Intel Core i5 Quad-Core iMac Begins Shipping

[gnasher729]

Considering over 90% of the world purchase and choose Windows over Macs on a daily basis and world's biggest corporations run their company on PCs, I'd say it appears than an overwhelmingly large number of people in the world choose a proper hardware over an obsolete overpriced piece of a computer even if it has a quality IPS screen because you know people do stuff with their computer and want to be fast rather staring at a screen

Are you talking about people who use their computers for nothing but running benchmarks, and then they print out the benchmark results because they don't want to look at the screen?

Yes, that is a category of customers that is badly neglected by Apple.

 

[superlatic]

the imac 27 has a 27" inch screen IPS dont you no what is IPS?? its quality , its professional hardware and its a piece of design and a great os. not cheap crap like pcs.

Like the same cheap crap inside the new white macbooks? That can be found inside a £400 PC Laptop, only apple charge more or less double the price?

Fair enough, you look at the latest Dell all in one and you have a 9600GT with 512mb, but compare the specs of a Mac Pro tower and a PC tower with the same prices and I would bet a large amount of money you would find the PC has more powerful/up to date hardware.

And before anyone replies I am not a PC fanboy, my home machine is an iMac 7.1, just over two years old, and I haven't had a single problem with it, and since yesterday am the proud owner of a lenovo thinkpad T400 with Windows 7 Professional.

 

[gnasher729]

PC design doesn't exist ? PCs come in hundreds if not thousands of different configuration and case designs that come in new colors and varieties practically every month. The four Apple computers have had the same, boring, stale look for three years. Where's that much talked about innovation ?

We were not talking about different shapes and colours, we were talking about design. And no, PC design doesn't exist.

For a real shock to the system, the PC lovers who build computers for $1K should visit www.apple.com/ukstore. There you can buy a Mulberry carrying bag for your MacBook for just £750. Now that's a christmas present for the wife or girlfriend; if you buy her one of those she might not complain about the ugly computer that you built yourself.

(PS. It doesn't have to be a computer carrying bag; any Mulberry bag will go down very well. )

 

[Emiku]

My i7 has shipped (EU)

Just got a mail from apple, my iMac i7 just shipped today.

- Emiku

 

[jimmyjoemccrow]

Why would you want to run Office 2007?

Name the Mac alternative. Apple doesn't have anything as good as Office. Even the Mac version of Office isn't as good as the Windows version. Are you going to complain about the ribbon like 99% of the uneducated users who gave up when they couldn't find the menus? The menus are still there, just replaced by a ribbon which takes maybe a couple of hours to get used to by any but the most obtuse user.

Your Oracle example is dreadful and hopelessly biased.

Hahaha, nice one kb27973, so funny, its like all the Microsoft Boys that troll threads in this forum, they are so blinkered to Microsoft software, they think we all really need / want it.

When I first migrated to MAC's, I used MS Office for Mac for a year because I blindly thought I should stick to what I know and I had used MS Office since its inception. Since dumping it in its entirety and have never needed to use it again even when receiving files from other people.

Its a real shame most of the MS Trolls that destroy many threads, spout useless information about software & hardware without any real evidence of using a MAC properly.

Even those that have partially used Mac's without making the break from the PC & MS software will struggle to see the benefits most of us realise when we have cut the MS strings completely!

I have found even a Mac experimenter (who intends falling back on a PC because they are too lazy to find (often better s/w alternatives)) are rarely qualified to preach either!!

Basically come back and talk to me when you have lived with a total Mac environment for a few months without having to use a PC for anything (like I have) and then I'll listen to your gripes (if you have any) but if your a pretender (that has even used a Mac) but still goes back to their PC to use software you know, then you haven't spent any time really trying to substitute the Mac, you probably have not spent any time tweaking the interface properly to serve you needs, so you have no business trying to tell me squat

P.S.
I started out in the tech business before the first PC came out with just floppy drives. Yes, I used pre PC systems with 7" floppy disks. I've seen it all come and some of it go, so No you cannot preach anything to me about how great PC's are or how great Microsoft is PERIOD!!

Most of the Apple trolls (and they are trolls even if the forum is about Apple) post without having properly tried Windows 7 or Office 2007 and just reproduce the nonsense they see on blogs or forums. The people you are calling MS trolls more often than not are simply using what they find to be the best tool for the job. And whats more, many people would find it impossible to go entirely PC free because the Mac environment doesn't provide the solution that fits their needs. Its simply lying to say that a Mac environment can reproduce anything in the Windows environment. For a start there are games, Apple doesn't produce a gaming machine that doesn't cost twice as much as can be found in the PC environment, and if you do buy that machine you will need to reboot into Windows anyway because OSX has very few games for it.

Apple makes nods to the business environment but they can't really compete with Microsoft's offerings in terms of features and contol. Then there are all the custom developed bits of software that companies would have to migrate if they switched to Macs. The cost of developing it new, from scratch does not compare favourably to the cost of fixing it if Windows upgrades break features.

There are huge gaps in Apple's hardware range. They don't produce any netbook (sneared at by Apple's snobbish fans but adored by the rest of the world) and they don't produce a tower that isn't a workstation.

All these factors force people to use products by Apple's competitors. It has nothing to do with being a fanboy. The fanboy sticks religiously to one company's products and is blind to their faults, even if they drive him nuts every day. It is simpler for the fanboy to continue to use the products he has poured so much adoration on in the past than for him to admit that there might be a better option from a competitor. Yes MS have their fanboys too, but most of the people I see you calling trolls are actually people who use Macs but are frustrated by Apple's failings.

 

[Isarius]

Just to point out that nobody was asked in this thread to comment on the superiority of one OS/Computer over another. The one and only question was and still is: are the quadcore iMacs shipping. Anything other than an answer to that question IS IRRELEVANT!

(Quite apart from the fact that I permit nobody to tell me, without previously having been asked by me, what computer I should buy or not - it's simply none of their business)

Anyway, have any i7s been shipped to Germany yet? (Oh, don't jump to the wrong conclusion: I am not German, I just happen to live here)

 

[jb1280]

There are huge gaps in Apple's hardware range. They don't produce any netbook (sneared at by Apple's snobbish fans but adored by the rest of the world) and they don't produce a tower that isn't a workstation.

All these factors force people to use products by Apple's competitors. It has nothing to do with being a fanboy. The fanboy sticks religiously to one company's products and is blind to their faults, even if they drive him nuts every day. It is simpler for the fanboy to continue to use the products he has poured so much adoration on in the past than for him to admit that there might be a better option from a competitor. Yes MS have their fanboys too, but most of the people I see you calling trolls are actually people who use Macs but are frustrated by Apple's failings.

The same group of people who complain about a lack of netbook or tower would probably be the same people who complain about what an Apple netbook or tower doesn't have compared to competition.

Individuals claim that is bad that Apple does not enter the market in these two areas. They claim that this forces people to Apple's competition. In a strict sense, Apple isn't in that part of the competition.

Aside from not making the sort of machine you, or someone might personally want, nobody has actually made a cogent argument why Apple should make a netbook or tower.

So if you, or anyone, had 20 minutes in Cupertino, how would you make a case as to why Apple should enter those two areas?

For the record, I really don't care what people choose. I also don't really care what a company does or doesn't do. Personally, I would never ever buy a netbook because the keyboards/displays I find useless. I would also never buy a tower since I never expand parts besides memory/drives.

 

[Shivetya]

Why would you want to run Office 2007?

because I have a real job?

 

[musukosan]

i7 shipped!

Just noticed that my i7 has been shipped through FedEx from Shanghai. Due to arrive on the 16th (US). Yippee!

 

[mrballer]

Ditto on the i7 Shipping!

After getting home last night and reading pages of the related (and not-so-related) postings, it was like Christmas to wake up to the news that my i7 has also shipped. From China to Canada.

The wait begins.

 

[pavger]

My 27" Core i7 has finally shipped! It's supposed to come on the 16th.

 

[AIDO15]

Just got a message that my i7 has shipped, should be here by the 17th at the latest.

 

[WATCHDOG]

+++

Anti-ism has become worse than Global Warming Denial!

Yes, fer surely, Constructive Critiques are necessary, However:

The constant-contentiousness
by the usual anti- troll suspects
should be disallowed by the powers-that-be <aka The Moderator>
on the grounds that:
after we've all Heard the same WHINE 10,000X already,
it only serves to become counter-productive to the various Questions
of those who either own - or will be purchasing -> a Mac!

An anti- WHINE Limit should be set.. !

Repeating the same WHINE 3X within any given 1 week period,
should earn said perp a one-way ticket to their Recycle Bin..!

Hear! Hear! Yahhhhhhhh!

+++

 

[jimmyjoemccrow]

The same group of people who complain about a lack of netbook or tower would probably be the same people who complain about what an Apple netbook or tower doesn't have compared to competition.

Individuals claim that is bad that Apple does not enter the market in these two areas. They claim that this forces people to Apple's competition. In a strict sense, Apple isn't in that part of the competition.

Aside from not making the sort of machine you, or someone might personally want, nobody has actually made a cogent argument why Apple should make a netbook or tower.

So if you, or anyone, had 20 minutes in Cupertino, how would you make a case as to why Apple should enter those two areas?

For the record, I really don't care what people choose. I also don't really care what a company does or doesn't do. Personally, I would never ever buy a netbook because the keyboards/displays I find useless. I would also never buy a tower since I never expand parts besides memory/drives.

The cogent arguments have been made here many times, but are ignored by those who can't think for themselves and would rather follow Apple's mantras. You are a good case in point, you are dismissing my argument as simply a representation of my own personal desires, when in fact it represents the desires of a large percentage of the computer using population. However Apple stick two fingers up at that percentage because their business model relies on them being seen as elite, as something different from normal PCs. Not all of us fall for this illusion and we have a right to voice our opinions on forums such as these.

This site is often described as an Apple fansite, but not all of us think that liking Apple's products means that they are above criticism, or being a fan means you have to hate other companies products. I am posting from an old G4 iBook which was probably my favourite machine because of its size and the fact that it met my needs for websurfing and portability. However it won't run the latest Apple OS and its motherboard is failing meaning I can't carry it around any more. What am I going to replace it with? A Macbook which will cost 800pounds but is completely overkill for my needs? An iPhone which doesn't have a keyboard or screen big enough for anything but the most basic of browsing? I couldn't make this post from an iPhone without spending forever tapping away.

Do a search on these forums for cogent arguments but I bet you will dismiss them as "beneath Apple".

 

[Groovsonic]

Like the same cheap crap inside the new white macbooks? That can be found inside a £400 PC Laptop, only apple charge more or less double the price?

Fair enough, you look at the latest Dell all in one and you have a 9600GT with 512mb, but compare the specs of a Mac Pro tower and a PC tower with the same prices and I would bet a large amount of money you would find the PC has more powerful/up to date hardware.

And before anyone replies I am not a PC fanboy, my home machine is an iMac 7.1, just over two years old, and I haven't had a single problem with it, and since yesterday am the proud owner of a lenovo thinkpad T400 with Windows 7 Professional.

I know this is only circumstantial evidence, and I know that this is inviting people to say "yeah, well I can build a 16 core 4ghz beast with 56gb of ram and 6 video cards for $137"... but we recently purchased a new machine for the video guy in my office. We spec'd out a mac pro, and a dell tower. After comparing the two with as many things being equal as possible, the mac pro actually came out cheaper . So we ordered the mac. Truth is, even if the dell would have been cheaper, we would have ordered the mac!

I know no one will believe me, but it's true. This may not be true in all cases, but with the specs we were looking for, it was actually cheaper to buy the mac.

 

[Groovsonic]

Oh, and just to be on topic, when they ordered the video guy his new mac pro, they also ordered me a 27 i5 iMac to run Logic. I am so excited... but I haven't heard when its coming in yet.

 

[Isarius]

The cogent arguments have been made here many times, but are ignored by those who can't think for themselves and would rather follow Apple's mantras. Blah Blah Blah ...
......

Do a search on these forums for cogent arguments but I bet you will dismiss them as "beneath Apple".

Can you read?

Nobody was asked to comment in this thread on the superiority of one OS/Computer over another. The one and only question was and still is: are the quadcore iMacs shipping. Anything other than an answer to that question IS IRRELEVANT!

Gedditt?????

 

[kb27973]

because I have a real job?

If your job is running Office 2007 all I can say is... I'm sorry.

 

[kb27973]

Your Oracle example is dreadful and hopelessly biased.

Why is it dreadfull? I have actually administered an Enterprise database on Windows and I can tell you it can't handle it. Period. Not unless you are willing to accept a lot of downtime. Patch, reboot, patch, reboot, patch, reboot. Don't even get me started on the stinking virus scanner....

 

[twoodcc]

so has anyone got theirs yet?

 

[AidenShaw]

Originally Posted by jimmyjoemccrow
Your Oracle example is dreadful and hopelessly biased.

Why is it dreadfull? I have actually administered an Enterprise database on Windows and I can tell you it can't handle it. Period. Not unless you are willing to accept a lot of downtime. Patch, reboot, patch, reboot, patch, reboot. Don't even get me started on the stinking virus scanner....

You run antivirus on a database machine?

I had a similar production system that was outside the firewall, and it hit 356 days of uptime when the server was swapped out for a more powerful one.

No antivirus, no patches to Windows - it just ran and ran even though it was directly connected to the internet.

The secret - follow "best practices" and only open exactly the minimum set of ports to the outside. Handle management with an out-of-band NIC (we use a separate VPN to access the system - only the application is visible from the outside).

Since the majority of security problems today involve getting the user to click "OK" on a webpage or email message - a server without a surfer or email is simply safe from the majority of attack vectors.

UNIX/Apple/Windows - this is just common sense.

 

[flynz4]

Just got a mail from apple, my iMac i7 just shipped today.

- Emiku

I just ordered my i7 last night with the 2TB drive. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to ship a new order... and I will try to remember to post info here so others will know. This is a Christmas present... so I am not in a hurry.

I am extremely disappointed that an SSD option was not available. Ideally, the iMac would have been available with a small (~200-300GB) SSD for the OS and apps... along with a larger hard drive (~1 - 2 TB) for data and media. I am still a bit amazed (shocked) that I am buying a computer with a traditional HDD. I just seems so backwards after having 3 laptops and one desktop that used SSDs. I am willing to bet that within a few months, I will open the iMac, replace the drive with an SSD for the OS/apps, and move my media to a firewire drive, or the home server. This is it... I will never again consider another computer without an SSD going forward.

/Jim

 

[sbarton]

Man some of you guys make me embarrassed to use a mac.

Apple hardware is certainly no better than PC hardware. My 1k PC kicks the pants off a 3k mac pro, both performance and hardware quality wise (of course I built it myself).

OSX is no better than Windows 7, in general, and in many ways is quite a bit behind.

Really? I'd like to see the PC that you engineered with off the shelf parts that is better "quality wise" than a MacPro. Even the best custom PC's I've seen falls short in a direct comparison. Have you ever even seen the inside of a MacPro?

OSX is about 30% "better" than Windows 7 from an user interface standpoint. The control panel is still a rats nest of disparate controls and unorganized chaos and the rest of the system isn't much better.

I have been evaluating Win7 side by side OSX for quite some time now. There are still many bugs in Windows7 despite what the fanboys may have told you. You need a considerable amount of time and add-on products to bring a fresh Windows 7 install anywhere near the quality and completeness of an out-of-the box OSX install. And even then, you may experience problems with things like sleep/hibernation, graphics glitches, half-functioning sound hardware, etc.

No, Windows 7 remains the "family truckster" of operating systems, which is ok if thats all you need, but don't go claiming quality where it doesn't exist.

 

[AidenShaw]

Really? I'd like to see the PC that you engineered with off the shelf parts that is better "quality wise" than a MacPro. Even the best custom PC's I've seen falls short in a direct comparison.

Have you ever even seen the inside of a MacPro?

How can you "see" quality?

You can see fashion, design, style - certainly.

But "quality"? I think that's something you can recognize without removing the covers to the machine. "Quality" is reliability, value, usefulness.

Not fashion.

 

[MorphingDragon]

How can you "see" quality?

You can see fashion, design, style - certainly.

But "quality"? I think that's something you can recognize without removing the covers to the machine. "Quality" is reliability, value, usefulness.

Not fashion.

This may sound odd but I can tell the quality of a computer from its smell. I spent so much time building all sorts of computers a sniff can tell me all sorts of things. Like a bad power supply will always have a particular smell, it smells like a combination between brown smell and aluminium cans.

Sniiiiiiiiiiiif, Oui he he he.