Of course you can see quality. If you know what to look for, it's easy to spot engineering and design quality. Tolerances, fit, finish. You can also hear and feel quailty - vibrations, noise (hard drives, fans).
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Of course you can see quality. If you know what to look for, it's easy to spot engineering and design quality. Tolerances, fit, finish. You can also hear and feel quailty - vibrations, noise (hard drives, fans).
Use Neo Office. It's free and cross platform. I've used that for the past two years. My boss didn't even know I hadn't installed office!
TennisAndMusic is a massive troll.
In every new Apple thread, he posts about how expensive Apple is and how great windows is, simply to get a rise out of people. And they take the bait every time.
Will someone please just ban his troll ass and be done with it?
In every new Apple thread, he posts about how expensive Apple is and how great windows is, simply to get a rise out of people. And they take the bait every time.
Will someone please just ban his troll ass and be done with it?
That doesn't mean anything, Industrial equipment looks like crap but its the best thing you can get.
But substandard capacitors will still pop, wireless connections will be flaky, and poorly designed logic boards will die - even if the frosting on the cake is impeccable.
Not true, I have no interest going to a PC / Windows forum and trolling about how good MAC's or OSX is, I have better things to do with my time, if they want to stay ignorant, that's their problem, I just object to them coming here spouting completely off-topic stuff to batter Apple for the sake of it.
I'm not lying about anything, I simply haven't found anything I can't do on the Mac that I used to do when I was a PC user!
I'm sure this is not the case for all users who might use some obscure software, but I'm not trying to convince the world otherwise. The fact is the majority of the productivity that is done on computers today is DTP, Doc's, Spreadsheets, Presentation, Email and Browsing all of which can be provided with a Mac quite proficiently.
Well it was some time ago when I owned a machine that I used to play lots of games on (when in fact it was supposed to be a computer), it was called a Amiga. I kinda grew up and whilst I appreciate a lot of people do like to spend time playing games, I seldom do anymore. I also think there are perfectly good dedicated pieces of hardware in the Xbox, PS3 & Wii for that type of thing as opposed to using your computer!
I run a business and I have retired my Windows based Domain Controller, SQL and Exchange Servers. I now run OSX Server providing email, web based services etc. I honestly find my administration easier and we get far less spam and email viruses through to the client end since switching. The licensing is a fraction of the price for a solution that has improved, you can't ask for more than that as far as I'm concerned!
Again I think your entitled to your opinion, but equally as am I and I simply don't agree. I think Apples hardware range is uncluttered and provides for most peoples needs. The Pro kit provides for the high power users of this world like video editing etc. The Laptops are superb. The iMacs provide for most peoples needs and provide a beautiful uncluttered desktop wire free unlike the mess I used to have with my PC's.
Netbooks are a complete waste of time, whats the point of throwing together a low powered machine with a 5-7" screen aimed at surfing the Internet. I'd rather use my Macbook Air for that. Granted it costs a lot more but I'm more about the quality of experience than low cost (frustrating) computing.
I had a guy come round my house last week complaining about his 2 year old Sony Vaio because you'd click something and wait for ages wondering if you'd clicked something (even though you really knew you had). I remember those days, the infamous "Windows slowdown for no reason other than you've had the computer in use for several months". No matter how hard you tried to clean it up, you'd wonder if you should clear it down and re-install to get the speed back.
Those that gripe about Mac hardware no competing at the PC level do have a point, but they forget the Mac doesn't really need all the horsepower thrown at it like the PC does. My iMac 24" is over 2 years old with loads of stuff installed and still performs well without having to run lots of maintenance because we are free from that awful invention "The Registry" thank god!
Oh and I only returned to this thread to say I had my shipment email today, but I had to address some of the points made to my previous post, even though I wanted to just stay on topic this time :-(
Yep they did. And this is a huge oil company. They learned the hard way when the new antivirus dat file had some 'issues' with the large database files. Quite effectively brought down 6 database servers. No database, no refining, no $$$. Ouch. I'm just a DBA not a Director level guy so I have no say whether or not they decide to run antivirus software on their servers or not.
I find it hard to believe this statement. No antivirus, No Windows patches for a year on an internet facing Windows server? No company in their right mind would even think about doing that. From an article I read there are over 1 MILLION Windows viruses and you are exposed to ALL of them.
There is a reason hackers attack Windows. Because it is easy compared to hacking UNIX. Sure it can and has been done to UNIX. UNIX worms, buffer overflows... but the odds are in my favor with UNIX. Hey to each his own. I've already said more than I wanted. For what it's worth to the OP I'm waiting for my i7 iMac as well.
Sincerely,
Bill Gates.
Anyone care to hazard a guess as to how the I5's and I7's will perform on the typical benchmarks, compared to a 3.06 iMac?
The server had two application ports exposed to the network - there was no other way into the machine. Total, absolute firewall except for those two ports.
How do viruses, worms and other malware enter a system?
- A user lets them in by clicking OK in a web or email dialog
- They attack an exposed port looking for vulnerabilities in the port listener
No users, no exposed ports. The risk is almost zero. A bug in Windows file sharing - irrelevant, the code for file sharing isn't even installed because it's not needed (see "server roles"). I'm not "exposed to viruses" that only affect code that isn't even installed or running on my server.
Note that a second NIC on a secure network is needed to manage the machine. That's key to running safely without AV or regular updates - if you manage the system via the public NIC you'd better be wearing protection.
Ok, so when you go buy your next computer, take an ohm meter and check and measure the capacitors. Or you could just skip that part and look for the obvious queues. Couple that with some comon senese and you might be able to make a good decision.
Really? Industrial equipment is the best you can get for home computers? Really?
I never said "looks"...I said "tolerances", fit/finish, etc...
Wakashizuma said:
Yet again the troll proves his utter ignorance.
"90%" of people do not "choose" anything of the kind.
Most people are given a Windoze box by their company IT department which is too stupid, lazy, or scared to have Macs or know how to use them. Many other people stick to what they know and/or buy garbage because it looks cheaper on the price sticker (but isn't in the long run).
Those with more than one braincell buy Macs (and in business save money by getting rid of half their IT department).
No offense, but if you are doing that seriously....you should be buying a Mac Pro...right equipment for the job. If you choose to use an iMac, you know what you are getting yourself into....
For me, I would rather pay 6,000 for a serious video editing station...and I can attest that we are replacing Dell towers that we have in our editing environment too....the price is comparable to a monster tower from Dell. The Dells run Adobe CS3 with Premiere...the Macs run that...and Final Cut Pro
....-Mike
Can you read? I quoted someone who was commenting on that very subject. Regardless of whether it was intended or not, he voiced his opinion here, I don't think answering it in another thread would be such a great idea.
Missed the point. Most of the people you are calling trolls are Mac users too. They simply don't put their faith in Apple alone and won't allow fanboys to get too drunk on the Kool Aid.
Those consoles provide a different (and in my opinion inferior) experience to PC gaming. There are certain types of game where keyboard and mouse are just much better control systems. PC games offer more customisation. PC games have better graphics and sound.
Good for you but I would guess that you are a small business. For much larger businesses Apple doesn't really scale so well. Also the amount of spam is down to your filtering software which tends to be third party, not MS.
I think if Apple's computers met most peoples' needs they would have more than 5% marketshare worldwide.
They are low powered because they are intended mainly just for web surfing. Whats the point of having a Core 2 Duo processor and 4GB of RAM if all you want to do is surf the web and do some word processing? The screens are 10-12" by the way, thats ok for the tasks I described above for short periods of time, which is exactly how a netbook will be used. Low cost does not mean low quality, that is a falsehood clung to by so many people who like to believe that since they paid more they must be getting something better. That isn't always the case since there are always those who will charge more for a name.
I've heard these reports too, but never have I seen them myself. When I do see PCs that slow down I see machines that haven't got up to date antivirus and usually the user has been to some less than trustworthy websites. Or they are the machine of some user that has installed as many stupid screensavers, fonts, smilies, printer software, mobile phone software, filesharing software as they could find.I had a guy come round my house last week complaining about his 2 year old Sony Vaio because you'd click something and wait for ages wondering if you'd clicked something (even though you really knew you had). I remember those days, the infamous "Windows slowdown for no reason other than you've had the computer in use for several months". No matter how hard you tried to clean it up, you'd wonder if you should clear it down and re-install to get the speed back.
I built a PC for my father's friends and in 5 years I had to help them with it twice. Once was a virus because they had failed to renew a subscription. Fixed in a couple of hours. The second was when the motherboard failed and I got them a new one. Its still running, hasn't slowed down, despite them living with the registy. The initial cost of building that machine was £300 including my time and the cost of repairs over that time was about £100. Would anyone like to make a stab at estimating what the total cost of ownership is?
Yeah, I'm not too impressed with the core i7 cinebench numbers on the imac (over 15000) compared to a previous gen mac Pro 8 core 2.8 (over 18000 and more ram slots).
If budget is your concern, at this point you can pick up a prev gen mac pro used for $2000. Of course, you don't get a display, but I want rendering power. If I didn't already have two monitors the iMac would be really, really appealing.
For me, I would rather pay 6,000 for a serious video editing station...and I can attest that we are replacing Dell towers that we have in our editing environment too....the price is comparable to a monster tower from Dell. The Dells run Adobe CS3 with Premiere...the Macs run that...and Final Cut Pro
Do the video apps really take advantage of all the processors? I don't edit as much video in FCP anymore. I use more After Effects for bigger shots, but at least that app uses my CPU power.
I'm sorry
to butt in on your constant warring between windows and macs but who actually cares which is better when it really all boils down to preference?
and on a lighter note i ordered my 27 inch i7 quad-core on the 27th and got a shipping date of the 14th about an hour or so ago. so i should have it by sometime this coming week?
ohh and im in the uk
to butt in on your constant warring between windows and macs but who actually cares which is better when it really all boils down to preference?
and on a lighter note i ordered my 27 inch i7 quad-core on the 27th and got a shipping date of the 14th about an hour or so ago. so i should have it by sometime this coming week?
ohh and im in the uk