid that's all i have

 

[thunng8]

Anyone think there's a chance there could be a Mac Pro announcement at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2011 in Vegas, which begins tomorrow?

Not a chance. Most likely have to wait until Sandy Bridge-EP is released towards the end of the year.

Also, can anyone tell me:

I'm reading that Sandy bridge will make low end graphics cards obsolete. Is the Mac Pro's ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB a low end graphics card?

No. The 5870 is a high end consumer card many times faster at 3D than the low end Intel IGP.

Would Sandy Bridge mean that i would not be using a graphics card in a Mac Pro?

Is a 3.2GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem” Mac Pro with an ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB graphics card a better option than Sandy Bridge for video editing?

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and i'm afraid that's all i have

I would expect 6 (Single chip) -16 (2 x 8 core) core Sandy Bridge based Mac Pro toward the end of the year.

 

[heffeque]

Is the Mac Pro's ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB a low end graphics card?

Are you serious? ()

 

[DCfilms]

Are you serious? ()

Yep! Like i said, a little knowledge...
I use computers everyday as a video editor, but what i know about how they work, you could write on the back of a stamp.

My old PPC G5 struggles with constantly updating the audio waveform in Avid edit software (an invaluable gimmick for editors), where as the PCs i use in edit facilities have no problem.
So now im finally getting a Mac Pro, i'd hate to find it still struggling for some reason i dont understand, thus i'm after the best (in my budget - 2.5K for the basics) than i can get.

Not a chance. Most likely have to wait until Sandy Bridge-EP is released towards the end of the year.

Thanks, that's indeed too long a wait.

No. The 5870 is a high end consumer card many times faster at 3D than the low end Intel IGP.

Thanks. Would this be better than a Sandy Bridge Mac Pro; i'm not clear as to whether a Sandy Bridge Mac Pro would need a graphics card or not!


Big thanks for your help!

 

[Hellhammer]

Thanks. Would this be better than a Sandy Bridge Mac Pro (i don't if a Sandy Bridge Mac Pro would also utilize a graphics card, or as suggested elsewhere, makes the graphics card obsolete.

Sandy Bridge makes low-end (<50$) cards obsolete but it's still lightyears behind ATI 5870 for example. Besides, Sandy Bridge-E (i.e. LGA 2011 parts, the parts for Mac Pro) don't even have an IGP so a discrete GPU is a must for the computer to operate.

Sandy Bridge Mac Pro will likely get newer graphics too. From the current lineup, it would probably be 6870 and 6970 but we might see AMD 7000-series if it is released before new MPs.

So no, the current MP won't be better than SB MP but the wait time is long and IMO not worth it. The GPU can always be upgraded later on if you need more graphics performance

 

[Red33m]

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I clicked on the Low Graphics link..and SB was faster than MB13 in only ONE GAME?!

Why is SB even released if it will bring worse results in MB13 than the ones it already has?

 

[Red33m]

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The next $999 13" MacBook will be Aluminum, the SB Processor, and no more optical drive (like the Air's - get the external if you really need it).

Why would Apple want to basically sell a cheaper and faster Air with more internal storage capacity?

No. The MB White stays in all its plastic splendor. If anything, the 13" MBP dies leaving a clear choice for 13" users to choose from.

You think Apple cares if consumers are "struggled" to choose between the white MB and MBP?

The MBP maybe 93%(it has more twice as upgradable RAM and an Aluminum Unibody) same as the MB but since it sells more than MB or any other MacBook IT WILL STAY in the line.

 

[Richard1028]

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You think Apple cares if consumers are "struggled" to choose between the white MB and MBP?

The MBP maybe 93%(it has more twice as upgradable RAM and an Aluminum Unibody) same as the MB but since it sells more than MB or any other MacBook IT WILL STAY in the line.

Huh? I have no idea what you're going on about.

You said: The next $999 13" MacBook will be Aluminum, the SB Processor, and no more optical drive (like the Air's - get the external if you really need it).

How is this prediction of yours that much different than a MBA? It's actually 10x better and priced cheaper to boot. And should your "vision" come to fruition, what do you do with the 13" MBA to keep it viable? Given your scenario it won't survive on just "thinness" and display alone.

Some of you guys don't understand that each time you change the specs on one machine it ripples across all similar models.

And provide me with concrete stats that supports your statement the MBP13 outsells the MacBook.

 

[pr5owner]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Geforce-GT-425M.34152.0.html
So I stand by what I said. Plus, IGPs don't come with their own RAM, most of the time anyway. Where do you get your info from?

i just looked at this one, i saw it on sale for under $899 but its reg price again

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220874,

its got both the intel IGP in the i5 and a 425GT, its also got USB 3 and BD is optional

 

[Red33m]

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You think Apple cares if consumers are "struggled" to choose between the white MB and MBP?

The MBP maybe 93%(it has more twice as upgradable RAM and an Aluminum Unibody) same as the MB but since it sells more than MB or any other MacBook IT WILL STAY in the line.

Huh? I have no idea what you're going on about.

You said: The next $999 13" MacBook will be Aluminum, the SB Processor, and no more optical drive (like the Air's - get the external if you really need it).

How is this prediction of yours that much different than a MBA? It's actually 10x better and priced cheaper to boot. And should your "vision" come to fruition, what do you do with the 13" MBA to keep it viable? Given your scenario it won't survive on just "thinness" and display alone.

Some of you guys don't understand that each time you change the specs on one machine it ripples across all similar models.

And provide me with concrete stats that supports your statement the MBP13 outsells the MacBook.

Be careful..I did just say what I wrote on the comment about consumers. The quote wasn't my one comment.

Also price of the MBP 13 right now isn't 999$. Prices will stay where they are and none of the MacBooks will be ditched out.

 

[monk134]

Should I wait?

I'm looking to replace a PC laptop and I am interested in a MBP 13".

I will be using it for various basic tasks: Internet browsing, email, office apps, watching DVD’s but I would like to have the ability to play WoW on it.

I know it's not going to run the best and I’m fine with that but my question is should I wait for the refresh or purchase the current model? Would it run any better on the new MBP? Will they even offer the 13" model?

Thanks for any help!

 

[Hellhammer]

I'm looking to replace a PC laptop and I am interested in a MBP 13".

I will be using it for various basic tasks: Internet browsing, email, office apps, watching DVD’s but I would like to have the ability to play WoW on it.

I know it's not going to run the best and I’m fine with that but my question is should I wait for the refresh or purchase the current model? Would it run any better on the new MBP? Will they even offer the 13" model?

Thanks for any help!

If your current PC works, then I would wait. You never know what the next gen brings and this time we should be looking at much newer CPUs.

 

[altecXP]

How come no one has mentioned that Intel has put DRM on the chip to satisfy Hollywood? I bet you all aren't too excited about that.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1934536/intels-sandy-bridge-sucks-hollywood-drm

Hows that Intels fault? you want hardware dts decoding then blame US law.

1) Intel doesn't say the CPU is a new architecture they say the GPU is new architecture.
2) Who cares if the 320m is maybe 7% faster or slower then the new Intel GPU? Think of how much better teh battery life will be now that you have it all in 1 package vs a older C2D and a IPU added on. This moves a LOT of the chipset and GPU and a better CPU into 1 package.

If you are getting your 13in Pro because you think it has epic graphics then you are seriously out of touch with the GPU market.

 

[AidenShaw]

Why is SB even released if it will bring worse results in MB13 than the ones it already has?

A better question would be "Why would Apple use Sandy Bridge if it...".

While Sandy Bridge might be not be a big improvement for Apples using the 320M, it is an significant improvement compared to the previous Intel integrated graphics - as well as a more powerful CPU.

That's why *Intel* is releasing it.

Apple could fit a discrete graphics chip into the 13" MacBooks (and MacBook Pros) if they need to bump the performance. (Perhaps they'd need to use a solid state blade storage device, drop the optical, or make it a tiny bit bigger or thicker - but Apple could do any of those.)

 

[Yebubbleman]

A better question would be "Why would Apple use Sandy Bridge if it...".

While Sandy Bridge might be not be a big improvement for Apples using the 320M, it is an significant improvement compared to the previous Intel integrated graphics - as well as a more powerful CPU.

That's why *Intel* is releasing it.

Apple could fit a discrete graphics chip into the 13" MacBooks (and MacBook Pros) if they need to bump the performance. (Perhaps they'd need to use a solid state blade storage device, drop the optical, or make it a tiny bit bigger or thicker - but Apple could do any of those.)

Then that begs the question, why haven't they done it yet, especially if the current 13" MacBook Pro stuck with a Core 2 Duo on grounds that it had to in order to have better graphics (which ended up being an IGP [a decent IGP, mind you, but still an IGP])? Sure, they'd only need to reclaim the space from nixing the no-longer-needed-at-all hard drive bay if they had blade SSDs. If they're not stupid, they'll do that on the next 13" Pro.

I'm looking to replace a PC laptop and I am interested in a MBP 13".

I will be using it for various basic tasks: Internet browsing, email, office apps, watching DVD’s but I would like to have the ability to play WoW on it.

I know it's not going to run the best and I’m fine with that but my question is should I wait for the refresh or purchase the current model? Would it run any better on the new MBP? Will they even offer the 13" model?

Thanks for any help!

You don't want to play WoW on a laptop, let alone a Mac laptop. Trust me. I've seen too many of them develop heating issues after being used heavily to play WoW. Were you to get a PC laptop for those exact same purposes, you'd be saving money. My advice: buy the 13" MacBook Pro, build a PC tower, play WoW on the tower.

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You think Apple cares if consumers are "struggled" to choose between the white MB and MBP?

The MBP maybe 93%(it has more twice as upgradable RAM and an Aluminum Unibody) same as the MB but since it sells more than MB or any other MacBook IT WILL STAY in the line.

It is redundant and unlike the white MB, and MBA, it needs power that, unless Apple does what I propose in my response to AidenShaw, they likely won't deliver on. You can also put in 8GB of RAM in a white MacBook no problem, it's just not supported by Apple for some stupid reason. It was their best selling laptop over a year ago, that was before the white Unibody MacBook, and before the current and now critically acclaimed MacBook Air. Times have changed. They could nix the 13" Pro with little problem.

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I clicked on the Low Graphics link..and SB was faster than MB13 in only ONE GAME?!

Why is SB even released if it will bring worse results in MB13 than the ones it already has?

Because it's not all about Apple? Sandy Bridge isn't also just an IGP, it's an entire CPU.

Anyone think there's a chance there could be a Mac Pro announcement at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2011 in Vegas, which begins tomorrow?

Also, can anyone tell me:

I'm reading that Sandy bridge will make low end graphics cards obsolete. Is the Mac Pro's ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB a low end graphics card?

Would Sandy Bridge mean that i would not be using a graphics card in a Mac Pro?

Is a 3.2GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem” Mac Pro with an ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB graphics card a better option than Sandy Bridge for video editing?

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and i'm afraid that's all i have

Sandy Bridge's integrated graphics only matters on low-end portables and the Mac mini, neither of which are your target machine. Honestly, they JUST updated the Mac Pro line and it looks great, I'd get one. Figure out how many cores your software will fully utilize, and customize accordingly (they have quad-core, hexa-core, octo-core, and 12-core configuration options), and go for it. Get the Radeon HD 5870, unless you know for sure that you'll upgrade to the next card Apple has in a Mac Pro, in which case the 5770 will tide you over just fine until then, and you're set. Unless you'd find your needs served just as well, if not better by a quad-core 27" iMac. It has become a popular favorite among the video editing community.

 

[rneglia]

Yes, you could install a 2.5" SSD into a white MacBook, but no Apple won't sell you one. So quit being a pansy and install one yourself; it's way cheaper that way anyway.

The irony of this is, I have installed hard drives. I installed a 1TB drive in my iMac (with the help of a friend and the iFixit step-by-step) and that was no picnic.

On another note, what are the chances the new MBP's will offer the option of one SSD drive and one hard drive in the same unit?

 

[Yebubbleman]

The irony of this is, I have installed hard drives. I installed a 1TB drive in my iMac (with the help of a friend and the iFixit step-by-step) and that was no picnic (and way cheaper than Tekserve).

On another note, what are the chances the new MBP's will offer the option of one SSD drive and one hard drive in the same unit?

iMacs =/= MacBooks. iMac hard drive installations are far more annoying than they are in literally every other Mac. As for your question, highly likely in the 15" and 17", extremely unlikely in the 13" MacBook Pro and the white MacBook.

 

[KnightWRX]

You don't want to play WoW on a laptop, let alone a Mac laptop. Trust me. I've seen too many of them develop heating issues after being used heavily to play WoW.

I played WoW for 2 years straight on a laptop. My character had a 128 days /played when I quit. All those hours were made on said Dell laptop with an nVidia IGP. I did the 40 mans, the 25 mans, everything on that trusty laptop.

And now, after all this, you're telling me I didn't want to play WoW on the couch or in bed, I wanted to sit up straight at a desk ?

There is no problem playing WoW on a laptop.

 

[Yebubbleman]

I played WoW for 2 years straight on a laptop. My character had a 128 days /played when I quit. All those hours were made on said Dell laptop with an nVidia IGP. I did the 40 mans, the 25 mans, everything on that trusty laptop.

And now, after all this, you're telling me I didn't want to play WoW on the couch or in bed, I wanted to sit up straight at a desk ?

There is no problem playing WoW on a laptop.

It didn't do anything to my Toshiba laptop either, but it did cause some nasty heating problems on my MacBook and my then-girlfriend's MacBook Pro (she had about a year played), these are also not the only Mac laptops (let alone PC laptops) that I've heard with problems. Your laptop didn't have problems, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[KnightWRX]

It didn't do anything to my Toshiba laptop either, but it did cause some nasty heating problems on my MacBook and my then-girlfriend's MacBook Pro (she had about a year played). Your laptop didn't have problems, I don't know what to tell you.

Laptops have fans that kick in way below the actual heat treshold that chips can survive and have automatic shutdowns in case of overheating. You really have to want to overheat a computer to have it overheat.

 

[DCfilms]

Hellhammer & Yebubbleman, thanks a lot for your advice - i'll go for the current MP as you suggest.

Cheers

 

[Yebubbleman]

Laptops have fans that kick in way below the actual heat treshold that chips can survive and have automatic shutdowns in case of overheating. You really have to want to overheat a computer to have it overheat.

Sure, but some suck and with something like WoW providing consistent CPU usage and therefore heat, that shows much more easily with WoW. Again, yours doesn't. The MacBook I had definitely has ****** heating as does my ex-girlfriend's MacBook Pro.

 

[altecXP]

13in Aluminum MacBook, and a 15in i5, both have played Wo for me very well over the years.

I'm planning to replace them with a Envy14 Beats though this month.