Intel CEO Bob Swan to Step Down in February

alexjholland said:
You don't need to install an engineer at the top of a company to enable innovative engineering.
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The technical troubles that they’ve had for the past 5+ years - they need someone like gelsinger at the top... it was/is a different story for Apple, I give you that...
 
Intel is dying, and post-Intel world is a good thing for everyone, not just computer users.

x86 is a relic, and needs to be relegated at-best to emulation or a at-worst a museum.
 
Apple Knowledge Navigator said:
I can understand people singing Apple Silicon's praises and discussing why the move from x86 was a good one; but I do feel that the negative/disingenuous comments surrounding Intel are getting quite out of line.

So Apple made a business decision not to be an Intel customer. Great, it's been analysed to death already, but why do some now feel that Intel deserves this level of flack? Did Intel publicly criticise Apple in recent years? Did they force Apple into any contracts? I don't recall bad blood between the two companies. If Apple was disappointed that Intel didn't meet targets, then that's a different matter entirely.

To achieve the roadmap that they set out - regardless how ambitious it is - can't be easy. Just because AMD has gained marketshare and ARM will now be taken seriously in mainstream computing, it doesn't mean that Intel are suddenly a useless entity. They tried and hasn't worked out in recent years - it happens in business.

The same applies to the CEO Bob Swan. He gave it his best shot and wasn't up to the task. It doesn't mean the guy deserves to be harrassed.

It's that tribalistic attitude of winners and losers that just comes off as crass.
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curious who’s the actor or employee of Apple in the Apple Navigator concept video that is shown in your avatar??? Does anyone know?

Psychicbob said:
Agreed. Using software running on Intel tech has paid my mortgage for a few decades. What I would say, though, is that ARM tech is not new, so the writing has been on the wall for a long time.
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the writing has not been on the wall for a long time. Arm had a chance at desktop computing yet didn’t fare too well decades ago. Instead it was used in PDA’s and cellphones and smartphones for decades aka Texas Intruments‘ OMAP line lived a long healthy life in Nokia’s smartphone lineup.

only after apple started showing incredible results the last 5yrs did we see something and a few server chip fab companies as well.
 
This had almost nothing to do with M1 chip and mostly to do with security exploits throughout the last couple of years plus AMD domination this generation. But sure let’s all continue reaching around uncle apple and giving credit where it’s laughably not due
 
JuanGuapo said:
Intel is dying, and post-Intel world is a good thing for everyone, not just computer users.

x86 is a relic, and needs to be relegated at-best to emulation or a at-worst a museum.
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Intel doubled FAB capacity in the last two years and they still can't satisfy the demand for their chips. Your definition of "dying" must be really unique.
 
Why is there so much hate for Bob Swan? He’s only been CEO since 2018. Intel’s problems predate him. They started under Krzanich- who IS an engineer (he didn’t get fired for dating an employee lol). So just because Intel’s new CEO is an engineer doesn’t mean the company will fix its manufacturing issues.
 
As the CEO, he's betting that being unemployed is better than being the CEO of Intel. Yikes.
 
huge_apple_fangirl said:
Why is there so much hate for Bob Swan? He’s only been CEO since 2018. Intel’s problems predate him. They started under Krzanich- who IS an engineer (he didn’t get fired for dating an employee lol). So just because Intel’s new CEO is an engineer doesn’t mean the company will fix its manufacturing issues.
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Well ask yourself why Tim Cook wasn't even given a chance from day one? This forum trashed him and compared him to Jobs since the first day he became CEO. I'm starting easily see now that people here just want to hate on anything Apple but will defend any other company that is Apple's competition. SMH.
 
Maconplasma said:
Well ask yourself why Tim Cook wasn't even given a chance from day one? This forum trashed him and compared him to Jobs since the first day he became CEO. I'm starting easily see now that people here just want to hate on anything Apple but will defend any other company that is Apple's competition. SMH.
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Tim Cook has been a phenomenal CEO. The only real criticism of him is that he’s no Steve Jobs- and he can’t really be blamed for that. And no, operations isn’t finance. But yeah, people reflexively hate on Swan because “MBA bad” without even realizing that Intel’s issues started under an engineer.

Then you also see idiots on this forum claiming Intel spends more on marketing than R&D- completely false. Intel’s engineers messed up, they weren’t taken over by a bunch of evil MBAs who decided to ruin the company for short-term profits. (Now, Boeing on the other hand...)
 
Apple Knowledge Navigator said:
I can understand people singing Apple Silicon's praises and discussing why the move from x86 was a good one; but I do feel that the negative/disingenuous comments surrounding Intel are getting quite out of line.

So Apple made a business decision not to be an Intel customer. Great, it's been analysed to death already, but why do some now feel that Intel deserves this level of flack? Did Intel publicly criticise Apple in recent years? Did they force Apple into any contracts? I don't recall bad blood between the two companies. If Apple was disappointed that Intel didn't meet targets, then that's a different matter entirely.

To achieve the roadmap that they set out - regardless how ambitious it is - can't be easy. Just because AMD has gained marketshare and ARM will now be taken seriously in mainstream computing, it doesn't mean that Intel are suddenly a useless entity. They tried and hasn't worked out in recent years - it happens in business.

The same applies to the CEO Bob Swan. He gave it his best shot and wasn't up to the task. It doesn't mean the guy deserves to be harrassed.

It's that tribalistic attitude of winners and losers that just comes off as crass.
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I agree with you, Apple moved on, AMD is gaining market share and there is renewed potential completion ... Intel has had 5+ years of technical challenges and severe mis-management. Bob Swan initially didn't want the CEO role but then stepped up to it, he deserves credit for that, he gave it his best.
Gelsinger grew up under Grove, he has the capability to lead Intel out of the technology challenges and also beyond, into a new architecture. It will be got for everybody, including Apple, to see more choices and competition!
 
huge_apple_fangirl said:
Why is there so much hate for Bob Swan? He’s only been CEO since 2018. Intel’s problems predate him. They started under Krzanich- who IS an engineer (he didn’t get fired for dating an employee lol). So just because Intel’s new CEO is an engineer doesn’t mean the company will fix its manufacturing issues.
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That's a good question, people forget that he was interim CEO and did not want the CEO role but then tapped up to it, he did the best he could and serves credit for that ...
The problems at Intel started pre-Krzanich, they actually tarted with Otellni who turned down Steve Jobs when he came and wanted Intel to produce the chips for the iPhone ... and Krzanich ruined it, he was on some ego power trip, he actually was a fab manager in Intels Rio Rancho fab prior to becoming exec roles and eventually CEO, he had the background to identify and solve the manufacturing issues, but ...
Gelsinger grew up in Intel under Grove, he was their first CTO, he has the talents to go and pull them out and also lead them into a new architecture, we shall see ...
 
alexjholland said:
Steve Jobs didn't do too badly I heard.
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Well, he did have a particular angle on, and personal interest in tech which was that anyone should be able to use it. This (apart from money or maybe because of the money potential in a mass market) was his passion. At a point where many CEO's would just lean back and be brand ambassadors and board room juggelers he would take personal interest in many projects at Apple (and NeXT) for this reason.

I do agree though in that some non-technical leaders do really well. Life is complicated.
 
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ThunderSkunk said:
Considering how much business, gov, & world operates on decades of software made to run on intel chips, doesn’t have any reason to care if the chips in their machines are 10nm or 7, and is heavily incentivized to be conservative, stable and fight change, I expect that being outpaced in the high-end chip speed race will result in the total collapse of intel in about 2 centuries.

Every time some F1 car wins a season, it doesn’t mean the gods stop the hands of time, declare them the winner for all time, and the rest of the car industry goes out of business. This is like zero-sum thinking run amok.
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We are on about a company not sport or even technology. Many companies used and indeed relied upon Blackberry yet that did not stop Blackberry going bankrupt now did it?
 
NetMage said:
Exactly who is expecting Microsoft to stop being an Intel customer?
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Could happen once MS sees how successful Apple are with the new M1 Macs. My girlfriend and I both have Intel MacBook Pros (15") and our daughter has the new M1 MacBook Air and I can tell you it absolutely blows Intel out the water.
MS may very well panic and follow Apple's lead just as other companies follow Apple when they do things like remove the headphone jack or ditch including chargers with their phones(Samsung, S21).
 
Apple Knowledge Navigator said:
I can understand people singing Apple Silicon's praises and discussing why the move from x86 was a good one; but I do feel that the negative/disingenuous comments surrounding Intel are getting quite out of line.

So Apple made a business decision not to be an Intel customer. Great, it's been analysed to death already, but why do some now feel that Intel deserves this level of flack? Did Intel publicly criticise Apple in recent years? Did they force Apple into any contracts? I don't recall bad blood between the two companies. If Apple was disappointed that Intel didn't meet targets, then that's a different matter entirely.

To achieve the roadmap that they set out - regardless how ambitious it is - can't be easy. Just because AMD has gained marketshare and ARM will now be taken seriously in mainstream computing, it doesn't mean that Intel are suddenly a useless entity. They tried and hasn't worked out in recent years - it happens in business.

The same applies to the CEO Bob Swan. He gave it his best shot and wasn't up to the task. It doesn't mean the guy deserves to be harrassed.

It's that tribalistic attitude of winners and losers that just comes off as crass.
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I do not think people are hating on Intel for the sake of it but rather mentioning the fact that Intel have messed up because they seem arrogant and complacent and decided that they did not need to innovate or even at least admit that they are unable to etc.
 
alexjholland said:
Yup. In fact great CEOs often are NOT technical.

Many of my clients are engineers and developers. They often struggle to position their products effectively, because having a high level of technical aptitude can reduce your ability to relate to your customers.
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You must have missed a guy named Elon Musk, richest person in the world. He has as a degree In physics and understand the universe from the atoms up!
 
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