Intel Begins Shipping First Kaby Lake Processors, but Most Macs Won't Get Them Until 2017

[sudo1996]

Fine, I get your logic but then at least Apple shouldn't charge such a redicilous amount of money for old hardware. I don't get why other pc's or other products in general reduce their prices when using outdated technology but Apple doesn't do the same.

Exactly. People aren't buying them because they know they're filled with cheap hardware.
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Yep overpriced old hardware in a pretty package. I miss the days of the "Good, Better, Best" PowerMac's And the early Intel MacPro.

Note that none of it was overpriced when it came out, especially in the Mac Pros. The Mac Pros were actually steals, cheaper than the sum of their parts. Problem is Apple kept selling stuff with the same hardware for the same price for years.

 

[keysofanxiety]

OK fine, then an i7-5950HQ.

Yeah the performance is pretty much the same, in the sense that you won't see any noticeable benefit, even under specific circumstances. Already made mention of that here:

. The only one I can think of is the i7-5950HQ, and even that is practically identical in performance.

And that's really the only one I can think of. Everybody else is acting like Intel have doubled CPU performance but Apple aren't putting in the chips.

 

[ka-spot]

no problemos. most macs will not be released until 2017 anyway

 

[canadianreader]

Seems like a trend nowadays at Apple - save the better things for next year

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Just a thought...what if Apple begins using their own chips in the Mac instead?

Please dont anger hackintosh lovers

 

[Kajje]

- "Tim, this computer you're selling, is slow"
- "Ah that's because it has a 2015-CPU"
- "But I want to a computer with a 2016-CPU"
- "Ah then you'll have to come back next year"

 

[amegicfox]

Timmy just said to Intel:

"no thanks, our current Macs are fast enough. Just make sure to increase the discount on the haswell line,
so we can get even better margin off of our future customers"

Jonny said:
"haswell has plenty of speed and power for our customers, just make it thinner."

 

[GhostRaider]

Apple probably doesn't realize it's selling Macs.

 

[amegicfox]

Why is everyone always so pissed at Apple for having “old” hardware, when it’s Intel that’s been causing the delays? Besides, my Late 2013 15” rMBP still works darn well for my power user workflow.

It's Timmy's fault. Steve would either have pushed Intel / replaced them or implement it's own processor. Apple is the biggest company in the world they should make their own processors not being pushed around or wait for others to do it.

Apple has been successful under Steve because he was a great negotiator and they were able to tightly control hardware and software.

Tim let it slide, he can't and doesn't know how to make deals, how to be tough, how to push companies.

Timmy doesn't have the balls or toughness to run a company. He is a scared man.

I am sure he apologized to Intel.

He apologized for maps and fired forestall.

He apologized to Taylor swift (who makes $170 million per year) for Apple Music (just this move is costing apple tens of millions per year)

He apologized to Carl Icahn and started paying dividends

He apologized to Apple employees and told them they shouldn't work too much.

People like Taylor Swift, Carl Icahn and everybody else are running Apple not Timmy.

Timmy prefers taking selfies around the world and be a political butterfly instead of dealing with the tough world of tech and innovation.

These tech sharks have been eating Timmy alive since Steve died.

 

[alex0002]

Apple never had a real Pro line, just a Pro line name to make consumers feel "Pro". At core components they were always behind, except for few small consumer interfaces. Real Pros do not use Apple. You won't see any engineers building the next Boing Airplane or BMW Car or next Space Station or an Sky Skaper on Apple devices. Not even the milling machines they use are controlled by Apple devices, they are controlled by Windows boxes.

Apple is pure consumer oriented. Spec wise their pro "line" is a joke.

Some people might consider launching a spacecraft, putting it in orbit around Jupiter and monitoring it's progress to be a professional application.

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/750176081987014657

Before you mention it, the desktops in the pictures appear to be Unix/Linux workstations, perhaps there could be some windows boxes in there somewhere. Didn't see any windows notebooks.

I'm also seeing a quite a lot of macbook pros in the telecommunications industry, mostly with contractors that own their own notebook. Not so many with engineers who get their notebook from the corporate purchasing department.

 

[haruhiko]

I'm still waiting for the time when the whole MacRumors' Buyer's Guide turns into "Don't Buy! Don't Buy! Don't Buy!"
Only the MacBook is left.

 

[thekev]

Why is everyone always so pissed at Apple for having “old” hardware, when it’s Intel that’s been causing the delays? Besides, my Late 2013 15” rMBP still works darn well for my power user workflow.

Well Apple didn't use anything from broadwell in the 15" line, and they still haven't adopted skylake there. Skylake showed up in the macbook. It hasn't shown up in the macbook pro as of yet. Putting that on intel at this point seems far fetched, because as far as I can tell cpus have been available.

 

[amegicfox]

And yet, they're selling just fine.

People here need to realize that MacRumors members are the MINORITY. The average Apple user isn't on rumor sites or discussing the specs and releases of the newest Macs. The average user simply buys a computer to do basic stuff and as long as it does that they don't care about the rest.

That's why Apple has no issue selling what they do. 99% of their buyers don't care about the things people care about here. Having the latest process or one 2 generations old doesn't matter to them as long as they can get online, do some email and word processing and that's about it.

I don't agree at all. People who spends over $1,000 on a desktop or laptop don't want old or slow technology. If they only have to do email and word processing they will buy a new ASUS for $250 and be super happy

If you ask a grandma: would you like to send email with a $1300 laptop or $250 ?
even the dumbest grandma will answer: I'll take the $250 laptop!

Just because I am not an expert in cars it doesn't mean I don't know the difference between toyota and mercedes. especially when someone hands me the bill

 

[ThatGuyInLa]

Apple still makes computers?

 

[shaunp]

Bring on the complaints and crying.

These same people will complain if Apple moves to the new release cycle Intel is going to. They'll cry that the new processors aren't a big enough leap to justify a new machine.

You can never win. Everyone always wants more than what's announced and for less.

All I want Apple to do is to release an update to the rMBP to increase the upper limit on RAM from 16GB to 32GB, or even better 64GB as the competition have done. I need a mobile VM lab (hence the large amount of RAM) and I'm currently having to make do with a very heavy Dell laptop.

I can't see why Apple haven't already updated the rMBP as the competition released their products around a year ago. That's the issue I have with Apple, there are new features other than a bit of speed that a new CPU and chipset brings, but Apple does nothing. Instead it brings out a load of watch straps instead - which are too short!
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Why is everyone always so pissed at Apple for having “old” hardware, when it’s Intel that’s been causing the delays? Besides, my Late 2013 15” rMBP still works darn well for my power user workflow.

Not entirely true. Dell, Lenovo and HP have all had skylake laptops out for over a year now. The upper RAM limit of the rMBP is an issue for me that would be addressed with an update to skylake.

 

[amegicfox]

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Anyone remember when Apple got Intel chips early??

Timmy can't make deals, doesn't know how to negotiate, he is weak, he is always apologizing from Taylor Swift, to Carla Icahn, to Apple employees, to anyone else. To run a tech company you need to be tough and work 24/7. He is always traveling, talking to the press and taking selfies. When does this man work ?

 

[Ries]

Skylake already supports Thunderbolt 3, so who cares? Kabylake offers a modest bump in speed and really that's about it. Yeah it would be nice if Mac's shipped with the latest and greatest like they used to, but that's no reason to hold off on buying the next Macbook Pro.

Full HVEC265 Main10/VP9 10-bit decoder support, the next format of online content.

 

[dazzer21-2]

Anyone remember when Apple got Intel chips early??

It's amazing what having your arm twisted up against your back by a certain Mr Jobs could do at the time...

 

[44267547]

It's amazing what having your arm twisted up against your back by a certain Mr Jobs could do at the time...

Not a man I would want to upset. But a man I would strive to emulate.

 

[Marx55]

Apple should release brand new Macs and Thunderbolt display 4K 24-inch with Intel Kaby Lake, including standard ports in all devices like Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3.1 Type-C reversible generation 2, as well as SDXC with extra pins supporting maximum read/write speed (300 MB/s).

 

[Zarniwoop]

Well Apple didn't use anything from broadwell in the 15" line, and they still haven't adopted skylake there. Skylake showed up in the macbook. It hasn't shown up in the macbook pro as of yet. Putting that on intel at this point seems far fetched, because as far as I can tell cpus have been available.

Broadwell was suffering from severals bugs, this for instance: http://news.softpedia.com/news/the-...-defect-when-running-office-2016-493094.shtml

Maybe Apple dealt with the problem by turning off the Speedstep in iMac. But it is an essential function of a mobile chip, so Apple had to keep the old Haswell at that time when they wanted to update the GPU. And I'm pretty sure, that M370 was suppose to be a new 20nm GPU, but because TSMC failed, it was cancelled and the current GPU was the second best option.

 

[thekev]

Broadwell was suffering from severals bugs, this for instance: http://news.softpedia.com/news/the-...-defect-when-running-office-2016-493094.shtml

Apple could have avoided it with iMac by turning off speedstep. But it is an essential function of mobile chip, so when Apple wanted to update the GPU for rMBP 15", they had to keep the old Haswell at that time.

I was unaware of that one. I know they had problems with skylake. Apple used skylake in the macbook though. I'm skeptical that they're really still waiting on it. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a very late refresh. Given that intel has experienced a number of problems, it's unlikely that a kabylake version of the 15" macbook pro could be released early in 2017.

 

[attila]

I had to replace the logic board on my 2011 17" MacBook Pro. It cost be £550. I took the hit because the current MacBooks aren't better in any significant way except having retina displays. For how it looks today, I'd pay that sum again if the computer breaks down again in 12 months.

 

[rodpascoe]

I'm calling it now. We're going to start seeing Apple put its own chips in their laptops by the end of 2018.. A12x, perhaps? They need to show Intel that they are not willing to tolerate delays and are willing to go down other avenues.

Do you think the market would react the same way that it did moving from PowerPC to Intel?

I'm not sure if Apple did this again that they wouldn't lose a lot of market share.

 

[3568378]

Keep telling yourself that.

Done.
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Wait, you really just asked "who decides they are outdated" -and then referenced how much faster your 2015 pro is than your late 08 pro!? Were you sarcastic or just dipped the punch a little early??

Please read overall context next time. That quote was directed at those saying Haswell and Broadwell offerings presently in stores were outdated.

 

[Tech198]

umm.. a semi-tock ... so, that like.... half a tick..

That's about as small as u can get. Seems only one Mac has skylate currently Macbook Pro Retina 2016, so Apple has some catching up to do.