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Intel Launches 'World's Fastest Mobile Processor' With 24 Cores

fast my ass-
umption, these intern chips won't do a damn's worth in OUR MacBook M1 and M2s!
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who cares, they can go as fast a price hikes, they wont do us any good!
 
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This has been Intel's game since forever--betting (correctly, unfortunately) that the average consumer equates clock speed to "horsepower" in a faster-is-always-better naivety of the value of a clock cycle. AMD has been doing more per clock cycle than Intel, producing chips that compete on workload not speed, and now Apple is doing similar with power consumption. It's too bad, really...Intel could be doing better, but their marketing wanks appear to be in control.
 
Intel has finally telegraphed they are desperate. After spending two decades avoiding the 5.0 Ghz threshold and claiming that electricity requirements increase substantially over that mark, and with AMD crossing it over a decade ago and then never again, it begs the question of why now?

By the time these chips reach the market, Apple will be at M3 and trudging ahead. Intel will make a course correction when sales don't go as expected, and the same old "Apple dictates market moves" will continue.

It's obviously working for Apple, so Intel and AMD decided to open the can of worms and slap a PDU on a laptop.

Who the hell wants 5 ghz when your battery life is 20 minutes? Desktop chips, only. DOA with laptops.
 
"Intel last year made the same "fastest mobile processor" claims for the Intel Core i9-12900HK, comparing it to the ‌M1 Max‌, but it did get beat by the ‌M1 Ultra‌ that Apple debuted later in the year. "

The M1 Ultra is not a mobile processor though. So why the *but* here?
 
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I think this is the perfect time to announce that I've made the world's strongest parachute! I've attached my innovation below.

I was hoping under Gelsinger that Intel would better understand why they've let ARM take such an enormous foot hold in mobile and, increasingly, in non-CPU bound data center workloads. They clearly have not.

#InspiredByIntel
 

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BipedalOS said:
Honestly, my M1 Pro is fast as hell still. The fact my laptop doesn’t burn my legs is amazing.

For majority of users, I think battery life and thermals are more important as processor speed is already fast for most use cases.
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When my wife first got her M1 Air, nothing that was heavy CPU even warmed it up. But GPU did with CiV. But didn't get to the point of hot.
 
bmustaf said:
I think this is the perfect time to announce that I've made the world's strongest parachute! I've attached my innovation below.

I was hoping under Gelsinger that Intel would better understand why they've let ARM take such an enormous foot hold in mobile and, increasingly, in non-CPU bound data center workloads. They clearly have not.

#InspiredByIntel
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I can see Wile-E Coyote trying to use this and then falling to the ground in a puff of smoke followed by the anvil...
 
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I tried using a laptop with an i9 recently, and even importing some photos to Lightroom made the fans kick up to damn near 100%. It sounded like a jet taking off for the entire time Lightroom was making previews. I imagine these will be even worse.
Needless to say I returned it and happily went back to my M1 Pro.
 
Michael Scrip said:
I'm hoping Framework will offer 13th gen in their modular laptops.

They offered an upgrade from 11th gen to 12th gen... so I'm guessing they will continue with 13th gen.
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The Framework laptop already has worst in class battery life. I can't imagine what they would do with a peak 157 W monster.
 
hovscorpion12 said:
I can’t wait for the MSI Titan 13V with this new CPU/GPU combo.

My workflow mid-2022 completely shifted from MacOS to Windows. Sad, but true.
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Yeah, you'll definitely be putting the work back in workflow with this one! Look at the bright side and think of all the money you'll save on that CrossFit membership just by schlepping this around instead!
 

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Yeah, you'll definitely be putting the work back in workflow with this one! Look at the bright side and think of all the money you'll save on that CrossFit membership just by schlepping this around instead!
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There are at least 4 different types of windows laptop owners.

1.The desktop replacer: Very simple. The desktop replacer doesn’t care about battery and efficiency Plugged in 100% for full power for everything and enjoys it. These owners buy top gaming PCs or the best of the best workstations.

2. The gamer: similar to the desktop replacer, the gamer doesn’t care about battery as the primary function of the laptop is to be plugged in 99% to 100% of the time. Also compared to desktops, the total efficiency is significantly lower than Windows desktops [ie. an RTX 4090 gaming desktop with Intel i9-13900KH requires a 1000w+ power supply] whereas a gaming laptop is anywhere between 150W and 250W. These owners will still buy top end.

3. The casual: The casual likes to have a balance. Both on battery and plugged in. The primary function of the casual is on the go and on desk in between. The casual will occasionally use battery heavy apps such as 3D and video editing. The casual will manually change performance to boost battery life on the go gaining close to 4+ hours. These owners are the mid to high end owners. 3050Tis to 3070s. Still able to game and get intense work done.

4. The workhorse. The workhorse relays heavy on battery and less on CPU/GPU. These owners are your Chromebook‘s, MacBook Air owners who rely on 8+hours on the go and very casual gamers who don’t need intense CPU+GPU combos.

For me, I’m the desktop replacer.
 
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Honestly I don’t understand the i9’s in laptops. They get so hot and throttle (let alone the batter impact) it seems like it’s just specs chasing that doesn’t live up to real world use.
 
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podycust said:
Intel needs 24 cores to beat AS cpu 😂 it probably sound like a jumbo jet while doing it 😂
either way the x86_64 architecture can't compete with ARM64 on energy efficiency
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You mean Intel's x86. AMD should announce their laptop chips as well and from what we know from their desktop chips they will definitely be competitive with ARM in efficiency.
Ryzen 9 7950X at 65 W is 61% more efficient than previous generation(with the same single thread performance) and at least 258% more efficient in Cinebench multicore than Intel's top 12 gen CPU.
Intel's main problem is the manufacturing node, the efficiency of their chips should skyrocket once they use a competitive node in terms of performance/efficiency.
 
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Specifically, can Apple compete in terms of single-core performance?
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I’m talking about desktop performance.

Apple’s processors are powerful for sure no doubt my M1 Max is the best laptop I’ve ever owned.

But remember, back in 2020, apple had all this pomp and circumstance about intel’s lack of performance and the need to bring its own silicon to market within 2 years. Well Over 2 years later, there’s still no mac pro… where is it? and the Mac mini and iMac are only using m1 which is now outclassed by x86 on the desktop.

Raptor lake and zen 4 are powerful desktop CPUs. Outclassing m1 ultra. On server, amd has a 96 core Zen 4 Genoa monster available. Sapphire rapids Xeons are coming next week and soon we will have intel arrow lake and zen 5 on the desktop. Can apple keep up with these chips for its Mac Pro? And don’t forget, In server, amd is rumored to have 3nm 256-core monsters coming. Can an apple silicon mac pro keep up ?

In laptop, we have raptor lake mobile, then phoenix point and dragon range, and then meteor lake and strix point are coming. Can apple keep up? M2 has solid single core performance. But raptor lake already outclasses it. And don’t even mention Multicore performance….

With how good the x86 offerings are now and how much more performance is coming, are Mac desktop users who need the extra grunt worse off with apple silicon?
 
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Perfect, so put one of these together with that new fraud-of-a-chip RTX 4090 announced by nVidia together, and we can bake a turkey on the go…
 
falkon-engine said:
I’m talking about desktop performance.

Apple’s processors are powerful for sure no doubt my M1 Max is the best laptop I’ve ever owned.

But remember, back in 2020, apple had all this pomp and circumstance about intel’s lack of performance and the need to bring its own silicon to market within 2 years. Well Over 2 years later, there’s still no mac pro… where is it? and the Mac mini and iMac are only using m1 which is now outclassed by x86 on the desktop.

Raptor lake and zen 4 are powerful desktop CPUs. Outclassing m1 ultra. On server, amd has a 96 core Zen 4 Genoa monster available. Sapphire rapids Xeons are coming next week and soon we will have intel arrow lake and zen 5 on the desktop. Can apple keep up with these chips for its Mac Pro? And don’t forget, In server, amd is rumored to have 3nm 256-core monsters coming. Can an apple silicon mac pro keep up ?

In laptop, we have raptor lake mobile, then phoenix point and dragon range, and then meteor lake and strix point are coming. Can apple keep up? M2 has solid single core performance. But raptor lake already outclasses it. And don’t even mention Multicore performance….

With how good the x86 offerings are now and how much more performance is coming, are Mac desktop users who need the extra grunt worse off with apple silicon?
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I agree.

It's not so dire in the mobile space where Apple just needs to keep single-core performance close to Intel and AMD and multi-core performance "good enough" as long as it keeps an important efficiency lead.

Raptor Lake is hard to beat with its 8P+16E cores which all together are about 16P cores worth of performance. Then Again, Raptor Lake HX is essentially a desktop chip and burns power like one, and while Raptor Lake H is noticeably better it's still not at Apple's M-line level of efficiency.

In desktop, where efficiency is not that important, they'll have a hard time against Core i9 and Ryzen 9 processors, and with every day that passes without a new Mac Pro the question arises whether Apple has any answer anywhere close to the 96 core AMD Epyc.

Perhaps Apple should just stick one or two of those into the Mac Pro and call it a day.

The M1 Ultra is impressive, but Apple's mobile-first approach is clearly visible in the DNA of all of its SoCs. I guess Apple has to come clean soon, one way or the other. The promise of a new Mac Pro is still out there...
 
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