Not necessarily. How do we know they weren't designing the Intel and PPC versions at the same time?tom_s said:Steve Jobs said that Apple started to develop the new (current) iMac the day the older ones were announced (one year before).
Wouldn't that mean that they need about a year for the next iMac, too (not only 3 month)?
ksz said:Their executive team appears to have very good credentials, but so did the Transmeta team. Transmeta's goal was to produce high performance processors at very low wattage. Unfortunately, the Crusoe failed to live up to its performance promises.
I wish PA Semi every success, but it's too early and completely imprudent for a company with Apple's requirements to bank its future on a 2-year old startup.
They only needed to design a new motherboard.ksz said:Not necessarily. How do we know they weren't designing the Intel and PPC versions at the same time?
nagromme said:iMac? That would be weird... but maybe this transition demands some weird choices.
ksz said:Oh no, where to begin??
Accelerate Your Mac said:"What Can Be Translated?
Rosetta is designed to translate currently shipping applications that run on a PowerPC with a G3 processor (emphasis mine) and that are built for Mac OS X. Rosetta does not run the following:
- Applications built for Mac OS 8 or 9
- Code written specifically for AltiVec
- Code that inserts preferences in the System Preferences pane
- Applications that require a G4 or G5 processor
- Applications that depend on one or more kernel extensions
- Kernel extensions
- Bundled Java applications or Java applications with JNI libraries that can't be translated"
Sources familiar with Apple's Intel plans now believe the Mac maker is striving to complete its transition to Intel chips in the by the fall of 2006, several months ahead of schedule.
RobHague said:Bravo 840quadra 😀
Anyway...
What I thought the MacMini was getting updated? Now its the iMac?? Why that means the new version would have the shortest lifespan ever. It's just got DDR2 and PCI-express... all that for all of 3 months? 😕
These rumors are getting daft.
powerbook911 said:That is yours and mine logic that says the value of yours will drop after Intel, but it won't. If you get the Intel one, within a few weeks of release, you'd still be able to get a good amount on ebay. Macs really hold value, even though chip generations, etc.
Overall, I don't find this rumor unbelievable at all. I find it is *very* accurate. Anyone who thought Apple wasn't going to have Intel macs until the very month they said they would be shipping by are not looking at this correctly. Apple wants to surprise and beat competitors.
The Powerbook update this fall was simply to make it more attractive, for those who need a machine now. It added some features and cut the price. Nice.
Appleinsider has been quite accurate lately, and this rumor just makes sense, in my opinion.
I would not expect to use Rosetta for more than a year. Accelerating the swtich to Intel should motivate developers to accelerate their switch as well. Meanwhile, Apple may continue to sell certain PPC-based systems through the end of 2006.840quadra said:Unless this has, or will change by the time the Intel Macintosh systems come out, you are going to have trouble loading, or running applications that are AltiVec dependent.
Granted most are programmed to turn that functionality OFF when using a G3 processor equipped system , they do see decreases in speed. Remember using Rosetta is essentially turning off all things Altivec, thus emulates a G3 not a G4 or G5 with the advantages inhearant.
For Most of us, that defeats the purpose of buying a new machine. This is because many of the speed enhancement features of the software we pay a premium for, are disabled because the system will not support it.
For many of us, Intel is not a viable option until software developers port their software to use Intel's SSE architecture.
Seems reasonable and plausible.Hattig said:They only needed to design a new motherboard.
From what I recall, the new iMac has a quite different interior, and more separate boards instead of a single large motherboard. Maybe all Apple has to do is design a new motherboard of the same size and layout as the current iMac G5's (and with similar system topologies - CPU, Northbridge->Memory, southbridge that isn't too bad). They probably designed the motherboards at the same time, or slightly offset, and are merely waiting for Yonahs.
Sounds like a good way to keep a tight reign on Intel. A potential second supplier is always a good ace card to play at the negotiating table.Hattig said:Apple is having to make this change, they have no alternative. They'll probably reassess what the options are every couple of years of course, so that they can release on whatever is the best processor at the time, be it x86, x86-64 or PowerPC, should it ever make a massive comeback.
ksz said:Sounds like a good way to keep a tight reign on Intel. A potential second supplier is always a good ace card to play at the negotiating table.
ksz said:I would not expect to use Rosetta for more than a year. Accelerating the swtich to Intel should motivate developers to accelerate their switch as well. Meanwhile, Apple may continue to sell certain PPC-based systems through the end of 2006.
The point is not that Rosetta is a viable alternative. It is not. The point is to accelerate the entire shift to Intel, and that means more companies than just Apple.
Natron said:The iMac is their main computer offering. I would also say the PowerBook is their main portable. The two most popular/best selling products they have, I assume. It makes sense.
mac-er said:I don't think this makes any sense, seeing that the iMac was just upgraded.
If I had just bought an iMac and 3 months later they change out the processor..I would be pissed/dissappointed in the least.
Then again, like someone else said, maybe this new iMac is the "Intel form factor", and all they have to do is switch out the motherboard. Maybe it will be a way to say, "Hey, its still a Mac...it doesn't matter what chip is in it."
It makes sense to me that Apple would switch to Intel with its top selling models first. Apple is committed to Intel; switching the iMac and PowerBooks first makes sense for at least these reasons:mac-er said:I don't think this makes any sense, seeing that the iMac was just upgraded.
If I had just bought an iMac and 3 months later they change out the processor..I would be pissed/dissappointed in the least.
Then again, like someone else said, maybe this new iMac is the "Intel form factor", and all they have to do is switch out the motherboard. Maybe it will be a way to say, "Hey, its still a Mac...it doesn't matter what chip is in it."
Bear said:I can see 2 good reasos for Apple to use the same case as the iMac G5 (iSight):
1) Designing new cases and preparing the production lines cost money.
2) Imagine a row of iMacs at MacWorld. Some are Intel based and some are PowerPC based. Walk up to an iMac and play with it - does it really matter which processor it has in it?