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How much did AT&T pay for directv? How much did HP pay for Autonomy? You think corporations never overspend on aquisitions?
Let's just say ARM becomes the new norm. What's stopping Intel from getting a design/license from ARM to make their own chips? Forget about Apple Silicon, that's staying solely with Apple. All this discussion about Intel eventually going to die off but you're going to have to replace one architecture with another and you need a company or multiple companies to supply the demand of the rest of the market that isn't captured by Apple which is a lot.
I don't know much so maybe the answer isn't so simple.
I don't know much so maybe the answer isn't so simple.
Well, I think to most of us Mac users the mac experience was more important than having the fastest machine.
Not that we didn't want a faster machine but intel kept us at the same level for a number of years.
I have the m1 MacBook air and its the best deal ever for a mac. And for the money better than say the dell Xps line.
It is going to be interesting to see where this goes but for many of us we're already there!
Most businesses do not run “business applications“ beyond office and web apps. Expanding the circle outward, you have businesses running POS stuff, SAP, etc. There is a very small handful of apps, all of which can be ported to Arm.
The number of companies running “custom” software is very small, indeed.
I thought people were able to run windows on these new machines?
Not everyone wants windows same for not every window users wants Apple OS.
Sure any extensive work probably not. But running logic pro or editing video from the couch,
these machines are very capable..
They have a license. They used to sell Arm processors (remember StrongARM, which they acquired from DEC?)
The problems, of course, with your suggestion:
1) so what’s their value added? Why would people buy an Intel Arm processor instead of a nVidia one (presumably which will trounce Intel in graphics) or a Qualcomm one? (Which will come will all sorts of radio functionality)
2) Intel’s business model is selling commodity chips to customers. It doesn’t customize them for the needs of each customer. So how does an Intel chip meant for “everyone” compete with Apple chips, which are customized for Apple’s needs? Doesn’t that mean that, over time, superior Apple machines will encroach into the “rest of the market?”
3) Intel’s fabs have been bad for years. Their entire reason for existence in the past was the wintel alliance and their superior fabs. With the wintel alliance broken, and their fabs a mess, what’s their reason for existence? To design chips to be fabbed on TSMC? But there are many companies that are more efficient at and better at designing chips. So if everyone is using TSMC, Why would anyone buy intel’s inferior designs?
Intel would have to port over their entire x86 codebase to ARM. Because they're so beholden to backwards compatibility (a burden Apple eliminated with Catalina in 2019), it would be significantly more complex a project for Intel. I honestly doubt Intel would suddenly pull support for 32-bit and older applications in order to make the switch from x86. Intel would also have to work with Microsoft, HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc. on those designs and implementation plans, which would further delay the conversion process. Intel also still gets royalties from AMD for their use of x86 (although most of that is offset by Intel's royalties paid to AMD for the use of AMD64/x64), so the potential for revenue loss would have to be factored in. The other consideration would be the lead time needed to design new chips for the ARM architecture.
That's something Intel would have to figure out but in any case, whether or not someone would buy an Intel chip would be at their own discretion and this segment would truly be open to and with competition. I honestly don't know to what extent an ARM can be further improved in terms of design and the SoC part of it all.
Yeah, if this is the direction of their new CEO, I worry about them not focusing on the right things. They’re not focusing on where the puck is going to be, they’re not focusing on where the puck is, they’re somewhere in a soccer stadium wearing an American football uniform, trying to make par by sinking a free throw using a shot put... while still wearing ice skates.
With the M1, heat is virtually non-existent, even when running all-out and transcoding video. While you may not view working with the machine in your lap as a "productive way to work", other people will feel differently and use their machines differently as a result. I often will have my Mac in my lap when working on short videos, but I will leave it on the desk when transcoding longer videos.
The M1 has a proven performance advantage over similar Intel processors. All Intel has is a carefully crafted strawman fallacy built out of questionable methodologies using benchmarks specifically designed for Intel processors (which would therefore also place AMD at a disadvantage). My guess is that you've never touched a Mac, let alone actually used one. Which Intel office do you intern at, anyways?
I dislike intel and for a long time, they have stifled progress. BUT... I have a Mac Mini M1 with 16gb ram and it is without doubt the buggiest computer I have ever owned. 11.1 and the monitor worked fine. 11.2 and now it won’t wake. I’ve had 3 kernel panics this week alone. Had a big beachball event about 10 mins ago and in the end I had to turn the mini off and back on again. 11.2 was supposed to have solved the Bluetooth issue. Why is it that for the first few minutes, my AirPods Pro just crackle in and out. After a few mins they work fine. I’ve had my Bluetooth mouse lose connection at least a dozen times this week. My internet is set to 5ghz so it can’t be a clash between the broadband and Bluetooth. Yes they are fast and yes they are probably the future but they aren’t the “perfection in motion” as everybody claims they are. I am seriously considering returning it and buying an intel. Apple needs to listen to that. If the m1 was perfect in every way then the daw plugins that I use, that aren’t supported wouldn’t be such a bitter pill to swallow but it’s far from perfect.
I wasn't arguing about capability, I was just saying it doesn't make sense to run tasking programs while on your lap that make computer get hot.
Lol @ 10hr battery life on the M1 air. They probably just reinstalled from a backup and had spotlight indexing going on. I have an M1 air and I get 10 hours easily doing *heavy* tasks, like Xcode compilation, running Figma with 50+ screens on an artboard, slack, and web browsing at the same time. Watching Netflix is 15 hours easy.
ARM Windows which is not even officially released as you can't buy license for it. This again has the same issue: the legacy Windows applications were not designed for ARM but intel instruction set.
Lol, yess — this. It’s all about the reframing! That would’ve been a more measured PR approach, maybe more rhetoric about R&D and exciting things to come.
I think Microsoft is going heavy into the services and cloud segments so that, at some point, they can make a break and not worry as much about “What OS a user is using”. It will hurt when they modernize their OS, but there’s even less likelihood of a spunky uprising from Linux (or any other OS) now that would eat away at their maketshare.
BUT, for companies already steeped in Dell world, if they make a decision to source their next corporate standard laptop as an ARM system, that would be a pretty big hit to Intel.
Mainly because the presentation infers that Intel fears the same thing. I mean, would expect that, at LEAST, to took REALLY good, they would have done a comparison against their actual potential competition Qualcomm. They would look a LOT better against them and those are the chips that the majority of folks looking at Windows on ARM are likely interested in.
They were not “designed for” ANY particular instruction set. Windows used to run on PowerPC, alpha, etc. The words you are thinking of is “compiled for,” and that’s VERY different than “designed for.”
Mine never reached 100 C ( TG-Pro running) - but because of the hdmi failure I can not use it in day to day work.
But thats not the point of this discussion - compared to the 11 Gen Intel the performance level of the M1 is not that superior and the Intel offers some advantages. If this is the better package to buy depends on the user.
I hope Apple is offering much more stable Macbook Pro's with at least 4 Thunderbolt ports to be able to use it for work.
The Mini M1 is not bad and parallels is working even running dragon naturally speacking, but without a stable running monitor this is nothing worth.