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only apple gets them in april...why? intels way of telling microsoft/pc makers that there move to arm cpu will cost them!
 
Did anyone actually believe the Pro/iMac/Minis were going to be released soon?

The iMacs and Minis will release around summer. The MacPro will be lucky to see a release before fall despite being way overdue.
 
And some people out there still naively think that Apple isn't planning MacBook Airs with ARM CPUs.

There's no hurry, of course. Intel-based MBAs are selling like hotcakes and the Ultrabook herd have no response. "Flummoxed," as Steve would say. But Apple has been at the mercy of Motorola and IBM for PowerPC CPUs before. And they've been burned badly. Twice burned, thrice shy.

Depending on a single 3rd party for CPUs, or any crucial component, means that Apple doesn't control their destiny. Motorola dragged their feet fixing PowerPC bugs and ramping up clock speeds. Motorola and IBM ran into the clock speed and operating temperature walls. Apple suffered through that for years, and Steve had to admit in the middle of one of his MWSF keynotes that the PowerPC didn't reach the 3GHz that he had promised. Two years after that, they still hadn't reached 3GHz. That was just before Apple switched Macs to Intel.

There was a brief Apple-Intel honeymoon, when Intel built custom chips for Apple (ironically for the original MacBook Air) and gave Apple early exclusivity on speed-bumped CPUs and chipsets. But the honeymoon was over by the time Apple picked ARM for iPhone and all iOS devices. There were far too many advantages to using ARM SoCs over the power-hungry Intel Atom CPUs. Intel was left behind in the mobile space, and they may never catch up.

ARM-based MacBook Airs would also benefit from using ARM chips. The MBA would extend its technical and competitive advantages: lower cost, lower power consumption, increased battery life, and cooler and quieter fanless operation. All of which Intel and their partners will be very hard-pressed to replicate.

What's that? You say ARM MacBook Airs won't run Windows? Well exactly how many consumers run Windows on their MacBook Airs right now? And would it be worth delaying the ARM transition for that tiny minority? I say no.

The vast majority of MBA owners use their MBAs for surfing, email, tweeting, texting, iLife, and iWork. (It is, after all, Apple's cheapest all-in-one Mac line, and therefore the mass market line.) An ARM-based MBA will be able to handle that easily with a little more development. A quad-core ARM chip of sufficient clock speed should be enough. And guess what. The iPad 3 just might have a quad-core ARM SoC. And if not this year, next year for sure. Remember: Apple isn't in a big hurry.

I'm sure Tim Cook has done the math. There's a Keynote slide, on an iPad somewhere in Cupertino, with a graph that shows exactly when ARM chips all be powerful enough to run OS X, and its suite of apps, on MacBook Airs. It's just a matter of time.

http://www.cultofmac.com/144942/why-youll-probably-never-own-a-mac-with-an-arm-processor-feature/

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Also, please note that neither motorola nor IBM were developing market leading processors at any point. Intel is. Intel is currently behind in mobile, but is light-years ahead of ARM in the desktop/laptop space.
 
Back in the early summer 2011, I am pretty sure I read reports that Intel planned to release Ivy Bridge as early as Q4 2011. And now they delay it to summer 2012. Hope this doesn't delay any Apple products... because I am tired of waiting.
 
Oh, for f%$!'s sake...

... way to miss another deadline, Intel. The Valve of the hardware business...
 
I suspect that Apple may have contracted with Intel for exclusive access to the first few months' production.
 
Just got another mac mini a couple weeks ago, was it still a good buy? Mini's will probably be the last to be updated probably aug 2012
I guess this makes me feel a bit better. Aso if this is true then the MBPs won't be updated until July 2012? :/
 
It saddens me the way some consumers now act. Firstly remember when Apple use to keep old CPU in their products?? Sandy bridge is just over a year old yet people are holding of for Ivy bridge iMacs? Why? When the benifits are just mostly for the MacBook Air/MB-pro/laptops.

Average users holding out just to say they have 2012 iMac when the current generations is more than sufficient for them is very silly.

Real pros will/would just go out and buy what was out as they would need to be productive & waiting would mean no money. The current iMacs are great and super if it BTO. Go and buy your mac if you need it. Doubt a redesign will happen and Ivy benifits will be minimal in iMacs. Down vote me for truth, don't care.
 
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So say the Ivy Bridge processors do not come out until June 2012, Haswell will only be 7 months or 8 months away? :(
 
My Mac Pro and MacBook Air would like revisions. Thanks Intel...:rolleyes:

Uh ? Why would you buy Ivy Bridge, it's just a stop gap measure until Haswell anyhow, which will really blow your socks off! But wait, don't buy that either, because then Broadwell will be just around the corner. Of course, putting your money into that would be ludicrous, as Skylake will be so much better, but then again, not as good as Skymont after that.

In fact, I wouldn't buy anything, ever if I were you.
 
Just got another mac mini a couple weeks ago, was it still a good buy? Mini's will probably be the last to be updated probably aug 2012

It was a great buy. These new processor/chipset announcements really don't make that much of a difference in the middle of the line up. In fact, you probably got a pretty good deal in terms of capabilities per $ spent.

Things like Ivy Bridge have the biggest impact on machines at the high-end, like the Mac Pro's, top of the line iMac's, or top of the line MacBook Pros.

I think your timing was good.
 
Uh ? Why would you buy Ivy Bridge, it's just a stop gap measure until Haswell anyhow, which will really blow your socks off! But wait, don't buy that either, because then Broadwell will be just around the corner. Of course, putting your money into that would be ludicrous, as Skylake will be so much better, but then again, not as good as Skymont after that.

In fact, I wouldn't buy anything, ever if I were you.
That's what I'm thinking. I thought Ivy Bridge would be released in April 2012 which isn't that far off. But how do we know that Ivy Bridge won't be out until June? I guess we'll see in so many weeks.
 
It saddens me the way some consumers now act. Firstly remember when Apple use to keep old CPU in their products?? Sandy bridge is just over a year old yet people are holding of for Ivy bridge iMacs? Why? When the benifits are just mostly for the MacBook Air/MB-pro/laptops.

Average users holding out just to say they have 2012 iMac when the current generations is more than sufficient for them is very silly.

Real pros will/would just go out and buy what was out as they would need to be productive & wsiting would mean no money. The current iMacs are great and super if it BTO. Go and buy your mac if you need it. Doubt a redesign will happen and Ivy benifits will be minimal in iMacs. Down vote me for truth, don't care.

its not about a cpu, its about an update (usb3, new gpus, new design etc), and apple wont update macs without new cpus.
 
You're kidding me right..? They may as well just not release it then. Why all the wait for what's only meant to be a 20% increase in power.
 
ARM-based MacBook Airs would also benefit from using ARM chips...
All of which Intel and their partners will be very hard-pressed to replicate.

How can people post stuff like this, trying to sound "informed" and "educated", when in fact, they don't really have a clue about what they are talking about ?

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A little bit of Googling would have saved you a lot of embarassement there...

The fact is, the ARM processors run cool, fanless and have low power consumption because they are very much less capable than Intel's x86_64 line-up. Make a 64 bit ARM processor capable of running the same amount of instructions per clock, with the same number of cores as the Intel stuff, running at the same clock speeds with the same variable clock frequencies (turbo boost included), and you'll end up with... well... something less efficient than Intel's stuff.

Intel can make ARM processors, they have in the past. If it comes to that, they can do a 180 and start producing ARM themselves and remain relevant and in business. ARM right now doesn't make "desktop/laptop" chips on Intel's level, much less AMD's level. Also, ATOM and AMD's APU platform are catching up to ARM's efficiency while still being more capable at churning out instructions.
 
Uh ? Why would you buy Ivy Bridge, it's just a stop gap measure until Haswell anyhow, which will really blow your socks off! But wait, don't buy that either, because then Broadwell will be just around the corner. Of course, putting your money into that would be ludicrous, as Skylake will be so much better, but then again, not as good as Skymont after that.

In fact, I wouldn't buy anything, ever if I were you.

I think you - and the other apologists - are being rather unreasonable here. Not that you don't have a point, but you've gone too far with it.

It's perfectly sensible to wait for a couple of months if you're spending hundreds/thousands on something that you reasonably believe is about to be improved. If someone were to buy an iPad 2 now, I would consider that flat-out idiotic with iPad 3 due in under a month. Even if that person needs one now (not that anybody really "needs" an iPad, in my opinion...), I would advise that he/she find an interim solution and wait for the update. To do otherwise would simply be throwing money away.


And whether or not we can agree on that, I'm nonetheless pissed-off with Intel because they've missed at least three CPU deadlines in the last eighteen months. If they don't know when a chip's gonna be ready, they should keep their mouths shut. If they do know, but keep getting it wrong, then this persistent incompetence deserves criticism. As we are seeing in this thread, and many others, consumers pay attention to these purported deadlines and shape their buying behaviour accordingly. They're letting people down.
 
I think you - and the other apologists - are being rather unreasonable here. Not that you don't have a point, but you've gone too far with it.

Apologist what ? I don't care about Intel, their deadlines or whatever, I'm just saying at the level of machines we have, rather than shopping based on what "can be improved", shop on "what you need for now and the foreseable future". Shopping based on needs instead of wants will save you both time waiting and money.

And if you can wait, you probably don't need the improvements in the first place. So just go ahead and buy a current generation machine if you really want to spend and are a sad panda being left waiting.

My point was much broader than just this "Intel update". I'd tell you the same thing no matter the vendor. I'm neither an apologist or a fan of anything, just an objective observer.
 
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