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Intel Delays Montevina Platform to July 14th

tenks said:
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Apple has never used Intel wireless cards..Ive said it before and I will say it again, the Monte delay doesn't effect Apple, in the very least not the MBP..

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It would be great if it indeed doesn't effect Apple.

But in terms of "sources" I'd rather stay with pretty much official declarations like this one, instead of giving any credit to the Inquirer.

On July 14, the first PM chipsets (which use discrete graphics processors) will appear, along with Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme Mobile CPUs. GM chipsets (integrated graphics) won't hit the market until August, as the spokesperson said Intel needs to rescreen all of the Montevina integrated graphics chipsets.
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It is still unknown if Apple planned to update the MBP/MB/Mac mini in the coming weeks and what chips they needed to do so or if they already asked Intel for custom chips like those of the current iMac, but:

If Apple planned to use the regular Montevina cpus, northbridges and southbridges, I don't think we'll see those computers before mid-July for the MBP and mid-August for the MB/Mac mini. Whatever other wireless module Apple uses.
 
With no case redesign, who cares

The new processor would seem nice, but for 90% of what people use a laptop for (surfing, MS office, etc.), who really cares.

If the case was being changed, it would be more to me.

Also, to me the only issue on computers these days is video graphics (if it is windows integrated, it won't be great). Unless this is going to change, further reason I don't worry so much on the deal.

Also, if they are going to offer another rebate on a new ipod or something, will add to the attraction of either the existing mb or a slightly upgraded one with this new chip.
 
NYCMacFan said:
The new processor would seem nice, but for 90% of what people use a laptop for (surfing, MS office, etc.), who really cares.

If the case was being changed, it would be more to me.
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Isn't that the conventional thinking since this is a change in the chipset, and not just the chip? I'd be on new MBPs in a week...
 
Impatient said:
Question...Regardless of the actual reason they are holding up the shipments of the Montevina chips, the fact is that the entire line is now delayed, if apple was planning on putting these chips into their new MBP's then how does it not them?
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I actually said it many many times, but I will say it one more time. MBPs don't use integrated graphics, nor Intel's wireless chipsets. The two problems that are hampering Monte right now. And the entire line is not delayed. You can have montevina w/o the integrated graphics and wireless chipset which is precisely what Intel may end up shipping first.

mjteix said:
It would be great if it indeed doesn't effect Apple.

But in terms of "sources" I'd rather stay with pretty much official declarations like this one, instead of giving any credit to the Inquirer.



It is still unknown if Apple planned to update the MBP/MB/Mac mini in the coming weeks and what chips they needed to do so or if they already asked Intel for custom chips like those of the current iMac, but:

If Apple planned to use the regular Montevina cpus, northbridges and southbridges, I don't think we'll see those computers before mid-July for the MBP and mid-August for the MB/Mac mini. Whatever other wireless module Apple uses.
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I give credit to the Inquirer because they give real news. Who cares if they are unofficial or not or if they are called the INquirer or the Bermuda Triangle Times. They are a very reliable new sources Not-candy coated PR bs that is paid for but whatever company that gave them the NDA of the product they are reviewing. Especially if Charlie D is the source, he is such a ridiculously credible source, especially when it comes to Intel and their spinners and whats really going on. Sweet you got "official" word from Ars technica...But they reported the same thing Charlie D did on the Inqurier 2 months ago. But hey man, its official now from ars, so that makes them more credible and the news real...I mean the irony here is that your criticizing me on a rumors site about official sources...Hahaha gimme a break!
 
tenks said:
I actually said it many many times, but I will say it one more time. MBPs don't use integrated graphics, nor Intel's wireless chipsets. The two problems that are hampering Monte right now. And the entire line is not delayed. You can have montevina w/o the integrated graphics and wireless chipset which is precisely what Intel may end up shipping first.





I give credit to the Inquirer because they give real news. Who cares if they are unofficial or not or if they are called the INquirer or the Bermuda Triangle Times. They are a very reliable new sources Not-candy coated PR bs that is paid for but whatever company that gave them the NDA of the product they are reviewing. Especially if Charlie D is the source, he is such a ridiculously credible source, especially when it comes to Intel and their spinners and whats really going on. Sweet you got "official" word from Ars technica...But they reported the same thing Charlie D did on the Inqurier 2 months ago. But hey man, its official now from ars, so that makes them more credible and the news real...I mean the irony here is that your criticizing me on a rumors site about official sources...Hahaha gimme a break!
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You don't read the articles, do you?

Yeah, the Inquirer is a reliable source of tabloïd-type information like:
"You can fry an egg on a GPU"
"Intel updates gaming notebook chips: Quads at 35W and Montevina on June 22"
both by your beloved Charlie D.

Sometimes they have good information sometimes it is pure "friction"

Anyway, at least ars is reporting on what an Intel's spokesperson said (not rumors or speculation) and many other information sites are reporting the same Intel's spokesperson statement, which I will repeat here is case you missed it the first time:

On July 14, the first PM chipsets (which use discrete graphics processors) will appear, along with Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme Mobile CPUs. GM chipsets (integrated graphics) won't hit the market until August, as the spokesperson said Intel needs to rescreen all of the Montevina integrated graphics chipsets.
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And, here's another article from ITworld.com that reports on the same statement.

So, it doesn't matter if the MBP doesn't use Intel's integrated graphics or wireless modules. If Apple planned to release a MBP with Montevina-based cpus and the PM chipset, it doesn't look like they will be able to ship those before mid-July, making it unlikely for a WWDC announcement.
 
thinkband said:
Amen, I bought my macbook pro today and I absolutely LOVE it. No regrets over here.
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And others should follow this advice.

Awhile ago I was contemplating the same thing about buying a MB and I pulled the trigger even with rumors of future upgrades and I am glad that I did as the new updates didn't really add anything that I had to have nor was the speed difference anything THAT noticable. I ended up upgrading my memory a few months later for dirt cheap and it has improved my MBP tremendously

Just go for it if you want it.

You will be satisfied with what you get AND you won't be missing out on anything major, imo.
 
Impatient said:
Question...Regardless of the actual reason they are holding up the shipments of the Montevina chips, the fact is that the entire line is now delayed, if apple was planning on putting these chips into their new MBP's then how does it not them?
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It depends on what Intel is able (and willing) to ship.

The MacBook Pros do not use Intel's wireless card nor do they use Intel's integrated graphics. So if Intel is able (and willing) to ship the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets to Apple's systemboard suppliers, Apple can launch new MacBook Pros as soon as those systemboards are put into the machines.

However, Intel is also running late on the new Penryn CPUs that will work with the Montevina chipset because their fabs are behind schedule. So even if Apple can get the chips they need to build the systemboards they may not be able to get the new CPUs, as well.

Intel is likely pushing back to July to ensure that they have the new chipsets and CPUs to go into the new systemboards being built. As such, Apple may wait as well and just roll out the MPB and MB in late August/early September to catch the "Back to School" schedule.

Alas, I can't wait that long, so I am typing this on my new 15" MBP. :cool:
 
CWallace said:
It depends on what Intel is able (and willing) to ship.

The MacBook Pros do not use Intel's wireless card nor do they use Intel's integrated graphics. So if Intel is able (and willing) to ship the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets to Apple's systemboard suppliers, Apple can launch new MacBook Pros as soon as those systemboards are put into the machines.

However, Intel is also running late on the new Penryn CPUs that will work with the Montevina chipset because their fabs are behind schedule. So even if Apple can get the chips they need to build the systemboards they may not be able to get the new CPUs, as well.

Intel is likely pushing back to July to ensure that they have the new chipsets and CPUs to go into the new systemboards being built. As such, Apple may wait as well and just roll out the MPB and MB in late August/early September to catch the "Back to School" schedule.

Alas, I can't wait that long, so I am typing this on my new 15" MBP. :cool:
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Thanks for the replies. I've been patiently waiting months for WWDC for news of a redesign (or lack of news) to buy my MBP....lets hope for good news next monday
 
Actually, after thinking about it, if the new chip sets aren't available for shipping, I don't think Apple would announce anything at the WWDC. They certainly wouldn't pre-announce a new MBP and lose the sales for a month or two.

I don't think Apple would pre-announce anything, unless it was an entirely new product - like they did with the iPhone. So, given all of that, here's what I think they'll announce at the WWDC:

- new iPhone
- new Atom device (pre-announcement?)
- new ACDs

Although we're hearing about Apple's new .Mac, I'd rather hear more of Apple and Google working together to offer some types of .Mac type services. Something that links to Google contacts, calendar and mail (and tasks!) for the iPhone OS and Mac OS.
 
mjteix said:
If Apple planned to use the regular Montevina cpus, northbridges and southbridges, I don't think we'll see those computers before mid-July for the MBP and mid-August for the MB/Mac mini. Whatever other wireless module Apple uses.
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That would mean the Mini will have gone more than one whole year without an update. :eek::eek: Wouldn't surprise me.
 
mjteix said:
You don't read the articles, do you?

Yeah, the Inquirer is a reliable source of tabloïd-type information like:
"You can fry an egg on a GPU"
"Intel updates gaming notebook chips: Quads at 35W and Montevina on June 22"
both by your beloved Charlie D.

Sometimes they have good information sometimes it is pure "friction"

Anyway, at least ars is reporting on what an Intel's spokesperson said (not rumors or speculation) and many other information sites are reporting the same Intel's spokesperson statement, which I will repeat here is case you missed it the first time:



And, here's another article from ITworld.com that reports on the same statement.

So, it doesn't matter if the MBP doesn't use Intel's integrated graphics or wireless modules. If Apple planned to release a MBP with Montevina-based cpus and the PM chipset, it doesn't look like they will be able to ship those before mid-July, making it unlikely for a WWDC announcement.
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Dude, you're repeating everything I already said, this is hilarious! Anyway love how you cherry pick an article that is obviously based on humor and a tongue in cheek joke as the only way to discredit him, lol, you're pathetic. And as far as the other article you linked, you shot yourself in the foot with that one. Read the article, the CHIPS aren't delayed and are still on track for June 22 release. And by chips I mean 1066fsb Penryns. All your precious official sites also say that. But this is becoming a pointless argument...I have all the information I need and I was trying to help the misinformed who went crazy when they heard Monte got delayed. I will continue to read the real news on my site, long before your site is even allowed to think about posting it, even if they were in the loop...

CWallace said:
It depends on what Intel is able (and willing) to ship.

The MacBook Pros do not use Intel's wireless card nor do they use Intel's integrated graphics. So if Intel is able (and willing) to ship the Northbridge and Southbridge chipsets to Apple's systemboard suppliers, Apple can launch new MacBook Pros as soon as those systemboards are put into the machines.

However, Intel is also running late on the new Penryn CPUs that will work with the Montevina chipset because their fabs are behind schedule. So even if Apple can get the chips they need to build the systemboards they may not be able to get the new CPUs, as well.

Intel is likely pushing back to July to ensure that they have the new chipsets and CPUs to go into the new systemboards being built. As such, Apple may wait as well and just roll out the MPB and MB in late August/early September to catch the "Back to School" schedule.

Alas, I can't wait that long, so I am typing this on my new 15" MBP. :cool:
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Man all the information looks familiar...hmmm..:rolleyes:

Btw, where did you hear intel is running late on the new Penryns? And where did you hear their fabs were behind schedule? Pull that outta your butt? Cause the only thing thats on time are the chips, they've been sampling since April..
 
tenks said:
Btw, where did you hear intel is running late on the new Penryns? And where did you hear their fabs were behind schedule? Pull that outta your butt? Cause the only thing thats on time are the chips, they've been sampling since April..
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Sampling... Not in full production.

As to my information, it comes from Intel itself as well as Intel's customers.

The only full-scale 45nm fabrication facility Intel has is Fab 35 in Chandler, Arizona. They also have a small R&D fab in Hillsboro, Oregon, which is where these new chips are being "sampled". But that plant's output is a pittance.

Fab 28 in Kiryat Gat, Israel was supposed to be online by now, but in February Intel announced that it would not open until the second half of this year. They may get it up on the 29th, which would still meet the H1 goal, but as of a month ago, the VP in charge of Intel's operations in Israel wasn't sounding too hopeful. Also later this year, Fab 11X in Rio Rancho, New Mexico will complete conversion to 45nm.

Per the President of Intel, Intel's initial focus with 45nm production was server/workstation chips (the Xeon 54xx/52xx). Once those lines were covered, they moved to the desktop chips (Q9xxx/E8xxx/E7xxx). They are now working on the mobile chips (T9xxx/T8xxx), but with only one full fab to build seven different lines, that is affecting how quickly they can get them to market. And then there is the new Atom chip that Intel needs to push out, but it sounds like that production is limited to Hillsboro since ASUS noted they were experiencing severe constraints on deliveries of the dual-core product through Q3 and have been told by Intel they won't see the quad-core until Q4 (which is when all three fabs will be at full-production).
 
Tunez said:
Maybe i am completely wrong but i remember reading an article on the imacs using a form of the montevina platform. If this is true then would the MBPs not be able to ship with the new platform pretty soon/ now?
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When the latest refresh launched, the new FSB and memory speeds were the same as would be coming with Montevina, so I for one mistakenly assumed that the iMac was now on Montevina.

However, Intel soon announced that they had created an improved form of the existing Santa Rosa motherboards and Penryn processors to support higher FSBs and memory speeds.
 
Admonitor said:
If all these companies have Montevina Laptops ready, would that suggest that Apple perhaps have something up their sleeve for demonstration soon. Obviously not for selling, because of the delays.
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It's one thing to have a unit or two on hand at a trade show for demo purposes. Call those folks up and ask for a shipment of 10,000 for delivery next week and the answer is likely a "no". :D

If Apple has indeed moved to a new form factor for the MBP and all that it is waiting for are components, Apple might show it off at WWDC - preferably followed by a price cut on the current stock (since I am three days into owning my new MBP and would keep it if it's $250 or more cheaper then the new units).
 
The suspense is killing me, I've been waiting months for a new MBP and the rumors that its going to be delayed makes me think that I should have bought it months ago.

I really hope they announce it on monday cause I'm marching into an apple store regardless, I can't wait any longer.
 
btw why do all think mb and mbp get an update at the same time?
any evidence for that? i hope we will see a new mbp in the next 3weeks
 
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