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thestaton said:
people calm down. he's already stated its running 30c under normal operating conditions & 50c when being put under a load. i'm sorry but the very mild at most power consumption differences is not going to mean anything. if something this small bothers you I'll go hug a tree for you before it gets cut down.


Meh, hummer driver? :)

As I say my interest was more in seeing the chip functioning correctly and maybe seeing if there is indeed a consumption reduction. I'm interested for laptop reasons.
 
thestaton said:
I'm curious to know as well how it mated up to the mobo, and if the stock heat sink was used. can't wait to this mod myself, any idea how much these processors are going to run?
All I did was take out the old and put in the new. Nothing else changed.

The prices for Merom in 1000 piece lots are:
T7200 - 2.00GHz - $294
T7400 - 2.16GHz - $423
T7600 - 2.33GHz - $600+
 
Chasealicious said:
how about a screen shot of the "about this mac" window and apple system profiler?
ss1.jpg
 
yellow said:
Cool beans.

How about a GeekBench test?
Code:
Geekbench 2006 (build 190).  Email geekbench@geekpatrol.ca with feedback.

System Information
  Geekbench Version:         Geekbench 2006 (build 190)
  Geekbench Platform:        Mac OS X x86
  Geekbench Compiler:        GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5341)
  OS:                        Mac OS X 10.4.7 (Build 8J2135)
  Model:                     iMac (Early 2006)
  Motherboard:               iMac4,1
  Processor:                 Genuine Intel(R) CPU                  @ 2.16GHz
  Processor ID:              GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 4
  Logical Processor Count:   2
  Physical Processor Count:  2
  Processor Frequency:       2170 MHz
  Bus Frequency:             664 MHz
  Memory:                    2048 MB

Integer Performance
  Emulate 6502
    single-threaded scalar   135.2 (rate: 1.0, result: 255.7 MHz)
    multi-threaded scalar    266.8 (rate: 2.0, result: 504.1 MHz)
  Blowfish
    single-threaded scalar   189.5 (rate: 1.0, result: 78.2 MB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    377.6 (rate: 2.0, result: 155.8 MB/sec)
  bzip2 Compress
    single-threaded scalar   181.0 (rate: 1.0, result: 28.2 MB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    358.3 (rate: 2.0, result: 55.6 MB/sec)
  bzip2 Decompress
    single-threaded scalar   230.1 (rate: 1.0, result: 85.6 MB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    470.1 (rate: 2.0, result: 169.3 MB/sec)

Floating Point Performance
  Mandelbrot
    single-threaded scalar   146.5 (rate: 1.0, result: 1.0 Gflops)
    multi-threaded scalar    292.0 (rate: 2.0, result: 2.1 Gflops)
  Dot Product
    single-threaded scalar   294.2 (rate: 1.0, result: 468.1 Mflops)
    multi-threaded scalar    550.9 (rate: 1.9, result: 908.3 Mflops)
    single-threaded vector   122.3 (rate: 3.7, result: 1.7 Gflops)
    multi-threaded vector    234.7 (rate: 7.2, result: 3.4 Gflops)
  JPEG Compress
    single-threaded scalar   131.2 (rate: 1.0, result: 12.2 Mpixels/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    262.8 (rate: 2.0, result: 24.3 Mpixels/sec)
  JPEG Decompress
    single-threaded scalar   122.9 (rate: 1.0, result: 20.4 Mpixels/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    240.7 (rate: 2.0, result: 39.9 Mpixels/sec)

Memory Performance
  Read Sequential
    single-threaded scalar   327.9 (rate: 1.0, result: 4.1 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    284.5 (rate: 0.4, result: 1.7 GB/sec)
  Write Sequential
    single-threaded scalar   450.2 (rate: 1.0, result: 3.4 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    273.4 (rate: 0.3, result: 1.0 GB/sec)
  Stdlib Allocate
    single-threaded scalar   224.4 (rate: 1.0, result: 7.9 Mallocs/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    104.8 (rate: 0.5, result: 3.7 Mallocs/sec)
  Stdlib Write
    single-threaded scalar   119.0 (rate: 1.0, result: 3.0 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    136.1 (rate: 1.1, result: 3.2 GB/sec)
  Stdlib Copy
    single-threaded scalar   251.4 (rate: 1.0, result: 2.7 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    294.3 (rate: 1.1, result: 3.0 GB/sec)

Stream Performance
  Stream Copy
    single-threaded scalar   161.5 (rate: 1.0, result: 2.0 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    173.5 (rate: 1.1, result: 2.2 GB/sec)
    single-threaded vector   157.1 (rate: 1.1, result: 2.1 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded vector    160.0 (rate: 1.1, result: 2.2 GB/sec)
  Stream Scale
    single-threaded scalar   185.0 (rate: 1.0, result: 2.2 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    184.6 (rate: 1.0, result: 2.2 GB/sec)
    single-threaded vector   156.7 (rate: 1.0, result: 2.1 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded vector    159.6 (rate: 1.0, result: 2.2 GB/sec)
  Stream Add
    single-threaded scalar   162.5 (rate: 1.0, result: 2.1 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    191.5 (rate: 1.2, result: 2.6 GB/sec)
    single-threaded vector   167.8 (rate: 1.1, result: 2.3 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded vector    182.4 (rate: 1.2, result: 2.6 GB/sec)
  Stream Triad
    single-threaded scalar   160.8 (rate: 1.0, result: 2.1 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded scalar    191.3 (rate: 1.2, result: 2.6 GB/sec)
    single-threaded vector   135.9 (rate: 1.1, result: 2.3 GB/sec)
    multi-threaded vector    146.4 (rate: 1.2, result: 2.6 GB/sec)

Overall Score:   221.6

FWIW, someone else ran the test on their 2.0GHz iMac just before me and got 189.5 overall.

Edit: In BootCamp, my Merom iMac scored 268.2
 
Nice job man! I bet she flies like the....like the........really fast!:D

How long do you have the Eng. Sample for? Or do you get to keep it!?
 
bradc said:
Nice job man! I bet she flies like the....like the........really fast!:D

How long do you have the Eng. Sample for? Or do you get to keep it!?
I get to keep it.
 
topgunn said:

From the screenshot we can see the following:

1. The operating system doesn't recognise the exact type of the chip. It recognises that it is an unknown kind of Intel chip (just wondering how many different types of existing Intel chips the system would recognise, since all Macs built so far used Core Solo, Core Duo or P4 (old development samples)).

2. The operating system apparently doesn't know how to find out the size of the L2 cache. Shouldn't be a problem; L2 cache will work whether you know its size or you don't. Might be a small problem for high performance code that adapts itself to the size of the L2 cache.
 
netdog said:
Can a Moderator please moderate this guy?

I think what she/he said was uncalled for, but it was only said once and we should probably let it go... at least, the one person calling troll (fatsoforgotso) seems to be the only trolling going on in the thread.

To the OP, thank you again for providing all of this information. :) It seems essentially consistent with what others are reporting, suggesting that overall this chip may present a modest improvement. (I think it's sad it doesn't really appear to be substantially cooler, but... that's neither here nor there).
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
How about same game benches:D Doom,Quake,Far Cry....... This new Intel stuff is just pretty awesome in my view putting everyone in the dust far far back, AMD,G5,G4,,,,,
The only FPS games I have are Half-Life 2 and UT 2004. HL2 wouldn't really be a good test since it is already GPU bound. UT may work but I have never tried to bench it. Anyone have any tips for doing this?

I did run SuperPi to 1 million digits and it came in under 23 seconds.
 
Scarlet Fever said:
Where do you get SuperPi from? I've searched, and either i cant find it, or i dont know what im looking for.
It is the Windows version. Just google search for it.
 
gnasher729 said:
1. The operating system doesn't recognise the exact type of the chip. It recognises that it is an unknown kind of Intel chip (just wondering how many different types of existing Intel chips the system would recognise, since all Macs built so far used Core Solo, Core Duo or P4 (old development samples)).

That's weird. I've once written a small utility to get some system information for troubleshooting problems reported to us by our users. Among other things, it gets the cpu name.

For the Core Duo, this name contains the model number (T2400 for my iMac). So why wouldn't the Core 2 Duo's name also include the model number?
 
Processor Name

reflex said:
That's weird. I've once written a small utility to get some system information for troubleshooting problems reported to us by our users. Among other things, it gets the cpu name.

For the Core Duo, this name contains the model number (T2400 for my iMac). So why wouldn't the Core 2 Duo's name also include the model number?

Yes, maybe your utility does, but Apple System profiler does not. My system only says "Intel Core Duo" even though it is a T2600. And with an engineering sample (or even a new processor that did not exist publicly when the hardware was made) this is entirely understandable.

I am also curious about the power consumption, i.e. for a MacBook Pro...
 
darthmullet said:
Yes, maybe your utility does, but Apple System profiler does not. My system only says "Intel Core Duo" even though it is a T2600. And with an engineering sample (or even a new processor that did not exist publicly when the hardware was made) this is entirely understandable.

I am also curious about the power consumption, i.e. for a MacBook Pro...
I checked the power consumption with a kill-a-watt and the consumption levels at load, idle and while asleep were identical with the Merom as they were with the Yonah. This is supported by the recent article over at AnandTech comparing the T7600 to the T2700.
 
I was wondering if this was possible, thanks Topgunn.
But from hearing how difficult you found it, I think I won´t ever try this at home;)

Do you think anyone can do this or just the tech savy people?
 
GOOD LORD! That is a nightmare.

I got my kid the 2ghz core 2 duo 17" imac a while back and all he does is surf and play games. He is only 4 yrs old so he doesn't do much. I figured I could do some hardware swapping of his imac with the 1.66ghz mac mini I have seeing as how he doesn't need the power I figured I would grab his superdrive and his cpu and let him have mine. Well after a few hrs of starring at the superdrive in the imac I was finally able to get it out and swap it with my mac mini combo drive but that imac is setup is suicide. Worse than the powermac 8500 which was the most difficult mac to upgrade. I didn't even attempt it. He gets to keep the 2ghz core 2 duo chip by I got that superdrive.

I think I will wait and buy the chip later when the prices come down.
 
Did the design of the iMac change so much between the G5 and the Intel models that you now go in through the front rather than the back?
 
The designed changed between the iMac G5 and the iMac G5 with iSight. I can only think of two reasons why this might have been done. A) Apple didn't want people to easily fool around with the guts of their computers and B) the change was required due to the thinning of the enclosure that happened at the same time as the iMac getting the iSight.
 
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