Come back in 2023, when Intel still hasn't released their 7nm parts...and the now meme-able 10nm+++ architecture takes hold....
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Even AnandTech says the same thing in today's article about the delay:
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Intel Delays 7-Nanometer Chips Until Late 2022 or Early 2023
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Come back in 2023, when Intel still hasn't released their 7nm parts...and the now meme-able 10nm+++ architecture takes hold....
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Even AnandTech says the same thing in today's article about the delay:
This is well documented for the 16" MBP's.
Same here MacBook Pro 16 with not even the fastest processor and a 43in 4K display and my machine does not even break a sweat.
I actually just recently sold my FDIV error keychain on eBay.
Never bet against Apple.
If this chip thing doesn’t work out for them, they can get into the keychain business. Sounds like they have lifetime supply.
I doubt it. Apple hopes to have all its macs transitioned to ARM by 2022. We might get one more Intel update this autumn on the desktops but that’s likely the last one and Apple will milk it until their arm updates are ready.
Wow over 25000 multi-core scoreRecent benchmarks indicate that Intel's Tiger Lake may be far superior to AMD's Renoir U in terms of single core performance, and a 4-core Tiger Lake may be almost as fast as an 8-Core Renoir. It will be interesting to see how Apple's ARM CPUs fit into the picture ...
Intel Core i7-1165G7 10nm CPU Benchmarked, Up To 30% Faster Than AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U 7nm CPU in Single-Threaded Workloads
Intel's 10nm Tiger Lake Core i7-1165G7 CPU has been benchmarked against the AMD Ryzen 7 4800U 7nm CPU showcasing a lead of up to 20%.wccftech.com
Yep that confirms it. ARM and AMD are the future. Bye bye intel, it was nice knowing you
Having been in the videogames industry for more than a decade+ now and having seen tons of studios close, re-shuffle or strip down to be ‘reborn’ again, I can say that this behavior is downright denial, annoying at best and frustrating at worst.
Managers and high positions are the last ones to fire themselves, so much so that sometimes companies have to close because there are way more producers, “pipeline optimizers”, efficiency experts, managers, etc than the technically skilled ones, a complete inverse pyramid. “We are not making money because we have too many programmers, they are expensive, we have to be more LEAN” or your pick of the buzzword of the day.
It’s always about “processes”, “graphs tasks burn rates”, panicking when of course the impossible deadline looks unachievable when they see the ideal burn rate diverging from the current one, the fix is more meetings to discuss about it and continue on the next meetings...
And there you go, 2 years later for the 7nm. Heck, maybe should have skipped the 10nm altogether then (if that’s doable).
TSM has a higher market cap than Intel so not really possible
While Intel is busy being politically correct, all the talented people are leaving and being replaced with very low performing people that help them tick a box. Intel gets what they deserve.
You're right. However, Apple isn't at the A12, it's at the A14 this year, so your "couple more generations" has already happened and will be in the shops this year.
By all means, point it out and call it. Genuinely curious.
For those who are telling Intel to dump x86, let's reflect on why Itanium was casually referred to unironically as "Itanic" in the press for years.
Recent benchmarks indicate that Intel's Tiger Lake may be far superior to AMD's Renoir U in terms of single core performance, and a 4-core Tiger Lake may be almost as fast as an 8-Core Renoir. It will be interesting to see how Apple's ARM CPUs fit into the picture ...
Intel Core i7-1165G7 10nm CPU Benchmarked, Up To 30% Faster Than AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U 7nm CPU in Single-Threaded Workloads
Intel's 10nm Tiger Lake Core i7-1165G7 CPU has been benchmarked against the AMD Ryzen 7 4800U 7nm CPU showcasing a lead of up to 20%.
I question the comparisons in this article... I just bought my wife a Lenovo laptop with Ryzen 4800U onboard and it’s priced below the same model with an i5-10210U and no discrete graphics card (the more expensive intel models are paired with an MX350).
In terms of pricing and consumer perspective, there’s no way that the i5 is a competitor to the 4700U. It’ll be more expensive than the 4800U.
The pathetic and inevitable result of focusing a business on quarterly financial targets rather than 10-year innovation roadmaps. I’ve been a loyal customer, seller, and enthusiast of Intel solutions for decades, and watching them decay into resigned stagnation makes me truly ashamed for them. Plaudits for Apple in taking the lead in driving their partners in the photolithography space. Long live Apple bespoke silicon solutions.
Moreover those 2 year old A12s from an iPad Pro already beat a lot of the current intel chips in pure performance as well as power usage (and thus heat generation) at the same time That opens up so many more avenues to design around than what Intel offered them.
So, what apple needs to focus on is a dual track:
- get the rest of the system they need in place that they would normally come from Intel: (TB3 (or better: TB4), tons of PCIe lanes, ...)
- get the scaling to much higher core count in place (that's a bit more complex than just adding them on the silicon).
I'm sure Apple has the brains in house to know how hard that is going to be to perform for them, so if they're confident enoough to makethe switch, I'd assume they already have a good amount of headway in place in their labs.
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so just like every other thread
Apple has often been a trend setter, making moves that others were too scared to make. IE, removing various ports from their devices.
I wonder if other companies, seeing Apple move away from Intel, will feel similarly emboldened to abandon Intel? Linux and Windows can both run on ARM already... why haven't we seen more actual laptops (not net/chrome books), servers (not just raspberry pis) and desktops that use it?
Exactly.
It'll be exciting to see what Apple comes up with... and to see how (or if) other companies respond.
Apple has been in charge of their own chips for a while now... but Dell, Lenovo, HP and the other PC manufacturers don't have that luxury.
Will those companies stick with Intel? Or switch to AMD? Or beg Qualcomm to come up with an ARM competitor?
Exciting times for sure.
How the mighty have fallen. 15-20 years ago I would’ve never thought it possible that Intel would be crashing and burning.