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Intel Demos 45nm Penryn Processors, Due by end of 2007

Great News But I Won't Wait 'Til Next Year

While I look forward to this series of processors inside a future Mac Pro, this news won't keep me from buying the Dual Clovertown Mac Pro as soon as it ships this Spring with Leopard.
 
mothergoose45 said:
With a smaller chip and less heat the Imac just might get a Desktop Processor, and with less heat with the Penryn it might just lose it's chin somewhat.
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The chin isn't due to the CPU, it is due to the power supply which won't fit behind the screen. At least to my understanding and the pics I've seen of the inside of a 24" iMac.
 
Chundles said:
My money's on an updated MacBook/MacBook Pro/iMac in April with the Santa Rosa platform (no new processors but loads of improved other stuff), the Mac minis will get Napa-based Core 2 Duos around then and Leopard will be released with an all-64bit Mac lineup.

Then at the end of the year we'll see Penryn-based processors go into the Macs one at a time.
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My hopes exactly. :D
 
breakfastcrew said:
12 hr battery life on a macbook would be nice.
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That's what I want from a laptop also. Even my G4 word processes, web browses and even plays WoW fast enough for me when I'm on the road or just hanging out at a coffee shop, but it would be nice never to have to worry about plugging it in after only an hour or two. There's no power saver mode that's going to make my laptop run longer than that playing WoW.
 
RedTomato said:
From the Anand article:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2915&p=3

(Photo of chip engineers toasting each other.)



Eh? Most places cider is defintely a highly alcoholic drink. I'm from Cornwall in the UK and our cider gets you blind drunk in about 45 seconds. No wonder the intel team look so pleased in the photo - they've definitely pulled a fast one on the management!
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Sparkling cider in the US is basically apple juice with bubbles. ;)
 
roland.g said:
The chin isn't due to the CPU, it is due to the power supply which won't fit behind the screen. At least to my understanding and the pics I've seen of the inside of a 24" iMac.
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That makes sense. Good thing they didnt have to cram my Xbox 360 power supply in there! That would be a Jay Leno Imac.:)
 
Kuska said:
I'm looking to upgrade - what is the 'improved other stuff' you mentioned likely to be ?
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New stuff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrino#Santa_Rosa_platform said:
Santa Rosa platform (2007)

The code-name Santa Rosa refers to the fourth-generation Centrino platform, scheduled for release in April 2007 with the following features:[1]

* second generation Intel Core 2 processor (code named Merom) that uses Socket P
* 800 MT/s front side bus with Dynamic Front Side Bus Switching to save power during low utilization
* Intel Mobile 965 Express chipset (code named Crestline) with Intel's GMA X3000 graphics technology
* Intel PRO/Wireless 4965AGN IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n mini-PCIe Wi-Fi adapter (code named Kedron)
* NAND flash-memory caching (code-named Robson)
* WWAN Internet access via HSDPA codeveloped with Nokia (code-named Windigo) [1][2]
* EFI, a successor to BIOS
* Intel Dynamic Acceleration (IDA), better Windows Vista Aero support [3]

Support for WiMAX (802.16) was originally scheduled for inclusion in Santa Rosa but has now been dropped and will come in 2008 as part of Montevina [4].

The Santa Rosa platform will be branded as "Centrino Pro".[5]
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upgrade

all i no is that i am running a Compaq v2000 with windows xp, and apple better hurry up and release leapord before i throw this POS out the window.:apple:
 
brianus said:
This is what I'm wondering; will there be any increase in cores with Penryn, or will we have to wait till 2008/09 and Core 3 before that happens?
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I still have my doubts though. I believe we'll be much more lucky to see a desktop quad core with a more manageable TDP (65-80 watts).
 
timing of chip to Mac line

Chundles said:
Then at the end of the year we'll see Penryn-based processors go into the Macs one at a time.
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End of year may be too optimistic based on manufacturing availability. So let's say first quarter but in which order will the machines get the new chips?

I'm wondering how they will roll'em out.
 
Multimedia said:
While I look forward to this series of processors inside a future Mac Pro, this news won't keep me from buying the Dual Clovertown Mac Pro as soon as it ships this Spring with Leopard.
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It's not going to stop me either MM but I sure wish Apple would hurry up and release the Dual Clovertown Mac Pro. If Apple delays the release until Summer, and the 45nm is looking like it is on target for MW2008.

It is going to make the Clovertown purchase less attractive.
 
The waiting game that I'm playing with getting a new Mac is killing me!:eek:

I told myself that I would be waiting until 10.5 was released to get a new Mac. However, with release of this news, I might now have to wait until 2008???:mad:

I really need a new computer now because my workflow is extremely slow on my aging (actually, only going on its second year) Mac.

This is one reason why I hate technology. The moment you get something new, it's old.
 
Anyone know anything about what SSE4 brings to the table? Is it something that Apple would be looking for to speed up Core Image or Core Audio?

Other than that, this sounds like a simple drop-in, and by early 2008 we should see these in some systems.
 
iMikeT said:
The waiting game that I'm playing with getting a new Mac is killing me!:eek:

I told myself that I would be waiting until 10.5 was released to get a new Mac. However, with release of this news, I might now have to wait until 2008???:mad:
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and in 2008 news of the next greatest chip will be discussed.

iMikeT said:
I really need a new computer now because my workflow is extremely slow on my aging (actually, only going on its second year) Mac.

This is one reason why I hate technology. The moment you get something new, it's old.
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Precisely! So get over it. Buy when you need.
 
Oh god. . .

I've wanted a Mac since the intel chips were introduced. And I just saved up enough for the Macbook pro that I've wanted, but after hearing all the recent news of LCDs, speed bump, flash booting, longer battery life, Leopard, iLife 07' and Logic 8 I decided to wait. But now this is making me think about waiting till 08' which is crazy cause we are still in January 07! That's a whole year! Even if we all waited until 08' for the new chips we'll be hearing about greater technology and speed bumps and upgrades. It never ends. . . not even for a couple months.:mad:
 
Abstract said:
I don't care about the power savings because I don't think it's significant, but faster is better.
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Then you don't understand electronics very well. Less power means longer run times, smaller package, less heat, smaller machines (thinner macbook). It also means you can fit more cores or logic in a single die i.e. faster.
 
I love seeing people realize that technology always changes for the first time. Have these people not been alive for the last 10 years? What is WRONG with you all? Especially iMikeT. Come ON, MAN!

Look, technology will ALWAYS GET BETTER. That's just the WAY IT IS. If you sit here and wait for the Next Big Thing™, you will never buy anything, because there is ALWAYS something new around the corner. That doesn't make what's out now BAD, especially if what's out now is better than what you have! Buy when you need it, and to iMikeT it sounds like you need it.

God, I can't wait for the inevitable flood of "OMG SHOULD I WAIT FOR PENRYN" threads that will inevitably start spawning come WWDC time.

Penryn = the new PowerBook G5. You heard it here first.
 
dernhelm said:
Anyone know anything about what SSE4 brings to the table? Is it something that Apple would be looking for to speed up Core Image or Core Audio?

Other than that, this sounds like a simple drop-in, and by early 2008 we should see these in some systems.
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SSE4 is a "break with tradition" for Intel, in that it's not a bunch of pure multimedia extensions, so in theory they could speed up a lot of software.

The extensions offer a variety of common relatively processor-intensive operations as single instructions, including stuff such as hardware CRC32 calculation, and rounding of numbers to the spec of various high level languages (Java, C99, etc.). There's also some improved register transfer stuff, advanced string compare and some arithmetic instructions. There's probably more I've forgotten.

I've read various places that Penryn will have an incomplete SSE4 implementation i.e. not all instructions will be implemented. Whether this means that what has been released publically is only what will be implemented in Penryn, or whether Penryn will only have a subset of that, I don't know. I've not seen it commented on anywhere that I can remember.

Of course, the clockspeed bump from the shrink and the 50% larger L2 cache will likely show much greater gains across the board for speed... :)
 
Tadros86 said:
I've wanted a Mac since the intel chips were introduced. And I just saved up enough for the Macbook pro that I've wanted, but after hearing all the recent news of LCDs, speed bump, flash booting, longer battery life, Leopard, iLife 07' and Logic 8 I decided to wait. But now this is making me think about waiting till 08' which is crazy cause we are still in January 07! That's a whole year! Even if we all waited until 08' for the new chips we'll be hearing about greater technology and speed bumps and upgrades. It never ends. . . not even for a couple months.:mad:
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So buy a used or refurb macbook or pro to get you through the year and sell it when the new stuff comes out.
 
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