NOOOOooooooo!
I'll go buy a Sager or Asus if this is the only iBook option Apple offers.
joshuawaire said:
I'll go buy a Sager or Asus if this is the only iBook option Apple offers.
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Intel iBook at MWSF (January) 2006?
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generik
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I doubt there will be a dual core iBook, if ever.
Apple is a master of market segmentation, if they are even ghey enough to restrict the iBook to 133Mhz system bus and the PBs to use the "woah, way faster!" 167Mhz bus, no way in hell will they offer a dual core consumer option.
Apple takes money by the trough and delivers through a straw, enough said.
Apple is a master of market segmentation, if they are even ghey enough to restrict the iBook to 133Mhz system bus and the PBs to use the "woah, way faster!" 167Mhz bus, no way in hell will they offer a dual core consumer option.
Apple takes money by the trough and delivers through a straw, enough said.
Single Core Yonah
Actually, no. Another MR poster provided a link to this article (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27770) which states that Single Core Yonahs will be available at 1.66GHz beginning Jan 1.
kenaustus said:
Actually, no. Another MR poster provided a link to this article (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27770) which states that Single Core Yonahs will be available at 1.66GHz beginning Jan 1.
You need to learn how to read literature
Before you begin a biblical exposition, you should sharpen your literary skills.
Isa 11:12 says (NIV): "He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
The passage is not making a scientific claim in this passage nor even stating a scientific fact. The passage is a prophecy concerning the regathering of the nation of Israel. The number four is symbolic throughout Scripture, often referring to completeness and wholeness. "The four quarters of the earth" encompasses the whole earth; it does not connote the earth's geometric shape. Thus the passage refers to the regathering of the houses of Israel and Judah from across "the entire (= the whole of) earth. It is simply an Hebraic idiom. The fulfilment of this prophecy, however, is an hermeneutical issue for you to decide.
Your ignorant comment about those who believe this "tawdry tome" deserves no comment.
Photorun said:
Before you begin a biblical exposition, you should sharpen your literary skills.
Isa 11:12 says (NIV): "He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
The passage is not making a scientific claim in this passage nor even stating a scientific fact. The passage is a prophecy concerning the regathering of the nation of Israel. The number four is symbolic throughout Scripture, often referring to completeness and wholeness. "The four quarters of the earth" encompasses the whole earth; it does not connote the earth's geometric shape. Thus the passage refers to the regathering of the houses of Israel and Judah from across "the entire (= the whole of) earth. It is simply an Hebraic idiom. The fulfilment of this prophecy, however, is an hermeneutical issue for you to decide.
Your ignorant comment about those who believe this "tawdry tome" deserves no comment.
Astronomical or Theological?
The question that needs to be answered with regard to the Psalter and astronomy is whether the Psalms are reflecting a theological tradition of placing mankind in the center of God's creation for theological purposes or whether it is attempting to reflect a scientific worldview.
The Old Testament rites are cultural rituals which reflect religious values (you can't really separate culture from religion as if they are mutually independent of each other). Whether they are still in force depends, for Jews, upon whether the Messiah has fulfilled the Law and established a New Covenant which has eliminated the need for such rituals. For Christians, this issue is a non-issue.
PS--Just remember who started this with the "tawdry tome" comment.
Photorun said:
The question that needs to be answered with regard to the Psalter and astronomy is whether the Psalms are reflecting a theological tradition of placing mankind in the center of God's creation for theological purposes or whether it is attempting to reflect a scientific worldview.
The Old Testament rites are cultural rituals which reflect religious values (you can't really separate culture from religion as if they are mutually independent of each other). Whether they are still in force depends, for Jews, upon whether the Messiah has fulfilled the Law and established a New Covenant which has eliminated the need for such rituals. For Christians, this issue is a non-issue.
PS--Just remember who started this with the "tawdry tome" comment.
Question about 4GB RAM
OK, so here's my burning question. If I purchased a Merom based laptop without having 4GiB RAM in the machine, would I lose performance compared to the same machine with a Yonah (assume both have 1GiB minimum, possibly 2GiB RAM)? I ask because the odds of me being able to afford 4GiB of RAM for any laptop is slim in the near future unless memory prices come down quite a bit.
AidenShaw said:
OK, so here's my burning question. If I purchased a Merom based laptop without having 4GiB RAM in the machine, would I lose performance compared to the same machine with a Yonah (assume both have 1GiB minimum, possibly 2GiB RAM)? I ask because the odds of me being able to afford 4GiB of RAM for any laptop is slim in the near future unless memory prices come down quite a bit.
Apple won't have a choice
I expect that by 2007, single-core processors won't even be produced.
generik said:
I expect that by 2007, single-core processors won't even be produced.
Val-kyrie said:
I don't think they need to 'cripple' the iBooks at all, there is no reason. Even if the new iBooks come out with better numbers than the current PBs, that isn't a problem. Everyone is expecting this switch to give better performance, after all if it doesn't then the switch is for nothing. I wouldn't be disappointed or upset if the new iBooks 'outperformed' the current PB offerings, not at all. If anything, I would be enthused and expect even better things for when they switch the PBs over. I think it would be great to see some great kick-ass iBook offerings. All that would prove is that rev.b will be even better, and when the pro line goes over it should hold great things 🙂
Lacero
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I don't think Apple will come out with Intel iBooks, but I do think they will come out with Intel laptops, though.
My guess, Apple is going to drop both the iBook and PowerBook lines or combine them into a single line for both consumers on the low-end and pros on the high-end. They may keep the PowerBook moniker.
My guess, Apple is going to drop both the iBook and PowerBook lines or combine them into a single line for both consumers on the low-end and pros on the high-end. They may keep the PowerBook moniker.
Lacero said:
You're suggesting that there will only be one *Book? 😱
I can't see that, unless it is in Apple's master plan for all of their computational product lines (ie no more 'i' vs' 'power' and just one), but I don't see the iMac going anyway either, because I just can't imagine Apple only offering PowerMacs, especially when the iMac is so unique in delivery and style.
ZorPrime
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generik said:
The 780 Pentium M chips at 2.26Ghz are available on the Sony VAIO FS790 and Dell's XPS M170. It would be nice, if Apple updates the PB line in Jan, to have one of those as an option. Either way, I'll wait for a Rev B or C intel book before getting a second Mac laptop. I recently got a new PB PPC and love it, best of all I can continue playing Marathon. 😀 😱
I had this thought before. However, it's almost a step backward. They should make the powerbook MUCH better than iBook this time, and still keep both.Lacero said:
generik
macrumors 601
epepper9 said:
The trouble is, if these predictions are true I fail to see how an Intel iBook will not totally destroy a G4 based Powerbook (assuming it is not updated as well).
Even the current P-Ms will do very well against a 1.67Ghz, and I dread the day 1-2 months from now when an iBook can outpace my PB at half its price. I don't use any Altivec based apps, and Altivec to me is essentially a nice marketable name associated with a technology that is not very much different from SSE3, so I don't understand why some fanbois are proclaiming how G4s are so "powerful" because of the Altivec SIMD instructions.
Perhaps "Think Different" for them equates to "Getting suckered by marketing"?
Actually if we can put windoze on intel macs, they should change the slogan to "crash different" 😛
ezekielrage_99
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Val-kyrie said:
I've worked in an Information/Intellingence based role before and the best way to 'smoke out a mole' is usually with misinformation, it makes it very easy to track a source 😀
So I totally agree, I think Apple is outing a few bits of misinformation to find any leaks and to keep the competition guessing (and Apple is usually good at doing that, very Musashi/Machiavellian).
After all the most fearful thing for most big organisations is not know what your competition is doing next, if you know they're up to something and you don't know what it's nearly impossible to combat them in anyway.
But for the Intel iBook, Mac Mini, PB question I have listened to so much on the net about this and my money's on Pentium M's in them (consumer gets the single core version pros get the dual core).
You are getting a good mix of Intel Pentium Prestige/Power coupled with the Apple style and features, either way it will be another killer Apple product (I don't know about anyone else but I'm saving my cash for one)😀
revjay
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Well said! Also, let us not forget that not all of the popular power apps. will be ready for the intel switch at the top of '06. Intel iBooks introduced before powerbooks makes sense from a number of perspectives.efoto said:
If indeed the future iBook out preformed the current powerbook (Jan), Apple would need to be prepared for a devistating drop in the aluminum 'books sales...(discounts anyone???).
I imagine (speculate) that if early in '06 the iBooks go intel and outperform the P.B's...that the iBooks would outsell them at a factor more significant than the drop in sales that the P.B.'s would experience.
revjay said:
Precisely. Not even getting into the sales aspect of it, just talking performance, I don't see a single negative to having the new Intel powered iBook outperform the current G4 PBook offerings. That would be a 'so there' comment on Apple's part, justifying their switch. If the new iBooks don't outperform the current PBooks, I will be quite disappointed and wonder if Apple made a smart switch.
Even if the numbers lean to the new Intel based iBooks, the current lineup of PBooks will still be 'the best' for PPC based apps that some people need to use. The G4 will not be obsolete until every app by every maker is universal binary. At that point it will be a matter of which chips can round out the best system, which Apple is telling us Intel can do better than IBM/Freescale/PPC maker.
Has anybody suggested that they may release Intels, but also keep PowerPC offerings? They would have two lines of each product, then. So if you don't want Intel because "nothing runs on it", get the PowerPC one. If you want the Intel, get it.
I don't think it would be too confusing. (Didn't they do something similar with the PowerMac when it stopped being able to boot into OS 9? They kept offering one that could, but it was placed down a bit on the store webpage.)
I don't think it would be too confusing. (Didn't they do something similar with the PowerMac when it stopped being able to boot into OS 9? They kept offering one that could, but it was placed down a bit on the store webpage.)