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I think that corny keyboard will make its way to the macbook pro.


We do need dedictaed keys for spaces etc.

I have a feeling will dissapoint me again 2 years in a row.
 
Steve Jobs' ancient "3GHz promise" is pretty well in perspective now :)

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We do need dedictaed keys for spaces etc.

Those two "unused" keys in the middle of the new F row should be Spaces and Show Desktop. Oh well, I'll use them that way, whether labeled or not :)

(I don't much care about having F keys for instant screen mirroring or keyboard backlight adjustment. Add a Shift or Control or Option to achieve those shortcuts. They're just not something I use constantly.)
 
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Dude, you need a girlfriend :) That's funny
Agreed. :D

Doesn't the iMac use blowers? Or was that only in the G5 design?
It does use blowers. Blowers are much more space saving and efficient than a traditional fan design.

i can almost guarantee we won't see 8-16GB of Ram in 2009 (400-800% increase in a year)

750GB... I doubt we'll see that also... (300% increase in a year)
You mean 200-400% increase for [maximum] RAM and 150% increase for [maximum] HDD. You apparently haven't seen the 500GB 2.5" drive announcement. Although, as usual, they are 12mm and not the 9.5mm. Therefore, it could only be used in the 17" MBP and possibly the 17" PB.

The fans are usually running slow and more quiet than the hard drive so you don't hear them. Do a hardware Test (On the OSX disc) to hear the fans go 100%. When I did that on my Core Duo iMac, it sounded like two hair driers and it scared the hell out of me because it was so loud and I though it was going to lift off like a helicopter.
Correct. Apple's heat control is based on both components and both of those components need to be present to operate properly. There is the hardware TAU ( thermal assist unit ) on the logic board and a core OS process that monitors and controls -- really does all of the work. When booted from the installation disc, that OS process and files do not exist. The TAU isn't able to properly monitor sensors and so it places all blowers / fans into "deafening" mode to prevent possible overheating.
 
If the next revision of the MacBook Pro has a user-upgradeable HD like the MacBook, i'm on it like sh*t to a blanket.
 
Does Motion even see 4 cores right now? I thought it was only dual core aware. I know AE would eat up as much as it could.

Nope Motion does not see even 4 cores. Motion actually relies heavily on the GFX card and RAM, not the processor. AE and most Adobe apps are core aware though, as are the other FCS2 apps.
 
I think that it would be interesting for the Buyer's Guide to ALSO track Intel processor upgrades so that one can track correlations between Apple updates and Intel updates. ;-)

Apple will no doubt continue to do mid-cycle updates with things like hard disk changes, and (sometimes) memory bumps, but the big changes that accompany processor upgrades will obviously track Intel's releases.


Apple has been stretching the updates somewhat I think 180-210 days is going to be more come for iMac updates. That's 6-7 months.

1st. Mac Pro
2nd. MacBook Pro
3rd. iMac
4th. MacBook
 
The 750GB drives are already available on the Apple store and my 2.5 dual G5 has 2 1TB (really about 920GB) drives in it that I replaced older ones with. This is a ~4 year old machine and it is going to be replaced soon. ;-) (Obviously talking desk top, not portable ;-).) Portable 750GB would be great too!

So, it would not surprise me to have a 1TB drive BTO option.

i can almost guarantee we won't see 8-16GB of Ram in 2009 (400-800% increase in a year)

750GB... I doubt we'll see that also... (300% increase in a year)
 
That is great! ;-)
I remember the sales clerk telling my parents the extra 16K RAM card on the "new Apple ][ plus" wasn't really necessary and that for all the applications 48K was more than enough. 64K was overkill. Lol. :D

I remember friends asking me why I was "wasting my money" on a 2400 baud modem when everyone else was only running 300, or 1200 at the most.

I also remember a store clerk maintaining that I was "wasting my money" on adding 32MB of RAM. He claimed it was overkill.

I have no doubt that we will find ways to use all 8 cores. Dish 'em up, Apple!:D
 
"If you look at raw power from Merom to Penryn, the performance gain isn't going to be huge," says Intel spokesperson Connie Brown. "If it's something that relies on SSE4 instruction set, it's in the double digits."

It's in the double digits? Am I the only one who doesn't know what this means?
 
The 750GB drives are already available on the Apple store and my 2.5 dual G5 has 2 1TB (really about 920GB) drives in it that I replaced older ones with. This is a ~4 year old machine and it is going to be replaced soon. ;-)

So, it would not surprise me to have a 1TB drive BTO option.

I think he/she was talking about laptop drives. The biggest we get currently is 320GB spinning at 5400 rpm. 500GB is coming soon but still at 5400 rpm so I don't care. I want that 320+ GB 7200 rpm drive.
 
I assumed it meant the operations that DO benefit (like certain types of video encoding for instance) would improve at least 10%. No?

"If you look at raw power from Merom to Penryn, the performance gain isn't going to be huge," says Intel spokesperson Connie Brown. "If it's something that relies on SSE4 instruction set, it's in the double digits."

It's in the double digits? Am I the only one who doesn't know what this means?
 
My predictions are:
1. New Mac Pros, as stated, they've been needing an update for a while, so that is extremely likely, particularly in light of today's news.
2. Maybe the "thin-book," if so, then Mac Book Pros will be at least Spring. If no thin-book, then I also think that the MB Pros won't be shipping until Feb/March/April with these chips. I don't think they'll be announced before they can be shipped shortly thereafter.
3. iMacs - not until Spring.
4. Apple has also used unannounced Intel product numbers before, so there is always the chance that will happen here.

Apple rarely (if ever) has updated everything at once - and for several reasons (good ones, I think): 1. If supplies are constrained on chips, then they are still selling the 'older' models instead of nothing, 2. If there are problems with chips, motherboards or other components that they find later, everything is not depend it, 3. If there are multiple unknown OS incompatibilities that are only discovered during use, they are dealing with a smaller subset of machines in need of updates.

Regarding shipping this is what Intel says, in part:

Dual core desktop processor-based PCs using these new processors begin shipping this month; quad core-based systems plan to arrive later this quarter.

The company also introduced four Intel Xeon processors for servers and workstations; they are expected to ship this quarter.​
(http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20080107comp.htm?iid=pr1_releasepri_20080107m)

I dont think they'll put off Macbook Pro's til Spring, because they've always refreshed every 6 months, they'll be one of the last companies to still be on Santa Rosa, and College kids need it for the upcomming Semester.
 
am i right in saying that the new macbook pro's if they adopt these new processors will we have quad core macbook pro's? or am i getting confused!
 
Well, I'd hope this is soon enough for an "available January, ships in February" for the MacBook Pro.

I've decided that my last-generation PowerBook, with its single core 1.67GHz processor, is not quite up to what I try to use it for (Photoshop and video-editing), and I maybe shouldn't have bought it and waited a few months instead for the MacBook Pro to bed in. So, it's time to get the best 15" MacBook Pro I can get and hope that Intel don't make too big a leap in processor technology in the next 5 years.
 
Speed perspective - eventually software gets optimized for the processor, so even if it seems like nothing will make use of a quad core now, they will soon. I am of the school that says buy it fast with every bell and whistle you can now and wait until it performs like its slogging through mud to get a new one. My iMac knows mud, time for a Mac Pro and watch the mud fly.:)
 
Okay, I'll be honest, I don't know much about all this microchip stuff. I've taught myself the basics with a lot of help from people posting on this website and Wikipedia's many, many links to Intel microchip sets. I also know little about Apple's updating frequencies and it's screwed me many-a-time in the past (both with iPods and computers).

From what I've read Apple has access to these Penryn processor chips right now. However, these Montevina chips come out in Q2 (so I'm guessing that's May/June or around then).

So, my question is this: IF they were to put these penryn chips in the MBPs (at Macworld or shortly after), what is the chance that they upgrade the MBPs again in the Spring (or whenever Q2 is) with Montevina chips.

To me, that seems like a lot of updates in a short duration of time but I don't really know the frequency of the MBP upgrades other than the average
is 186 days (thank you Buyer's Guide!).

Any opinions, answers, or "just chill out and wait" comments are appreciated.
 
Does Motion even see 4 cores right now? I thought it was only dual core aware. I know AE would eat up as much as it could.

Sure, it can even use networked processor power through Xsan as well. Saw this live when they introduced Final Cut Studio 2.

One were showcasing it on one 8-core Mac Pro, while the other used two 4-core Mac Pro's in tandem.
 
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